Flexible timing or late sittings

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muqawwee123 December 4, 2012, 7:21am 1

The image forwarded by our boss a few weeks ago. There was also an email send by an employee to us containing fatwa against late-sittings.

Whats your opinion, whats the reason behind late sittings? Is it due to flexible work policy, where employees come to office lately and spend hours in office after normal office timings. Can it be avoided b any chance, where it has become norm of the organization?

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makd December 4, 2012, 7:58am 2

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I clicked this thread thinking it the opposite :D

muqawwee123 December 4, 2012, 7:59am 3

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So you are in favour of late sittings?

Kinzz December 4, 2012, 8:41am 4

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Oye tum yahan :D

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 9:18am 5

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Very good question Muqa ..

I have worked late hours because it was the need of the business .. but frankly speaking after all these years of hard work , I feel its useless to put in long working hours .. The labour laws that protect employees from this very vice are seriously in place for a reason. following is why I feel long hours are useless:

they mess up the work-life balance and one feels overworked and tired and easily frustrated with the job.
Long hours occasionally are fine but if made a habit of, they turn you into a workaholic. The strategy should never be work longer .. it should be work lesser but smarter.
The longer hours one works , the more office resources you are using up, eg lights, air con / heating / electricity on the computers , phone bills etc .. in essence you are costing to the office bills ..
if you make a habit of working long hours, bosses start taking it for granted , try leaving the office at normal hours after weeks of working late and you will see eyebrows raised !

So yeah, its just not healthy enough for anyone to kill their life and energy in working long hours !

muqawwee123 December 4, 2012, 10:18am 6

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Very good question Muqa ..

I have worked late hours because it was the need of the business .. but frankly speaking after all these years of hard work , I feel its useless to put in long working hours .. The labour laws that protect employees from this very vice are seriously in place for a reason. following is why I feel long hours are useless:

they mess up the work-life balance and one feels overworked and tired and easily frustrated with the job.

Long hours occasionally are fine but if made a habit of, they turn you into a workaholic. The strategy should never be work longer .. it should be work lesser but smarter.

The longer hours one works , the more office resources you are using up, eg lights, air con / heating / electricity on the computers , phone bills etc .. in essence you are costing to the office bills ..

if you make a habit of working long hours, bosses start taking it for granted , try leaving the office at normal hours after weeks of working late and you will see eyebrows raised !

So yeah, its just not healthy enough for anyone to kill their life and energy in working long hours !

Bosses never get happy, how much effort you put. They are just like bewafa mehbooba, who never appreciates 100 good things you did for her, but taunt you for a single mistake

Kinzz December 4, 2012, 10:21am 7

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^ Acha

CB was there was a thread working in dubai, I don’t know if it was your or someone else’s. Can you help me.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 10:23am 8

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^ This !

That is why its important to always let the business know your worth .. the more the employee gives in easily the more you are prone to getting "used" by the business. Infact if longer working hours are required genuinely for a project, I feel you should put in those hours voluntarily , that hardwork will have much greater impact when you dont make a habit out of it !

I remember , when I had my own consultancy , we had agreed with the consultants to work longer hours on Mondays and Tuesdays .. one of the employees refused plain off .. so I had a little chat with him and he simply asked would you like it if I ask for permission to leave at 3:00 every thursday and friday? I was taken aback .. but he made his point and it was a genuine one. So we shifted back to our original work hours and it was decided that Mondays and Tuesdays consultants will sit longer hours but without any compulsion.

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 10:24am 9

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My previous company, you were supposed to remain in the office till your manager remains and he will remain till his manager remains. There was a time for coming in, but no time for leaving and then you don't get paid for the over time in Pakistan so a win win situation for the company.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 10:24am 10

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yes there was , let me look it up for you ..

Ok, Its called Jobs in dubai .. you can go check now ..

muqawwee123 December 4, 2012, 10:28am 11

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were you working for a DON? aane ka time fix hai jane ka nahin? On a serious note, in most of the companies in Pakistan especially Finance Departments follow this strategy of going after Bosses leave the place

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 10:32am 12

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^ I used to leave when the manager was looking the other way, many times he used to see me sneaking past him one hour after the scheduled close and he’d see his watch and say “aaj tou baRay jaldi ja rahay ho” Another thing since I was the only engineer in that department, I was supposed to answer phone calls 24/7 (365 days a year), remember even that phone and SIM were mine . He used to mind it if some day I didnt pick up the phone at 3 or 4 am. Dont remind me of that period now.

Thats another thing its that experience which has got me the present job.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 10:34am 13

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this is a pure example of exploitation .. unfortunately a country like Pakistan doesnt support Labour Laws , hence why they are suffering so much. I strongly disagree with this approach of "boss hasnt left yet" .. as an ethic, if the boss wants to stay, he can stay , the teams should be able to leave once the office time is up .. and they should be able to leave guilt-free !

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 10:36am 14

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Pakistani seth culture is to take advantage of the employees.

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 10:37am 15

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Exactly Pakistani market works on exploitation.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 10:37am 16

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you know Ali, in the initial years of one’s career, I think most people go through this tough phase of working long hours coz that is how their careers get built up .. I have gone through the same phase and learnt with time ultimately that its worth doing a few initial years but not through out your career..

And its very much down to the employees to set the management’s expectations right , once you accept the crap they give you , you will be doing it for your entire lifetime at that company , without being acknowledged even once !!! so set it right from day one , have that confidence in yourself and that is how management will always see you and believe me it will bring you greater long term rewards ..

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 10:43am 17

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^ In Pakistan, the employers know that the employees dont have many options thats the reason why they exploit people. I know many engineers who are jobless for the past many years. There's no recourse for the employees to take their grievances to. If you work hard, you cant get transferred to other departments as well as you become too important for them.

Which country in the world would force people to work on higher grades (for around 3 years), paying them for a grade lower? Use their own tools and vehicles to rectify faults 24/7 without any monetary support or acknowledgement of the company? No training for the job, as the training will be given to other chaheetas who would be posted on entirely different posts. Mind you it was not only me but my whole batch (of over 200 people) who faced this situation. There's a reason why Pakistan is in the mess it is in.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 11:55am 18

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completely agreed .. but what I really dont understand , Ali, is that , say a company makes its employees work on lower rates after a few years of work , those unhappy employees will move to bigger and better avenues leaving behind empty slots for the company to fill up again ..

in a way that company is actually losing important resources on retraining a new person every time an experienced person leaves .. right? how can they afford doing that on a larger scale?

Ali_Syed December 4, 2012, 12:10pm 19

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^ Actually the organization I am talking of is the biggest telecom operator of Pakistan, thats why maybe they didnt care for the well being of their staff. Most of the experienced people have left the company for other organizations within the country or abroad. The people only left there now, are again whom I believe havent found the opportunities and they are still working on almost the same pay scales on which I was three years back...mind you the inflation has shot up during this period.

Chicken_Biryani December 4, 2012, 12:44pm 20

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hmmm you are right.. a large company as that one , if they do this then I can well imagine what the smaller businesses in the country would be doing when it comes to employee exploitation :hinna: there isnt any way out !