After epic failure of PTI and IK, the need of new party was there, as we all know PPP is history and PML-N is on the route to become one, there is huge space for new party. I guess they have realistic goals and would have team of experts and would not rely of electables…
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Akhir kaun hain yeh nijat dahinda's?
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whoever those would be, i hope they are better than what we have we have got at hand.
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well................lets see
time out guys....
to deliver, you first need to come into the power and form a govt
to form a govt, you need to win seats in majority
to win majority, you need to win rural pakistan where 70% of voters live
to win rural pakistan, you need to get deep into rural politics which is driven by bradari, zaat paat and local connections
to win bradari votes, you will have to rely on waderas, chaudaris who have brdari votes in those constituencies
to win these waderas/chaudaris, you will have to make compromises BUT..
once you do it, you will start losing credibility among your passionate urban voters ...
and then that vicious cycle will begin..PPP saw that in 70s..PTI is facing that dilemma now..India has the same problem. that is why aam adami party lost so miserably in broader rural india but won in metro delhi
so if the intention is to make a pressure group in the assembly, it is a great idea. Maybe win lahore/karachi first like aam adami party in India
I am anxious!
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^^ When i was in PTI, the idea presented to IK was what Kejriwal did, which is, get the MNA, MPA and Local body members nominated in all the areas or in the selected areas and start you election campaign.
Election Campaign doesn't mean that you have huge or small jalsas all the time, these are things at the the time of elections, 2/3 years prior to elections, you have you candidate out, let him mix with the people, let him know their exact problem, let him stand with them and at the time elections at least he would know who is from his constituency and who not, like Khawaja Asif and Saad rafique constantly check the the voters lists of their respective const. and keep in touch with the people there. Thats the key to win the election and not some electables.
There are few areas, where feudal hold is very strong, areas like southern punjab, where only SMQ, Mazari, Gillani or Hashmi can win.. ignore those areas for the 1st elections... concentrate more on the areas you can win.... and have enough seats to make an impact in parliament... that should have been the goal and should be the goal of new party...
Once you are in the news, you pressurize/criticize govt, and have team of who are playing their role, you are then be the govt in waiting...
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If it's the case of self proclaimed siyaasi yateems getting their own messiah and the one party that'll fix everything, then congratulations. Looks like they were waiting for a long time to pin all their hopes of outright perfection on something, and someone.
Otherwise it is no brainer that Pakistan actually needs a lot of new political parties, pressure groups, strong Unions and mini movements and episodic campaigns of all sorts to speed things up. A healthy political competition between new parties is one the main ways to to achieve a robust and engaging democratic system. Pakistan's political system needs more and more dynamic opposition to raise the bar, and place some checks and balances in place for the government.
But all in all, nice to see there would be another massive blow from somewhere to send parasitic PPP/PMLN oligarchs home. Good luck to the new party.
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Rural politics is still a problem in India, but unlike Pakistan, India doesn't have a widespread problem of electoral rigging in in its urban centres! That makes all the difference in a real democracy!
Unlike Pakistan, India has a relatively strong and independent election commission. Once beaten AAP almost clean sweeped Delhi under the nose of just an year old popularly elected BJP government which had natural alliance with numerous strong Hindutava parties. So APP win is indeed quite incredible, and Indians are rightl to feel quite proud of Delhi elections results. It is one of their great democratic moments.
You really think in Pakistan, the Sharif family will let any third party 'win' Lahore or MQM/PPP to win allow any 'outsiders' to win Karachi? We are talking about established political mafias here, not political parties.
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I am anxious!
So am I, lets wait and see, i don't think that we had to wait that long, may be October this year?
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well................lets see
and then that vicious cycle will begin..PPP saw that in 70s..PTI is facing that dilemma now..India has the same problem. that is why aam adami party lost so miserably in broader rural india but won in metro delhi
so if the intention is to make a pressure group in the assembly, it is a great idea. *Maybe win lahore/karachi first like aam adami party in India * I am anxious!
Pakistan had a AAP of its own, it was MQM when it was founded. But then later it became what it is today.
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Pakistan had a AAP of its own, it was MQM when it was founded. But then later it became what it is today.
Later it became the representative of Underworld bolay tu, Bhai party... Haqooq-e-tahafuz-e-Bhai-log
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AAP is an ethno-centric party? Was it pumped up by the Indian establishment?
Oh I didn't know that.
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AAP is an ethno-centric party? Was it pumped up by establishment?
Oh I didn't know that.
And i didnt say Altaf was chairman of AAP if you were gonna say that too.
I obviously was talking about similarities not the differences. Among all the parties in Pakistan MQM was (and to an extent even today) common mens party dealing with common issues which broke in to castle of established giant parties. Both are city based party having educated audience working to resolve issues. But obviously MQM today is not the same MQM which was founded decades ago.
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^^ When i was in PTI.
aap kabiee PTI may hotay thay? :)
waisay pata nahieen whom did haroon rasheed meet....he has put his credibility at stake. if nothing happens, he will be a laughing stock.
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aap kabiee PTI may hotay thay? :)
waisay pata nahieen whom did haroon rasheed meet....he has put his credibility at stake. if nothing happens, he will be a laughing stock.
