Filling the great gap....

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By the way, politics by definition is an integral part of Islam. For if it was not then Prophet Ibrahim (as) would not have challenged Nimrood, Prophet Musa (as) would not have stood up to Firaoun, our Prophet (saww) would not have disturbed the rule of Abu Sufyan and other elite of Quraysh, Imam Hussain (as) would not have resisted allegiance to Yazid and so on. Quran is full of examples on this. Authority belongs to Allah (swt) only and He chooses whom He wills to lead and guide the people in all the domains including political. In fact one could argue that political power is the single most important aspect of leadership since the other areas such as spiritual, social, economical guidance are so much dependant on it.

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Thnx Nuss. I will check out the books and will also verify if Mr. Nomani has misquoted or quoted out of context from the books.

Paglu, I was talking the same as not everything in those books are words of those saints/Prophets. So let say if the crap mentioned in anti-shia books are really found in your books, thats mean Shia will not defend it and rather say that this is a weak narration. Correct. Because any sane man can say it easily that those pious ppl must not have said this. It makes Islam (or Shiaism to be specific) a big joke in front of Hinduism and other non-divine religions, let alone Judaism and Christianity.

As far the politics is concernd, my whole point is that we are not living in the era of Hz Umar or Hz Ali. Nobody knows what is in books about those Sahaba having enimosity is true or not. However we do know that Hz Ali was Hz AbuBakr and Umar's right hand and advisor. Hz Umer married Hz Ali's daughter during his tenure as Khalifa. So these facts show complete trust between these men, IMO. Even if Shia believe that Ali should have been the first Khalifa and only ahle-bait had right of khilafa, what will Shias achieve if Sunni start believing it?????? Nothing, the love for Ali will not be increase or decrease, as you know how much Sunni respect ahle-bait.

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If you are interested to know more than you should familiarize yourself a little with the science of Hadith and how its applied. If you don't know any Sunni scholar in real life then there are many knowledgeable Sunni members on GupShup who might help you such as Psyah and Hareem.
My friend, you have an extremely simplistic view of matters that are complex. It seems clear that you have only been exposed to Sunni side of extremist propaganda literature. If you wish then I could give you couple of links of propaganda literature from the Shia side so you could see how its a long circular process that achieves little.

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As far the politics is concernd, my whole point is that we are not living in the era of Hz Umar or Hz Ali. Nobody knows what is in books about those Sahaba having enimosity is true or not. However we do know that Hz Ali was Hz AbuBakr and Umar's right hand and advisor. Hz Umer married Hz Ali's daughter during his tenure as Khalifa. So these facts show complete trust between these men, IMO. Even if Shia believe that Ali should have been the first Khalifa and only ahle-bait had right of khilafa, what will Shias achieve if Sunni start believing it?????? Nothing, the love for Ali will not be increase or decrease, as you know how much Sunni respect ahle-bait.
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We have debated these issues thousands of time right here on GupShup. Use the SEARCH function and go through some of the old threads.
If you are serious in finding more on this topic then it should be researched primarily in the light of the Holy Quran and not ones personal whims and opinions.

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Alas even the blood of many millions throughout the ages cries out:

"let the matter be settled by the Quran"

But does anyone even sit down and talk... only to confront it seems.

I am a devout Sunni but i do not have a hatred for Shia. In fact as i have said what happened all those centuries ago should not be forgotten but we do need to heal the wounds, cant both sides come to terms?

I mean forget Sunni's labelling Shia's as backstabbers becuase that argument can swing both ways... also i see no wrong in Shia feeling hurt about some issues but surely theres no need to curse after centuries have passed.

I think honestly that there is a middle ground. Shia have proven they are more than loyal to the cause afterall they have overtaken Sunni's in the staunch defence of Mulsim values. However Sunni's also adhere to the basic tenets and ways of the Prophet and surely the Ahle Bayth is the one platform upon which i base my unity.

I am not going to deny that the Shia and Sunni's are both wrong in the way they fight.... but i will deny anyone who says that either party are wrong.

We share the same bloodline as it were let the love of the Ahle Bayth be the uniting factor between us.

