First Indian Train to Indian Kashmir

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^ the other alternative is taking two away and getting nothing in return?

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Well...if you go back and read the thread, the two most recent deaths occurred during the protests against Manmohan Singh's visit to Srinagar to inaugurate the train service/flaunt Indian imperialism in Kashmir. I was just wondering why the Indians were glossing over the related atrocities when they're gloating about "all they've done" for Kashmir.

Am I condemning the trains themselves? I don't have a problem with the technological advancement of Kashmir...my problem is with the smug attitude that Indians feel entitled to take as a result...as if throwing us a crumb every now and then legitimizes their illegal occupation and all the atrocities and war crimes they've committed to maintain it.

Go wage your crusade against Urdu (as if that's Pakistan's biggest problem). With Zardari's recent idiocy published in WSJ, I think we've gotten more than enough Pakistani "advice" to last us a long time.

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Dont get personal. To me your just an loner anti-indian hate monger. Theres nothing wrong about this train and whoever died protesting for this train, well their death is meaningless and a waste. And yes, without Pakistans support your little freedom movement or militancy (call it whatever you want) is a little bubble.

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Not quite sure where you're getting loner from. I wasn't aware you had been stalking me and evaluating my social life.

As for the rest of your BS, those of us who have actually dealt with India aren't quite as star-struck as you seem to be.

I never said there was (assuming the Indian military doesn't coopt it as has been their habit).

Actually 1 was killed when Indian troops opened fire on men protesting Manmohan Singh's visit. The other died when troops opened fire on people protesting the first boy's death. No one was protesting the train itself.

Of course. Lord knows we need the leftovers jihadis the Afghan war to turn our nationalist movement into a pan-Islamist mess.

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err hate to break it to you buddy, but kashmiri separatism and hatred of india is all ive seen from you. While your participation is good, your negativity works against what you try to accomplish, and this thread is a good example. You should welcome this move by the Indian Govt.

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As for the rest of your BS, those of us who have actually dealt with India aren't quite as star-struck as you seem to be.

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im sure u'll build better trains on your own in kashmir. the day kashmir becomes independent, the day u'll see the hurriyat and the jamaat people fighting over who gets to the govern the country.

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Actually 1 was killed when Indian troops opened fire on men protesting Manmohan Singh's visit. The other died when troops opened fire on people protesting the first boy's death. No one was protesting the train itself.

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Ok, but the thread isnt about manmohan singh. Thats my point, you are focusing your targeting the wrong things to criticize. Criticize Manmohan, but welcome things such as advancement of Kashmir. I think the people there deserve to be on par with the rest of the country in terms of technology.

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Of course. Lord knows we need the leftovers jihadis the Afghan war to turn our nationalist movement into a pan-Islamist mess.
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The world actually looks on it as a pan-islamic mess. I think its about time you accept the reality. India isnt letting go of Kashmir, and pakistani isnt letting go of its part. this LOC will be an international boundary. Pakistan cannot afford to keep this insurgency going with all the international pressure. You might have the people's support there (including mine) but they have too many of their own problems now to deal with.

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  1. It sounds like you have no idea what loner means [it means "one who avoids the company of other people." btw]

  2. I think the term you were looking for is "single-tracked" or something along those lines...which is also pretty absurd, considering the fact that most of my posts on this site have probably been in fashion threads.

  3. As far as "welcoming the Indian govt's gesture" is concerned, like I said, those of us who have dealt with the Indian govt's actions in Kashmir aren't quite as star struck as you are, and have every reason to be wary.

Ummm...did you not read what I already said?

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Am I condemning the trains themselves? I don't have a problem with the technological advancement of Kashmir...my problem is with the smug attitude that Indians feel entitled to take as a result...as if throwing us a crumb every now and then legitimizes their illegal occupation and all the atrocities and war crimes they've committed to maintain it.
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Yes, they do...thanks to Pakistan's "help." The Kashmir issue attracted a lot of international sympathy as a nationalist cause before the ISI turned it into a dumping ground for leftover Afghan jihadis in an effort to undermine the independence movement and turn it into a proxy war for the Pakistani absorption of Kashmir. It's going to take a lot of effort to undo the damage Pakistan has done.

With that sort of a defeatist mentality no one would ever accomplish any sort of lasting change. The Kashmiri independence movement predates Pakistan itself, and can survive without the support of Zardari or whatever other crook you people elect in the future.

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janab, the train just completed a round trip, time to whine!

btw, next time i shouldnt see you expecting any support from Pakistan, or from the crooks we elect... we'll see when and if you get independence.

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LOL.

If you want to be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant and spiteful, I suppose that's your prerogative.

