Fitnah in Najd

Ibn Umar reported the Prophet as saying: “Oh Allah, bless us in our Syria; O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.”
Those present said: “And in our Najd, O Messenger of Allah!”
But he (Muhammad) said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria; O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.”
Those present said, “And in our Najd, O Messenger of Allah!”
Ibn Umar said that he thought that he said on the third occasion: “Earthquakes and fitnah are there, and there shall arise the horn of Satan.” Sahih Bukhari

What does this hadith mean? Some people say “fitnah in Najd” means fitnah of Abdal Wahab, is this true?

I am not sure but some people say its Iraq some say Najd is Saudia.

But the interesting thing is that if the fitanah was Abdal wahab as you pointed....then there should be tremors and earthquakes in saudia as per the Hadith.

So , the hadith itself has proven that the Fitnah was not Wahab

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Earth quake prone areas in muslim world are Iran and eastern turkey. But then again we cannot imply that hadith on any modern country. May be Ayatollah Khomeni is what this hadith points towards........but as i said the hadith is not very clear and it leaves a lot to our imaginations

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Peace Bitter_Reality

The Najd has always been known as the areas in the Arabian Shield which are mountainous. In this region is the highest rates of volcanic activity in the Arabian region and the highest rates of seismic activity caused by the Najd faults. However, these earthquakes are mostly quivers, we hear about low frequency high strength earthquakes but seldom do we hear about high frequency low strength earthquakes. Statistically the Najd region is busy all year round with the quakes. And to make it more wonderous is that this region is not near a plate boundary. Yemen and Syria on the other hand are near plate boundaries but these are clearly blessed … perhaps the blessing arrives as a result of being near the boundaries but nonetheless less likely to be regularly hit by earthquakes yet historically can record stronger quakes … and perhaps the people and their livelihoods less affected by them. Allahu’alim.

Tectonics of the Najd Transcurrent Fault System, Saudi Arabia – Moore 136 (4): 441 – Journal of the Geological Society

http://atlas.geo.cornell.edu/people/brew/Figures/Chapter5/regional.jpg

Saudi Geological Survey

With regards to horn of Shaytan I’m still not convinced of any explanation for this yet.

sis, take a look at these najidi faces (& their aulad) and decide for yourself. I am not posting the images here since CHILDREN may be watching:

www.salafyindonesia.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/bin-baz-si-buta-hati-dan-mata.jpg

http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/al-qaeda-and-the-assassins/missing-link/assassins-rahman.jpg

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/02/09/abu-hamza-al-masri_7333.jpg


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some of their crimes:

-destruction of the Jannatul Baqi. Looting and destruction of Najaf, Karbala, Mohalla Bani Hashim, Baitul Ahzan (house of Fatima Zehra)
-attempt to destroy the tomb of the Prophet (saww)
-anyone who didnt join their gang faced killing, looting and rape as they were declared "kaafir"
-unconditional service to their master Britain and the US, who put them in power as before al-saud were nothing but a decoit tribe well known for their beastly habits.
-oil revenues get reinvested back in the US and British economy. If Al Saud go, may b Las Vegas will get shut down becuase their young prince seem to be the top investors/customers
-spreading tons of propoganda material over the world on the name of Islam
-etcetcetc

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With appologies to the sect they belong too…

Sister please aslo check these fitna Al Faris ( Irani Mullah)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/RwBhZ99Z7rI/AAAAAAAAH1g/_tRD_CKYjsE/s320/mullah%2Bkissing%2Bboy.jpg


http://www.photographerno1.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_DSC_3526.jpg

I have more but I dont want to scare people

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Some of the crimes of the people I posted above

  • Faking Khana Kaba in Najaf ( Made a duplicate in Iran caz they dont like to go to Saudia)

  • Attemp to invade Kabaa during time of Khomeni ( But were severely punished and destroyed by joint commando action of Saudia and Pakistan)

  • Making fake Paintings of Hazrat Hussein Razi Ala Talaaa

  • Unconditional Service to Russia and supporting russian invasion of brother islamic countries.

