Finding Jobs @ Job Fairs

This is based on the Job Fairs thread in General by Scratch

Heres a script I have used once in a while that you could improvise to your needs: (and people feel free to suggest changes to it as it is a learning experience for me everytime).

Afer the formalities of “Hi, My name is Scratch”.. … are over

Assuming you know the firm or can read thier marketing pamphlets before you talk to the recruiter and get some info about the firm (but works, with some alterations, even if you dont know anything about them). Since most times these are HR people you dont get detailed questions, but expect questions in all realms of the field.

I am a graduating CS student, with X years of experience in <bring in any information here that could be related to the firm, such as projects,papers, work etc> … I am currently completing a thesis in … . I have been very impressed by your firms… blah blah blah… I am interested in positions in this field. Where would someone with my background fit within your firm

<the idea here is not to get the “NO we dont do that” and resume database words>…

<You should be able to take the conversation further from here by tying some of your work with what the person talks about. ask some industry questions, e.g. MS - where do they feel the next big jump in technology would occur and how they are positioning themselves to take advantage of that etc.>

<You are trying to get a business card or some connection in the firm, because at the job fair its generally just a yes or no thing most often. Most recruiters put the resumes simply into two files! You want to jump that and get in touch with them personally afterwards where they are not getting a 1000 resumes. I often end with these two>

HR recruiter or someone from another department: Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. The information you provided was very helpful. I would be very interested in getting in touch with someone who is working in <job position/area of research> to get a perspective of the day to day job. Would you mind if I get in touch with you to be connected with someone in that position?

Technical Person: I enjoyed talking to you and learning about the opportunities at… I am very interested in . Do you have a business card or contact info that I may contact you at if I have any further questions about the <firm/job position/ etc>

With the contact information follow up within a day or two at the most. You can ask specific questions or ask for a contact or anything. Try and tie it in with the talk you had at the job fair so that they can remember who you were.

Other options to finding a job:

  1. The girl that you tutored may be just did not recognize you. I dont think it would be impolite to say, “you look very familiar, did you take blah blah blah last semester”. And go from there. So if you have an acquaintance, use it to your benefit.

  2. Alumni - especially from your department. find them through your alumni database and use them as contacts to get info about the firm. Even schedule a 15-30 min talk on the phone if you are upto it to talk about the firm, their positions at it and what they enjoy.

  3. Use your profs. They have a very good contact list, know who is doing what and where, how interested they are in hiring people and so on.

ALWAYS ALWAYS follow up with a thank you note after an interview, talk or anything else. It shows you respect the 30 mins the person took in thier busy day to talk to you. I once got to talk to a VP of a Fortune 5 firm for about an hour simply because I had followed up with a speaker at the firm after his talk, about an interest of mine, and he asked the me to email him later on in the week. When I did he got me in touch with the VP and requested he schedule some time for me. I was truely amazed as a student that things such as that could happen!

For Job Fairs, since you get a tonne of things/booklets etc and you also have to pass your exams, I go home after the fair and take out the 5-10 firms that I am really interested in, put down some notes about the people I spoke with and try and follow up with them within the two days.

Does this always work? obviously not, since I am jobless :-p, but it does get you contacts in the firm who can look out for you very often and let you know if things happen (and of course if the economy is bad its hard to hire people!). Think of it more of as a networking thing rather then a job search. these same people will most likely be there when you do have a job and may become valuable resources of information and jobs later on in your life.

Also, and I have to say this is a very desi thing, we do a lot of bitching and are lazy about following up with people or contacts and expect them to be excited about us. The excuse: there is no job offer at the end. True but how often would you as an employee of a firm want to be contacted just if there were a job offer at the end. Would you hire a person who did that? Some of my best contacts are those that have not ended even in an interview but I know that they would be willing to help me out if the economy improved.

That been said, I have had all the experiences Scratch has had but I would always put a positive spin to it I think.

I am sure there are several others who are in the workforce who have their views on how to make inroads into firms. Please share so that we may all learn.

People do add your thoughts on the subject

Its always good to do your homework before you go to the job fair.
which companies are coming, what positions are they interviewing for. make a list of who do you want to talk to first.