The Sahaba are to be respected as well they are the fathers of both sides.... i believe that of the 313 men who stood at Badr all are my spiritual fathers, and are the founders of both Shai and Sunni faith.

However remmber by the time of Uhad battle 1000 soldiers were left to 300 by a few treacherous and false fiends... it is those few who ruined the faith not the people that came afterwards.

Our Sunni and Shai divide is getting greater but what unites us is far greater.

Let the love of those who love Rasoolallah and the Ahle bayt and the Sahaba live together forever.

Where the Sahaba were divided do not pick sides.... do not rate one above another they were all lovers of rasoolallah let not that division come between you dear brothers.

I am crying blood everytime i see Muslim kill Muslim. After the battle of Basra Imam Ali sher e khuda wept, let not those tears be shed in vain.

Long before any leader in the west would think of such a gesture Imam Ali forbid his troops from celebrating the victory and ordered three days of mourning....

By all means Brothers argue if you must but don't let your pride or your hate ruin both our hearts... we have no more blood left to pump.

Is it not a tragedy as great as Karbala that after 1400 years we still bicker.... I see no point in it.

If i could give my life for unity between both sides i would give it gladly. I believe those who divided us were few and those who love us many. Let the voice of peace compassion and love flow forth.

Note i do not quote Hadith or Koran in this matter becuase not only am i a merely layman but i also see no reason in consulting our learned books while we fight like animals.

Everytime i hear a sunni or shia abuse one another my heart weeps.... as if we Muslims are not being torn assunder from outside we do not need to implode.

Peace brothers.

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^ I would like to share the statement of Syed Sistani in regard to Islamic Unity and Against Sectarian Strife.

Original text: http://www.sistani.org/local.php?modules=extra&eid=2&sid=84

Translation

The Statement of Ayatullah al-Udhma Sistani(HA) on the Subject of Islamic Unity and Against Sectarian Strife

In the Name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate

"And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; "
(Quran, Surah Aal-i-Imraan (#3), Verse 103)

The Islamic nation is going through difficult circumstances, and facing major crises and enormous challenges affecting its present and threatening its future. Everyone is aware of this situation and needs to close ranks and reject those who fan the flames of sectarianism and we must avoid stirring sectarian differences.

Those differences that have existed for centuries, and no completely satisfactory resolution - pleasing to all parties - seems to exist, and hence should not be persued for the sake of creating controversy and strife, but only within the framework of scientific research in a sober and in particular in a manner that does not affect the fundamentals of Islam.

Everyone believes in One God, and the message of Prophet Mustafa(S), may Allah shower His blessings upon him and his family, and in the concept of Ma’ad (Ressurection/Judgement), and the fact that the Quran - which is guarded and protected by Allah from distortion - along with the Honourable Prophetic Sunnah (Tradition) which is the source for the Shari’a (Islamic Legal) rulings and the affection for the Holy Ahl al-Bayt(A), peace be upon them, and so on; these basics are shared by the Muslims in general, among which are the pillars of Islam: Prayer, Fasting, Hajj and so on.These common concepts form the basic core for Islamic Unity. We must focus on them to establish closer bonds of love and affection between the people of this Ummah, and indeed do no less than work on peaceful co-existence amongst each other, and move away from bickering and communal and sectarian rhetoric under whatever guise or title.

So every effort must be exerted by all those concerned about the elevation and glory of Islam, and it must be promoted to the Muslims to do everything in power in order to bridge the gap between them, and alleviate the repercussions (effects) of the tensions caused by the political pressure, in order to obliterate any chance of further dissention and division. That dissension - if left untended to - would inevitably give way for the enemies aspirations - to dominate the Islamic Countries and seize their wealth - to be fulfilled.

However, sadly and regrettably it is evident that certain people and parties are working on a completely contrasting agenda. They have been seeking to perpetuate and increase the division and foster deeper sectarian differences among Muslims. They have increased their efforts lately, especially after the recently increasing political conflicts in the region and the intensification of the fight over power and influence.

They have exerted serious efforts to illucidate and disseminate the ideological differences among different Muslim sects, going so far as to even adding their own made-up differences by methods of tucking and slander, in order to achieve their purposes of discrediting a certain sect and disreputing its followers, and intimidating others against them.