  • Siding with India during Pakistan India war

  • Sponsoring sectarian in Pakistan

  • Exporting Mullaism in Pakistan

is this what they teach u in imaam bara?

najd is in "faris", lol. good1. Did u learn ur geography from a najidi madrasa too?

And what do they teach you in imaam bara? lol see i can post a lot of insider videos being shot from within your madrasas..but then you won't enjoy it.

go ahead and entertain me with your "inside" videos. Its a easter weekend and i got plenty to share too, but plz try to b original this time.....and dont ruin this thread as its dedicated to the najidis only. We can deal with the faris in other thread

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I am not in matam mood right now....so may be later....CIAO

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u r a smart boy, bye and have a good easter and a long weekend :)

in response of this topic i have right to post a authentic hadith from our beloved prophet pbuh about hz. ali ra.

Ali bin Abu-Talib (r.a.) said: "The Messenger of Allah called me and told me: 'You are alike with Jesus, Jews hated him till they slandered his mother, and Christians loved him till they put him in the position that is not for him.' With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. Verily, I am not a prophet, and there is nothing revealed to me. But I work with the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of his Prophet () as much as I can. So whatever I have asked you in regard of obeying Allah, it is your duty to obey me whether you like it or not." [Ahmad]

Ali (r.a.) said: "With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity." [Nahjul Balagha, sermon 126 about the Kharijites]

In the that time, people who called them selves Muslims were three groups :
1- Kharijites who said that Ali Ra was a disbeliever and they send Ibn Muljim to kill him and he did that.
2- Shia who said that he was infalleble Imam and Allah had chosen him for leading Muslims.
3- Sunnies ( Majority of Muslims ) who said that he was a great companion of the prophet and he was a great leader to Muslims but Muslims had chosen him to be thier leader not make him ra God nauzubillah (as rafidah did).
Who are the people of the middle course & the great majority (of Muslims) as Imam Ali said in his sermon, Read Ali's words and then look to the three groups and you will find the answer!

Hadith of Najd

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  • [1 Text of the hadith](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#Text_of_the_hadith)
  • [2 Views](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#Views) [LIST] - [2.1 Najd is in Iraq view](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#Najd_is_in_Iraq_view)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-0)** [Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 147](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/017.sbt.html#002.017.147)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-1)** [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 214](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/088.sbt.html#009.088.214)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-2)** "O Allah bestow your blessings on our [Medina](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina), and bestow your blessings on our [Mecca](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca), and bestow your blessings on our Sham, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa`inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, "O Messenger of Allah and in our Iraq" and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan." From [Shu'ayb al-Arna'ut](http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shu%27ayb_al-Arna%27ut&action=edit&redlink=1): Sharh as-Sunnah’ (14/206-207 fn. 2)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-3)** O Allah bestow your blessings on our Medina, O Allah bestow your blessings in our measuring, O Allah bestow your blessings in our Sham and our Yemen." A person said, "And Iraq O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "from there arises the horn of Satan and the trials and tribulations would come like mounting waves." From al-Awsat by at-Tabaraanee from Hadith of [Ibn Umar](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Umar) and authenticated by [Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_ibn_Abu_Bakr_al-Haythami) in ‘Mujma az-Zawaa`id’ (3/305)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-4)** [Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6943](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6943)
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-5)** and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction." From [Fath al-Baaree 13/58 in commentary to the hadeeth of Najd]
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-6)** [Fath al-Bari](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fath_al-Bari) 13/58-59
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-7)** [Al Minhaj bi Sharh Sahih Muslim](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Minhaj_bi_Sharh_Sahih_Muslim) 2/29
  • **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-8)** [Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 719](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/046.sbt.html#003.046.719) 1. **^](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd#cite_ref-9)** [Fath al-Bari](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fath_al-Bari) Number 4366

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  • so in light of the above authentic hadith i wonder whats ur opinion about the people who hated Ali Alaihaysalam so much that they came out to wage war on him? u dont even know what u r copying and pasting, do u? how is the above hadith related to the najidis?
    from wht i have seen of u here: first u detrack the topics with ur wild C&P jobs. Then when some1 does bother to respond u say that u want to stick to the original topic in hand! so lets leave the najidi topic being discussed here and u r welcome to open a new thread to prove that your beloved personalities who fought Ali alaihaysalam were far from rightfulness.