Get there early. first hit the ones that you are most interested in, and have the type of jobs that you want.

I have been on the other side of the table at job fairs, the people that left memorable impressions were early in the day and late in the day just before we kinda closed shop and most ppl were gone. The late one is a bit dangerous because if there are a lot of ppl you may not be able to talk to the persons. On the other hand, as a job seeker as well as a company rep i have had good expereinces during the end of day chats, there is noone around so u can talk more.

never approach a job fair as an interview. I have seen people start reading their resume almost i.e. "i worked for so and so from 98-200 doign this".. well dont do that, the guy is looking at your resume.
give them an experience and skills profile.

This person is going to make some notes on your resume. i.e. good personality, which group do they think this person can fit in etc etc. In many cases this person will never see your resume again.

firm handshake, no clammy hands, breathmints, are a must :)

take business cards, if you have yours made, share them..make notes about your interaction with the person as soon as you move away from the desk.

follow up with the person the next day, give them a pitch about your skillset and experi4ence and how you would be a good fot for what they were looking for, ask a question or two, and then wait.

Ditto Mr. Fraudia!!!! Hey Fraudz, r u sure ur not in human resources??? :D

No, but i just like to share my perspectives and experiences. Since I have been involved in recruiting for my company I can offer some hints on what applicants can do better.

But nyah I leave the real HR stuff to you experts.

Fraudz
One of my friend had done Oracle courses and has passed Oracle certifications in Canada.. hes a bit depressed as far as job situation..,what u suggest for him.

Degas

Oracle apps or database? Ask him to send me his resume. I know some ppl in Oracle apps and can get his resume in front of the right people at the Oracle practice at my former group.

Aside from that, His best bet will be to find out which companies use Oracle and target them additionally, there are Oracle users group meetings in pretty much every city, he should try to see if he can attend one of those events. Normally they are open and have a meet and greet sort of slot as well.

tell him to contact me and if I can help him with any of this I will.

A US national, BSEE & International Business with two years of HW/SW internship in San Francisco Bay Area, graduating in Dec 2002. Economy is bad and don't know what to do. Should I go for graduate studies? or settle for a low paying job?

Going to job fairs aint’ much of a big deal, I find it time consuming and useless. One hot summer day, my friend and I decided to dress up and go scour the far east, west, north and south fairs, hidden job market and even blue collar jobs. To our disappointment, we’re handed are cards saying go to this website which is what we had been doing prior to the search.

I’d say employment agencies have taken the scoop leaving independant searchers dependant on them. So now I resort to looking for jobs on the web, going through atleast 5 different websites with 100’s of jobs to sift through.

And after applying to a few, with 15-20 minutes spent on catering the cover letter + resume to the employers demand, on average I’ll get about 2-3 calls a day. Out of which, one is usually a miss cuz of the scheduling due to my academic endevour. Rather than them interviewing me I have to say Thank you and have a nice day which completely sucks cuz when some jobs are such a sweet deal it hurts to pass them on :crying:

All in all I’m pretty dishearted with this recession and new trend thats going on about education entirely unrelated to your job. It doesn’t matter if you have a degree anymore. Both my pal and I stood on the same platform, regardless of his degree and me being an undergrad.

In the end its experience and networking that matters.

The degree does matter long term, just that at the current moment theres an oversupply and hence people can pay the degree holder and the undergrad the same amount and more then less likely have both be interested. Thus you are less likely to get the job unless the employer thinks that the graduate student would leave as soon as the economy turns around and does not really have any motivation to work - very important cause a motivated undergrad can completely outshine the unmotivated grad.

Wasim

what would you have done if the economy was good? I would suggest that you go for a grad degree if you are unable to find a job, otherwise take the job even if does not pay what you were expecting. By the time the economy recovers and the market is hot again, you would have gained expereince and will be more desireable as an employee.

A masters without experience can be a curse at times because you are overqualified for some jobs and under-experienced for others.

If you do get a decent offer, take it, and start masters on the part time basis after a few months on the job.