Re: Five major blasts rock Jaipur, 10 killed and 24 injured
Indians continue to live in a fool's paradise and fail to recognize that there are millions, and I mean MILLIONS of disaffected people [some muslims, some assamese, some kashmiris] living among them, people who've been on the receiving end for a long time -- and whose grievances have only not been addressed -- they have not even been ACKNOWLEDGED as being legitimate grievances. Majority Hindus continue to live in a fool's paradise that all's well because they are well. Open your eyes, Indians, and sort the mess that stems from your OWN country. Stop using Pakistan as a scapegoat every time.
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But the real strength of the Islamic jihadi groups responsible for explosions in Indian-administered Kashmir and other Indian states lies not so much in the “foreign hand” but in the proliferation of these “sleeper cells” within India.
Usually a sleeper cell contains no more than three to four militants, armed and trained but asked to lie low until definite orders.
The Intelligence Bureau estimates the number of these jihadi “sleeper cells” as running into a few thousands.
“They have thrived on Muslim alienation in India since the phenomenal rise of the Hindu right in the country in the mid-1980s,” says Pradip Bose of the Calcutta-based Center for Study in Social Sciences (CSSS).
He says it all started with the demolition of the Babri Mosque in Ayodhya in December 1992 and has been fuelled by large-scale violence against Muslims, such as in the Gujarat riots in 2002.
"A riot like Gujarat creates a few thousand potential jihadis seeking revenge, so there’s no use blaming the foreign hand. We in this country have created this problem," says Mr Bose, a distinguished sociologist.
Re: Five major blasts rock Jaipur, 10 killed and 24 injured
Hello posters above,
It is quite easy to see why Pakistanis are involved in the bomb attacks in Jaipur. Jaipur is one of the top tourist destinations and the India haters in Pakistan would very much like to affect the booming tourist industry.
It is incorrect to draw comparison to the bombings in Pakistan because the communal (shia vs sunni) and provincial (Baluchistan FATA) rifts of Pakistan are well known; In addition numerous people resent incidents such as aerial bombing of provinces, allowing US personnel to attack within Pakistan and what happened in Lal Masjid. These are are very credible reasons for the Pakistan bombings to be committed by groups within Pakistan for their own motives.
Now the final point - does proof exist that Pakistani parties are involved? I personally do not think Pakistani government is involved; but there are many groups within Pakistan that are no longer under GOP control.
Re: Five major blasts rock Jaipur, 10 killed and 24 injured
Hello posters above,
It is quite easy to see why Pakistanis are involved in the bomb attacks in Jaipur. Jaipur is one of the top tourist destinations and the India haters in Pakistan would very much like to affect the booming tourist industry.
It is incorrect to draw comparison to the bombings in Pakistan because the communal (shia vs sunni) and provincial (Baluchistan FATA) rifts of Pakistan are well known; In addition numerous people resent incidents such as aerial bombing of provinces, allowing US personnel to attack within Pakistan and what happened in Lal Masjid. These are are very credible reasons for the Pakistan bombings to be committed by groups within Pakistan for their own motives.
Now the final point - does proof exist that Pakistani parties are involved? I personally do not think Pakistani government is involved; but there are many groups within Pakistan that are no longer under GOP control.
Regards
Pundit Vikram
Hello Pandit ji
Please read above what BBC is reporting and i posted.
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Hello posters above,
It is quite easy to see ................................GOP control.
Regards
Pundit Vikram
^Wohi Murghay Ki ek taang.
Dear Mr. Vikram,
your post has so many points with false impressions created in your mind by whatever you read and see.
The fact remains, there are many many more interior issues in India/Bharat enough to have these unfortunate events to occur. Take a reality grip before pointing to others. Just leave Pakistan and its citizens alone. Your obsession with Pakistan is not really appreciated.
And FGS show us remorse for these victims in any of your post...once!
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Unlike the US, it is next to impossible to broing almost total homeland security to the sub-continent. There's no way to 'profile" the terroprists. And becaue of the density of pouplation, they don't have to go far to get a 'rich' target.
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These blasts are work of likes of Advani and thackeray, viz. BJP and RSS- they want to bring bad name to muslims of India. Khud hi kartey hain aur khud hi rotey hain!
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These blasts are work of likes of Advani and thackeray, viz. BJP and RSS- they want to bring bad name to muslims of India. Khud hi kartey hain aur khud hi rotey hain!
just the kind of responses expected from our friends across the border...
guys, take a chill pill.... no one has yet blamed pakistan officially the indications are that it could be the handy work of HUJI
if modi or advani were to be involved in this act of terrorism they would have planted bombs near the muslim majority areas not at the mandirs or busy chowks where the victims are predominantly hindus....
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some one has pointed earlier that proof must be shown before pointing finger at pak... we've done that in the past about DAWOOD IBRAHIM we submitted the warrants and the FIR'S to the authorities in pak...
wat was ur response then??? u simply denied his presence....
even after INTERPOL issued warrants u people simply lied about his presence...
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some one has pointed earlier that proof must be shown before pointing finger at pak... we've done that in the past about DAWOOD IBRAHIM we submitted the warrants and the FIR'S to the authorities in pak...
wat was ur response then??? u simply denied his presence....
even after INTERPOL issued warrants u people simply lied about his presence...
Its because of people like you muslims in India cheer for Pakistan because they are expat Pakistanis living in India until another region of India becomes Pakistan and only muslims live there. Why 90% of Indian muslims celebrate when India gets defeated in cricket matches? A lot of muslims came to Lahore to watch Indo-Pak matches and were cheering for Pak- do you know why? Its because of people like you?
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My deepest condolences to the victims of this heinous act of Terror. I pray and hope the real perpetrators of this crime are brought to justice and dealt with accordingly.