Ab ghalati tu insaan say hi hoti hay! :) August 2010 when PTI decided to take all the garbage in the party, i left it.
Its not only Haroon Rasheed, its been under discussion since IK lost his mind last year... it has been discussed thoroughly this time and hopefully shall end the misery of common man.
I would call it democraticly elected technocrats.. remember the 1st three years of Mushy govt... when no so-called big name was in Party yet Pakistan's performance has been lot better..
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And i didnt say Altaf was chairman of AAP if you were gonna say that too.
I obviously was talking about similarities not the differences. Among all the parties in Pakistan MQM was (and to an extent even today) common mens party dealing with common issues which broke in to castle of established giant parties. Both are city based party having educated audience working to resolve issues. But obviously MQM today is not the same MQM which was founded decades ago.
yes MQM central leadership has been comprised of middle class folks for a very long time and unlike PPP and PMLN, we have not seen relatives flooding MQM or taking key posts in the govt but...
the fact of the matter is that MQM's ideological DNA was based on ethnic separation...was 100% mohajar-focused driven by violence against other ethnic groups (whatever the rational was) .... that ideology drove the party for many many years and while MQM tried to make itself more diversified, less mohajar focused and less violent as time passed, its past behavior and ideological DNA never allowed it to become a clean political party
AAP on the other hand has a very different ideological foundation....very very different.
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And i didnt say Altaf was chairman of AAP if you were gonna say that too.
I obviously was talking about similarities not the differences. Among all the parties in Pakistan MQM was (and to an extent even today) common mens party dealing with common issues which broke in to castle of established giant parties. Both are city based party having educated audience working to resolve issues. But obviously MQM today is not the same MQM which was founded decades ago.
You said Pakistan had it's AAP in the face of MQM. However, MQM started it off as a Muhajir Qomi Movement (a strictly ethnic campaign). Doesn't really sound like AAP, or does it? MQM neither at the time of its inception nor at present or any point in their history ever managed to appeal to 'common Pakistanis' for their obvious ethnic hatred and mafia ways. That surely speaks volumes about their concerns for common Pakistanis? I'm not sure if this is also a case with AAP? Whatever political mileage MQM managed to get in Sindh was thanks to the blessing of Gen Zia, who at the time desperately needed to counter the regrouping of PPP.
But yes you are right, MQM (as well as Sharif brothers) was establishment's trick to tackle the established party of the time - PPP. Otherwise I fail to see exactly where they have managed to break the castle of giant parties in Pakistan? It is the same old gun to gun fighting with PPP with control Karachi and nothing else.
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Ab ghalati tu insaan say hi hoti hay! :) August 2010 when PTI decided to take all the garbage in the party, i left it.
Its not only Haroon Rasheed, its been under discussion since IK lost his mind last year... it has been discussed thoroughly this time and hopefully shall end the misery of common man.
I would call it democraticly elected technocrats.. remember the 1st three years of Mushy govt... when no so-called big name was in Party yet Pakistan's performance has been lot better..
i am anxious but dont recall any such model in emerging countries especially in south asia .... apparently these folks that Haroon is referring to are very successful (ex bureaucrats, big businessmen, ex senior army folks etc) but remember, to get success in countries like pakistan usually means many many compromises. if you run dawood industry or if you are hashwani, your business Internets are tied to state and the state is run by PMLN, PPP type folks....they will start twisting your arm....business contracts will be cancelled, cases will open against retired bureaucrats....you know what i mean. this haroon guy is a very emotional guy, by the way.
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i am anxious but dont recall any such model in emerging countries especially in south asia .... apparently these folks that Haroon is referring to are very successful (ex bureaucrats, big businessmen, ex senior army folks etc) but remember, to get success in countries like pakistan usually means many many compromises. if you run dawood industry or if you hashwani, your business Internets are tied to state and the state is run by PMLN, PPP type folks....they will start twisting your arm....business contracts will be cancelled, cases will open against retired bureaucrats....you know what i mean. this haroon guy is a very emotional guy.
1st thing 1st, there are no simple or 5 mins, or 9 days or 90 days or one year or 3 year or 5 year solution for Pakistan's problem.
2nd thing, Pakistan have not got a single problem to start with, if there are 8 dimensions in geometry, Pakistan have 16 or more dimensions when it comes to problem.
Solution to all this, well like i said, it won't be solved in a day or two, it would take a decade to reach break-even, but it have to start from somewhere, and this party would be the starting point. No big hopes pinned on them, only hope is, they start moving in right direction.. or can determine the direction...
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So by the looks of it it seems like this Haroon Rasheed man has found a new political home himself after being in a state of limbo. His very own PTI-II. Just like his earlier gaga of PTI (that made so many of people who now quote him as ultimate authority hate him lol), I reckon this man will be all over this new party as well and cheerleading for him, and painting them as oh so messianic, like he did with young PTI. Cool.
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I think its better to wait and see, we definitely need more parties in the country to challenge the status quo. PTI has taken around 17 years to make some mark on the national scene, the new party will not be ready in time for the next elections.