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So much hatred and divide, no armies are needed to fight them armies are needed to protect them from slaughtering each other.
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Ahmadiyya are forced to live peacefully in Pakistan or else they would have roasted us and thrown us at dogs and other creatures had they been in majority and in power. **Don’t you know how more peaceful people than Qadiyanis, the Buddhists killed, raped and tortured the ‘Islamic radicals’ in Burma?
**When these Buddhists can go crazy nutters, we may expect worse from Ahmadiyya. You should be grateful to Allah, that He never supported your people. Power and strength is evil for you!
Let me show you a non-Ahmadiyya mirror to you, perhaps you may see the real face of your leaders.
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Your zealots live ‘peacefully’ in Israel and when Modi arrives there, your head in Israel goes to welcome him. In other words, your sect is united with Hindu extremists and Zionists against us.
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Your prophet was born and bred in the British India, and when he claimed he was the promised messiah and the prophet of God, he made peace with the British Christians who had been exploiting Indian people by stealing their wealth and resources. In other words, your prophet collaborated with the evil criminals, and gave them his support by saying that British were good people and Muslims of India were supposed to be loyal to them. And hence Jihad and Qital is haram!
Now you’re going to do the same thing which your ‘kinds’ do usually. Posting references of Sunnis, Deobandis, Barelvis that they also supported the British masters. But when you do it, it will prove that your prophet did the same dirty work that these scholars of Muslims did. **Actually the Hindus who offered resistance to the evil British rule, the likes of Bhagat Singh were better than your prophet and his devotees!
**3. Your sect was born in the lap of British masters, sought refuge in the lap of the British Queen (in England, where the khalifah resides). We know that England is the land which gives asylum to people like Salman Rushdie and Altaf Hussain. Doesn’t it ring a bell in your head?
- Quran says that Allah’s prophets will be dominant. And it proves when we see that your prophet died without completing his mission and his followers are condemned in the Muslim world by the mainstream majority of Muslims. Your prophet failed in his mission. You claim your prophet was the saviour for all people, but he didn’t serve humanity, instead he caused violence in Pakistan where Muslims and Ahmadiyya both died in anti-Ahmadi riots. Doesn’t it prove that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s teachings are based on mischief and are aimed at dividing and weakening Muslims?
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How many of them slaughtered each year in Pakistan because of Muslim-Ahmadiyya violence? Any data to share?
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I am talking in general, lets start with Bangal and Balochistan.
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Now this is nonsense. Because Bengalis were not killed in the name of religion. And Baloch people also do not suffer because they are a religious minority.
Secondly Bengalis and Baloch both also killed innocent people (Biharis, Punjabis), but again not in the name of religion, and not because they were Ahmadiyya lol.
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I am talking general hatred and not limited to religion, although look at the claims of genocidal campaign by Shias.
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Find better examples; such as world wars 1 and 2. Such as American killing of innocent people in Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and in Palestine.
And yes, don’t forget to talk about Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Were they killed in the name of Jesus?
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I am aware of that, those wars were against different nations.. I have not seen here where soldiers from Ontario would start raping and slaughtering people from Alberta. I was in Pak when racials riots broke out in Karachi and they were slaughtering each other on perceived different ethnicities.
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Are you talking about Karachi or some Lala Land? Please quote a reference instead of your tell tales.
You’re acting so innocent as if there was no lynching of black people in America, they were not treated like dogs and killed like rats in the United States of America.
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The thing is we learn and evolve and take actions to improve, when did you see black young girls getting gang raped by dozens of American soldiers, it happened in BD, claims are 700k women. The black lynchings were around 4000 in a century, Bd genocide some say is in millions. Yes I was in Karachi then, my friends younger brother was ordered to kill two Pathans one night, he said he put a gun on a pathans head sleeping on the sidewalk, he couldn’t pull the trigger as he saw hunger and starvation on him and then MQM wanted to kill him for not following orders. I knew people in Thunder Squad, PSF, BSF, PSO etc so please don’t try to educate me, I have experienced that hate first hand.
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What exactly is your point? Are you talking about Qadiyanis or violence in the name of religion, you are talking about a civil war in a country, or you simply want to prove that Pakistanis are bad people, they are murderers and rapists and the rest of the world is innocent and angelic?