Indian friends: Please don't blame Pakistan. Let the investigation conclude, and when there is enough evidence to support any such claims, then we can talk about that as well. For the time being, we all stand with you in this sad affair because Pakistan too has lost countless number of lives over a period of years so we can surely feel your anger and pain.
Let us all just pray for the victims and i sincerely hope God give patience to the families of the deceased and give them all strength to go through this very tough time. Amen!
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just the kind of responses expected from our friends across the border...
guys, take a chill pill.... no one has yet blamed pakistan officially the indications are that it could be the handy work of HUJI
if modi or advani were to be involved in this act of terrorism they would have planted bombs near the muslim majority areas not at the mandirs or busy chowks where the victims are predominantly hindus....
Your post has not done any good to the situation.
The posters here made completely irrational, irresponsible and premature comments and got what they deserved...a load of full sensible responses.
Your second paragraph was written in a hurry without thinking I recon.
I am not saying who did it but it would have been too obvious if they would have planted near muslim majority areas.
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Hello everybody!
I'd like to comment on some of the posts here.
About expressing condolences, somebody wrote that Indians did not express condolences and instead started blaming Pakistan. True but there are good reasons. We are a bit sick and tired of empty words. Every few months some jihadi group creates such a major problem and for two days may be, it is in the news in India. It seems like everyone is afraid of openly stating what they are thinking. That is why.
About proof - Pakistan more than anyone else, should know that in attacks such as this, even circumstantial evidence is rare. It is not as if the terrorists are going to leave video evidence. In the past, concrete evidence in the form of cell phone calls to Pakistan was provided to GOP. Instead of co-operating in the investigation, Pakistan chose to deny existence of the culprit Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan. Gen.Musharaf actually said at that time to the Americans that we should provide evidence that Dawood Ibrahim was in Pakistan before he will act! How do we do that? Send in UAV's with cameras? That is why we do not trust.
Re: Five major blasts rock Jaipur, 10 killed and 24 injured
Hello everybody!
I'd like to comment on some of the posts here.
About expressing condolences, somebody wrote that Indians did not express condolences and instead started blaming Pakistan. True but there are good reasons. We are a bit sick and tired of empty words. Every few months some jihadi group creates such a major problem and for two days may be, it is in the news in India. It seems like everyone is afraid of openly stating what they are thinking. That is why.
About proof - Pakistan more than anyone else, should know that in attacks such as this, even circumstantial evidence is rare. It is not as if the terrorists are going to leave video evidence. In the past, concrete evidence in the form of cell phone calls to Pakistan was provided to GOP. Instead of co-operating in the investigation, Pakistan chose to deny existence of the culprit Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan. Gen.Musharaf actually said at that time to the Americans that we should provide evidence that Dawood Ibrahim was in Pakistan before he will act! How do we do that? Send in UAV's with cameras? That is why we do not trust.
Regards
Pundit Vikram
The same can be said of Indian intelligence meddling in Pakistan and causing havoc because who would benefit the most from Pakistan being destabilized and its Nuclear arsenal dimantled.
You wanna play conspiracy theories, there are plenty and we can go back and forth another 50 years blaming each other. Pakistanis aren't exactly content with India over internal situation in Pakistan either. Hell, majority of the pakistani public thinks India has a hand in all evil that goes on in Pakistan as well as other outer forces. So, should we start to believe that? You cannot just get away with 'Oh there is never any proof, never will be, but hey lets just blame Pakistan like we always have', that sounds a bit foolish for a country that claims to be the growing star of Asia. :)
PS: You're taking Pakistani hospitality for granted by coming to a Pakistani forum and then blaming indian tragedy on Pakistan. How about a little show of decency and respect. Most of the people here (Pakistani) came to this thread to offer their condolences. You ought to be thankful, because it's easier to say 'Haha! How does it feel now' than to say 'We feel your pain' which is exactly what most people who posted in here did until your pseudo-national rhetoric spiked and spat in everyone's face who was feeling for your country and the tragedy you've just suffered. So just chillax and be a good guest. :)
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Hello Teggy,
There is a key difference between the bombings that occur in Pakistan and what happened in India, based on prior history. In the past we have actually provided proof to GOP when they asked for proof and once that happened, they outright denied that the said terrorist chief was living in Pakistan! Therefore our accusations are a bit more than conspiracy theories.
It is very nice that Pakistani posters come here to offer condolences but it would be even nicer if they can stop defending the wrong policy of GOP in protecting terrorists in the first place. You say I "ought to feel thankful" but I don't feel thankful.
You ask me to be 'be a good guest' - but attach a string that I cannot speak my mind on such a serious issue! That is not something I as a good host will ever demand of my guest.
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Bravo! What a great sensible post.
But the conspiracy theorits and paranoid people will continue to spread hatred. Mr. Vikram just could not tell us ANY proof for this event that Pakistan was involved in anyway.
He is using lack of any photo/video as a reason for Paksitan to be involved!!
He thinks if it was Indian/Bharati homeground terrorist he would have left a photo or video.!!!
Still no remorse in his post.
He seems “happy” that this sad event gave him something hatefull to talk about!!!
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As pointed earlier when the proof was provided in 93 about dawood's involvement in mumbai blasts u guys denied accepting it...
u guys seem to be deny ing every thing and any thing about ur state's involvement with some of the rogue terrorist groups operating freely in afghanistan and kashmir....
the point here is the world has acknowledged the facts but some here are doing nothing but to deny and deny and deny...
i ask the members a simple question... why the passengers carrying pakistani passports are subjected to the SPECIAL TREATMENT by the immigration authorities across the world???
the answer is obvious.....
but then who cares we simply deny and deny....unfortunately no one belives in what u say...