    The Hadith of Najd

    by Brother Abû Rumaysah http://www.islaam.net
    The Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said,
    O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from their appears the Horn of Satan.
    Reported in al-Bukhaaree [Book of Trials, Chpt. ‘The afflictions will come from the East’ 9/166 no. 214 Eng. Trans]

    A hadeeth which has some controversy surrounding it due to obvious sectarian reasons. A hadeeth which has been (deliberately) misunderstood by certain groups of people in order that they may spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims.
    This because upon research and investigation and looking to the words of our early scholars we find that this hadeeth does not refer to the Najd that is famously known in Saudi today, but rather it refers to Iraaq.
    About two years ago I read a book entirely devoted to this hadeeth entitled, “an-Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan” * I will quote in general from what I remember from this book, and refrain from mentioning precise quotes except from those references that I have on me.
    Amongst the scholars that are mentioned who referred this hadeeth to Iraaq were: al-Khattaabee, al-Kirmaanee, al-Aynee, an-Nawawee, ibn Hajr and others. The reasons behind this are numerous and clear:
    The Generality of the Hadeeth Pertaining to the Fitna Coming from the East.
    Al-Bukhaaree includes this hadeeth in the chapter: “The affliction will appear from the East

    1. From the father of Saalim: The Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, stood up besides the pulpit (and pointed towards the east) and said: “Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there! From where appears the horn of Satan" or he said, "the horn of the Sun
    2. From ibn Umar that he said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alyahi wa sallam, saying while facing the east: “Indeed Afflictions are there, from where appears the Horn of Satan.
    3. The hadeeth of Najd under discussion.
      Similar hadeeth can be found in Saheeh Muslim (volume 4 no.'s. 6938+). Hadeeth that give the same meaning can be found in Saheeh Muslim (volume 1 no.'s 83+)
      That the Generality of the Early Trials and Tribulations arose from the East, many of them actually in Iraaq itself.
      Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said after quoting the words of al-Khattaabee explaining the meaning of Qarn (horn), “and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction.” [Fath al-Baaree 13/58 in commentary to the hadeeth of Najd]

    Amongst the trials that arose in Iraaq and the east was the martyrdom of Alee, the martyrdom of the grandson of the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, the first battle between the Muslims occurred in Iraaq, and many more.
    Imaam Nawawee mentions that one of the greatest trials to appear from the East will be the appearance of the Dajjaal. [Sharh Saheeh Muslim 2/29]
    From the innovations that appeared in the east and specifically Iraaq, was many of the early deviant sects amongst them the Qadariyyah (as the first hadeeth in Muslim shows), the Jahmiyyah and their offshoots etc…
    That at the time of the Prophet, sallaahu alayhis wa sallaam, there were 13 places known as Najd [according to ‘Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan’] depending on where one was. This because Najd linguistically means a raised/elevated land. Therefore the Arabs referred to lands that were elevated with respect to them as Najd. One of the most commonly referred to areas at that time as Najd was Iraaq.
    The Najd for those people living in Madeenah in the direction of the East would be Iraaq.
    Ibn Hajr said: “al-Khattaabee said: ‘the najd in the direction of the east, and for the one who is in Madeenah then his Najd would be the desert of Iraaq and it’s regions [baadiya al-Iraaq wa Nawaaheehaa] for this is to the east of the People of Madeenah. The basic meaning of Najd is that which is raised/elevated from the earth in contravention to al-Gawr for that is what is lower than it. Tihaamah [the coastal plain along the south-western and southern shores of the Arabian Peninsula] is entirely al-Gawr and Mecca is in Tihaamah.’”