Can you try, for a change, to stick to one point at a time instead of being confused about something and confusing others as well? Tell exactly what you want to discuss.
And by the way where did you get this data that millions of Bengalis were killed. Is that figure given by the UNO or some other world organisation? Or it’s like every second an American woman is raped in the country lol
Don’t such thunder squads exist everywhere in the world? Aren’t people raped and killed in America and Europe?
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thats your life here
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lol
plz dont play these old tricks on me!!!
i know what i said and i rightly referred qadyanies with jews…both never did anything violent but behind every bad thing in the history…jew hand is found…now you can defend jews as much as you can…and you believe whatever you want…that does not change reality…
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lol on mere rhetoric
Let me show you who is defending jews. your statement that jews never did anything violent is ludicrous to say the least. It is evident from Quran that jews tried to kill/killed prophets. The way they treated Isa(as) is not violent for u. strange. This is history. now how can you forget what jews as a state of israel did to palestinians. that is also not violent??. Jews resemble your kind of people who are hypocrisy embodied, who are far fro being peaceful in the current age and still keep chanting slogans. “We are peace-loving people”. I can understand your state of mind as a N-league supporter who despite heaps of evidence, still cry innocence.
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I agree to this extent that Muslims these days are not ‘real Muslims’. Our overwhelming majority maybe graded as hypocrites or people with low iman. We are not good Muslims, agreed. However this is a blatant lie that Muslims of today are violent and are not peaceful. I can safely speak for Pakistani Muslims who are very peaceful and are tolerant and broad minded. We do not kill people left and right because they practise a different faith from ours. How many Ismailis or Bohras were killed in Pakistan? How many Hindus and Christians were killed? Negligibly any.
Shias and Sunnis both were killed in tit for tat killing but the reason was not faith based. It was all political in the aftermath of Iranian Revolution of Khomeni which divided the ummah into shia and sunni rivals. It didn’t happen in Pakistan only, it happened in Afghanistan and Iraq also where the Khomeni led shia revolutionists tried to grab power. In other words it was a fight for power. Today shias and sunnis live together in the same communities and streets, they care about each other, attend each other’s weddings, funerals etc. I’m sure each and every sunni on this forum will agree with me on this. At least this is the harmony we see in cities.
If you talk about organised attacks on shias, then such attacks took place on sunnis as well. We both have suffered because of the ongoing regional conflicts. As a rule, more sunnis have been killed in Pakistan than any other minority sect and the reason is sunnis are in majority.
The case of Ahmadiyya or Qadiyanis is totally different. Their faith is based upon direct attack on our religion. The faith we believe in is due to one man alone whose name is Muhammad peace be upon him. Had there been no Muhammad, there wouldn’t have been any Islam on earth. Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani, may Allah burn him in eternity, attacked the very basis of Islam when he claimed Muhammad was not the only guardian of Islam. He did so because he was inspired by Devil who wants to misguide people from the way of Allah. Now what do you expect from the Muslims to treat the devotees of such a Devil like? I bet if Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani was not born in British India, but was born in Pakistan, he would have been sent to hell by any Mumtaz Qadri the next day when he claimed he was a (false) prophet and I also bet that his contemporary followers would have been fought like the Muslims fought Musaylmah the Liar at the time of the first caliph of Islam.
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It is really strange that this thread is about qadri and all of a sudden people started bad mouthing about Ahmadis. this is so pathetic.
Are you sure Christians and Hindus are at peace in Pakistan. Gojra/Lahore/??
You forgot gojra riots
Lahore riots. In March 2013, Muslims attacked a Christian neighborhood in Lahore, where more than 100 houses were burned after a Christian was alleged to have made blasphemous remarks.
Hindus: stories of abduction and forced conversion and marriages of hindu girls is an open secret. moreover, what happened as the aftermath of babri mosque demolition is quite evident. In Pakistan, many temples were destroyed.
He who thinks that Shia Sunni violence is not based in the differences of beliefs should pull his head out of the sand. Just for an example, check this out
The attackers confirmed that they are killing shias by asking questions and looking for scars on their backs
Hazara massacres???
this is just the tip of the ice burg
This very part not only shows the hatred that you have against Ahmadis and also your ill manners. I will leave it up to Allah regarding your insulting remarks. now the main issue. Ahmadiyyat is not an attack on Islam, it was actually a shield against attacks on Islam. go study unbiased history. You have many wrong perceptions here.