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I think Zardari should have gone and participated in the inauguration of this train with Manmohan Singh. Oh well, they can always goto the next one, plenty of more to come.

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I'm pretty sure he's going to be too busy looting your national exchequer as your economy falls to pieces to care about us. It's nice to see that you're as bitter and spiteful as ever though.

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The militancy is Paki and most Kashmiris don't want any part of it, the freedom movement is home-grown and has nothing to do with Pakis...didn't expect you to stoop as low as the Indians. From your other posts in other threads, I thought you were better than this.....oh well :D

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And you guys have to rely on him for your little 'freedom movement'. I am not bitter, Mr. Geeelani and Mir Wyez were the ones shedding crocodile tears over Zardaris statement, because they know its game over for them. To us, it makes no difference, and with people like you, I think it was wise of Zardari to get Pakistan out of this.

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  1. It appears you have no idea what the term "crocodile tears" actually means.

  2. Your statement is amusing, considering the fact that Zardari's own party was so mortified and embarrassed by what he said that PPP spokespeople were tripping over each other as they distanced themselves from the WSJ interview and started claiming that he had been "misquoted."

  3. Who needs such fairweather friends...who talk about plebiscites and self-determination one minute, and then turn around and speak like BJP activists when its time to go to Washington, begging bowl in hand? Hopefully this will be an eyeopener for the handful of Kashmiris out there with romanticized notions of union with Pakistan.

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I dont really care what Zardari said doesnt affect me at all personally, but if you claim your so called struggle is peaceful and has nothing to do with militancy, why do you and your ‘indigenous’ Kashmiri leaders cried so much when Zardari condemned the militancy? Its obvious, they are smart and know without the militancy they join the 50,000 other freedom struggles going on in India which no one cares about.

Here you go:

Kashmiri leaders criticise Zardari for calling J-K jihadis terrorists

It seems the Kashmiri leaders endorse these militants :slight_smile:

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Sorry I missed your post, but same answer to you buddy, when great president Zardari criticized the militants (which you are saying are pakistani), why do you see the Kashmiri leaders so upset then?

If you think the militancy is Pakistani, you should actually welcome great Zardari's statement condemning it, and should be happy that Pakistan is changing its policy on Kashmir, and wants nothing to do with it anymore.

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Compare this:

to this:

It would appear that you're as two faced as your beloved Zardari. Like I said...who needs friends like these?

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Janab, I was all for Kashmir's union with Pakistan but people like you that are na-shukra and anti-pakistani are making me think otherwise. Also, you didnt answer me, if this militancy is all Pakistan's doing, how come your 'peaceful' kashmiri leaders are blasting zardari for speaking out against the militants? huh? answer me and no dilly dallying this time.

Apart from that, carry on your little hate crusade against both India and Pakistan, I am sure they will both give you independence pretty soon :) In the meantime, enjoy the trains and rollercoasters coming your way.

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Ah...so up until 12 days ago, you were "all for" Kashmiri separatism, but 5 posts from me, and suddenly you're freaking LK Advani. Either your convictions are so shallow and easily shaken that they're practically worthless, of you're just being spiteful and two faced.

I also find your anti-Pakistani allegation a little absurd, considering the fact that your entire problem with me (both in this thread and the Urdu thread) seems to stem from my opinions about India being too strong for your newfound "Veer Zaara" mindset.

Why shouldn't the peaceful separatist leaders take offense? Zardari didn't distinguish between groups, or limit his statement to the cross-border militants his own government created and sent across the border. His statement was intended to ingratiate himself with American & Indian authorities by painting the entire Kashmiri separatist movement with the "terrorism" brush. His later statements about resolving the issue through "bilateral" dialogue between India & Pakistan (with no input from the Kashmiri people) hasn't helped either.

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Ill ignore your personal attacks, because I know you are upset :slight_smile: dont lose hope though :hehe:

Zardari spoke against militancy, period, end of story. Now the only people who would take offense from that are the ones that support this militancy, and you are one of them along with leaders such as Syed GeeeeLani etc. You obviously support militants (doesnt matter who they are, and where they train) which is why you are upset, so dont bring an ugly mindset and blame Pakistan for its militancy while back behind the covers you are begging our leaders to continue to support the insurgency in Pakistan. With Zardari and co taking orders from the US, your freedom struggle is pretty much done for, the only support you have is from the people of Pakistan, which is dwindling along with every anti-pakistani comment you make.

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Oh by the way, the Srinagar Airport International Terminal is opening up pretty soon, with regular international flights in addition to the only Hajj flights the airport offered in the past. Looks like things are looking good for the people of Kashmir.

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