    Ibn Hajr continues, “by this [saying of al-Khattaabee] the weakness of the saying of ad-Daawodee is understood that ‘Najd is in the direction of Iraaq’ [min Naahiya al-Iraaq] for he suggests that Najd is a specific place. This is not the case, rather everything that is elevated with respect to what adjoins it is called Najd and the lower area called Gawr.” [Fath al-Baaree 13/58-59]
    Al-Mubaarakfooree endorses these words in his commentary to Sunan at-Tirmidhee (10/314 no.4212)
    The Hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim [4/1505 no.6943]
    Saalim bin Abdullaah bin Umar said: O people of Iraaq, how strange is it that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins? [The killing of al-Husayn] I heard my father, Abdullaah bin Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, saying while pointing his hand to the east: “Indeed the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another…”

    The Variations in Wording of the Hadeeth of Najd that Leave no Doubt Whatsoever as to what it refers to.
    The hadeeth of ibn Umar Reported by Abu Nu’aym in al-Hilya (6/133), “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa’inaa wa muddinaa).” A person said, " O Messenger of Allaah and in our Iraaq" and so he turned away from him and said, “there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan.

    Shu’ayb al-Arna’ut declares it’s isnaad to be saheeh as in his footnotes to ‘Sharh as-Sunnah’ (14/206-207 fn. 2) and he too endorses the words of al-Khattaabee quoted above.
    The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported in at-Tabaraanee in ‘al-Awsat’ that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam prayed Fajr and then faced the people and said, “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, O Allaah bestow your blessings in our measuring, O Allaah bestow your blessings in our Shaam and our Yemen.” A person said, “And Iraaq O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “from there arises the horn of Satan and the trials and tribulations would come like mounting waves.
    Ibn Hajr al-Haythamee says in his ‘Mujma az-Zawaa’id’ (3/305 - chapter ‘collection of du’aas made for (Madeenah)’): ‘its narrators are trustworthy and precise.’
    [This hadeeth could possibly considered to be the same as b) above, but I have included it separately due to the slight difference in wording. Allaah knows best.]
    The hadeeth of ibn Abbaas reported by at-Tabaraanee in ‘al-Kabeer’ that the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, supplicated and said, “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam and Yemen.” A person from amongst the people said, “O Prophet of Allaah and Iraaq?” He said, “indeed there is the Horn of Satan, and the trials and tribulations will come like mounting waves, and indeed harshness/coarseness is in the east.
    Al-Haythamee says: “it’s narrators are trustworthy and precise.” (ibid.)

    The Virtues of Bani Tameem
    Bani Tameem constitute the majority of the inhabitants of the Najd that is in Saudi Arabia.
    The hadeeth of Saheeh Bukhaaree reported by Abu Hurayra (RA): “I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani Tameem, ever since I heard three things the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said about them. I heard him saying, 'these people (of the tribe of Bani Tameem) would stand firm against the Dajjaal.’ When the Saddaqat from that tribe came, the Messenger of Allaah , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “these are the Saddaqat (charitable gifts) of our folk.” Aa’ishah had a slave girl from that tribe, and the Prophet , sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said to Aa’ishah, ‘manumit her as she is a descendant of Ismaa’eel, alayhis salaam.’”
    [Hadeeth no. 2543, 4366 of al-Fath] Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said, “this hadeeth also contains a clear mention of the excellence and superiority of Bani Tameem.” [Fath 5/217]
    The hadeeth of Ikrimah from one of the Companions reported in the Musnad of Imaam Ahmad and in it occurs, “do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal.”
    Al-Haythamee says: “its narrators are those of the Saheeh.” [Mujma 10/48 chpt: What is reported concerning Bani Tameem]
    It is not strange that Bani Tameem would be the most severe against the Dajjaal, because the tools required to combat him are none but a correct and firm belief and proper beneficial knowledge. Alhumdolillaah many of the scholars of Saudi are from the most noble and skilled scholars on the face of this earth today, firmly upon the way of our noble Messenger, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam. This is what Allaah has allowed me to very quickly put together. And our Lord Most High Knows best.
    *

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    ... Um ... okay very good everyone .... Hareem01 ... when do you want to close this thread before it gets out of hand?

    Peace

    for your information islam is not loving of hz.ali ra and hating hz. ali ra.

    if you read authentic histry you will find the person behind such war is abdullah bin sabah (jew).