If you have studied Quran kareem properly, you would have known that Allah has taken the responsibility of dealing with false prophets (someone who attributes falsehood to Allah and spread it to masses) on Himself. He destroys that person and his works no matter how strong he is and under whose protection he is hiding. and you are saying that Mirza sahib (as) was saved because it was bristish rule. Do you think they are stronger than Allah (na auzbillah). Musailamah had gathered strength but still was utterly unsuccessful and was killed. Rashid Khalifa was under American rule, Mahdi sudani had gathered quite a bit strength but what happened they all perished and became history.
regarding Ahmadiyya doctrine and beliefs, you can visit the website IslamAhmadiyya - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website if you want to know about their beliefs.
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Ahmadis have a proven record of living peacefully in whatever country they reside in, whether it be India or Israel or UK. When muslims were being persecuted in Makkah, holy Prophet (saw) gave them permission to live under a CHRISTIAN ruler (Najjashi). Who are you to pass your judgement over that of holy Prophet’s on where muslims cannot live. Your assumption of Ahmadis somehow colluding with jews against muslims is utterly rubbish without any grounds. Your own Saudi certified muslim leaders are found in bed with Trump and associates, yet you have problem when an Ahmadi was invited by Israel.
It was a prominent Ahmadi (Zafarullah Khan) who delivered an 8 hour long speech on the rights of Palestinians in United Nation and King Faisal thanked him in a personal letter for that speech. Dont you ever assume that Ahmadis are out there to somehow collude with jews.
Holy Prophet (saw) made a treaty with non-muslims who were butchering muslims at that time (Sulah-e-Hudaibia). So in your opinion nauzobillah prophet (saw) collaborated with non-muslims by making that treaty. It is a Hadith that even if a non-muslim is made a ruler over you, Obey him unless he doesnt allow you to practice your religion. Am I suppose to take your words over that of a hadith … British rulers did not stop muslims from practicing their faith. And Qital is Haram. A 100 years later, your own ulemas are coming to the same conclusion now. It wasnt the Jihad and Qitaal that caused British to leave, it was a political movement that sent them packing. Islam is a religion of peace, but you are hell bent on violent Jihad. Moreover, when Jinnah had left the politics, it were Ahmadis who played a crucial hand in bringing him back to the independence movement.
Go ahead and follow Bhagat Singh and the likes. We Ahmadis will stick to the teaching of Holy Prophet (saw) in light of the above mentioned hadith. And dont try to prove yourself innocent by referring to other as “your kinds”. You know “your kind” pretty well. You come from the same ancestors of sunnis/barelvis/deobandis.
Muslims sought refuge in the lap of Christian Najjashi. Where Salman Rushdie and Altaf Hussain live has nothing to do with Ahmadis. Our people escaped the brutal persecution on the hand of you “peace loving muslims” who are hell bent on killing us in Pakistan. Ahmadis were never in the lap of anyone. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) wrote tens of books in defence of Islam against Christianity. You seem to lack common sense. If he was in the lap of British, why would he be writing so strongly Against their religion. Prophets are not raised for political movements, their primary goal is to spread religion, which Mirza Sahib did with his books.
Remind me how the muslims are dominant? 1400 years after the holy prophet (saw) only one-sixth of the humans are muslim, and majority of them are in miserable state. So according to your definition of dominance, Holy Prophet’s (saw) mission failed as well ?? Naozobillah.
Mirza sahib did not cause violence in Pakistan. You state-certified muslims ARE violent people and didnt need any help in that regard. And how many of you lot were killed by Ahmadis in riots?? Care to give any references and numbers? … Its a one-sided violence and YOU are on the wrong side of it.
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Here is how Qadiani leader in Israel was greeted by Modi as “special friend” after he was standing as a special guest in Netanyahu team
One has to wonder what mission Qadianis are upto in order to get the “special love” of two notorious butchers Netanyahu and Modi
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^ Being a peaceful community goes a long way in attaining other’s admiration.
Actions do speak MUCH louder than words. And Ahmadis for a century have shown they can live peacefully among other cultures and religions, whereas you lot cannot even live peacefully between yourselves.
Holy Prophet (saw) had gained admiration from his most staunch enemies, all because of his strength of character. Would you like to apply your disgusting theory there as well?
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