And in persuit of this scheme, they have published in the media - from satellite and internet web sites, magazines and other means - strange rulings (opinions) which are offensive to some Islamic Schools and Sects. They have attributed these made-up rulings to His Emminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), in an apparent attempt to defame his authority for the sole purpose of increasing the sectarian tensions, leading to their specific goals.

The opinions of the Esteemed Sayyed (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), can only be taken from the reliable sources, such as books of his rulings documented and bearing his signature and seal; and they do not contain anything defaming to other Muslim sects or parties from other schools of thought. And anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of Ayatullah(HA)'s rulings can detect the outrageous lies within what is being said and published.

We can also point out to the stance and statements of His Eminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)) during the past years on the issue of the plight of wounded Iraq, as well as his commandment to his followers and imitators (muqallideen) in dealing with their brethren from the people of the Sunnah with love and respect. Also, he has recurrently stressed on the sancrosanctity of the blood, honor and wealth of all Muslims, be they Sunnah or Shia; and that anyone who kills unjustly is to be abjured.

All of this clearly discloses the methodologies followed by this religious authority in dealing with the followers of other schools of thought, and in what light these followers are viewed. Had everyone followed the footsteps of this religious authority, things would have been different from what we are witnessing today in terms of blind violence hitting everywhere, and horrendous murders that do not exclude even young children or old people or pregnant women; and unto Allah do we complain!

We ask Allah, the Mighty, the Most High, to take the hands of all to that which is good for the Ummah and for its best interests, verily He has power and authority over all things.

The Office of Ayatullah al-Udhma Sistani(HA),
an-Najaf al-Ashraf, Iraq
Muharram 14, 1428 / February 3, 2007

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Great post Faris. :)

Thnx Paglu for the post.

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perhaps you should look at the quran and hadith lest you make a mockery of islam by ignorance. it is merely a belief which makes us muslim or not, ie belief in one god and his messenger. this may seem to include the shiah but from then on the shia takeaway from their faith many things.

it is often said that the first victim of shia/sunni unity is the quran, i'd have to say that is true. the shia intrepretation of the quran is blatantly unacceptable. theres two main reason why the shia do not accept the quran as unquestionably authentic 1. it does not tell them what they want to hear about ali ra and his descendents 2 it was finally put to written form by the sahaba, who they wholly reject because they were not following the shia imams

the shia view of the seal of the prophets concept is similarly unacceptable, often elevating the imams especially ali ra over and beyond prophethood infringing on tawheed. this allegation is true for 12er beliefs but 'may' not be found amongst commoners who have sunnified their religion somewhat.

also their view on the sahaba is very evidently unacceptable

the religion is actually very different to sunni islam, they have rejected sunni islam alltogather because in our narrations mutah was banned but they refuse to take this narration because it comes from sunni books allthough the sunni hadith collections are superior in quality and authencity

ive often defended the shi'a and still would do concerning their right to live a peaceful life but this thread hints at religious coming togather which is a big no no. furthermore the reason often used to think about unity is jihad related, for this a saying of abu bakr ra comes to mind (words to the effect) - wars of muslims are not won by numbers or weapons, they are won by piety. so whose iman would sell out the respect and dignity of his own quran certifide mother for better chance of survival?

it is these comments regarding 'amijaan' by 12ers on this very forum which have caused me to re-look at unity . ive found unity is ok for antiamerican chestthumping and materialistic feeling of security of the laymen but it actually takes one away from the true path. shia 12er religion is more different then most people realise

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Sir Love of Sahabs is the fundamental of sunni belifes atleast i wil not like to sit with a person who abuses my beloved PROPHET (S.A.W) BELOVED COMPANIONS

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:smack: Bas kar dai. If you really do want some peace (which I highly doubt), stopping us cursing them is no big deal. Cursing and tabarra are two different things. But if you want that to happen, then you will have to stop praising them. When people advocate unity, they often just say Shias stop tabarra, Shias stop azadari, Shias stop this and that. How the hell is that unity? More like banning the fundamental beliefs of Shias rather than unity.

Just like you don’t want to hear abusing of your beloved PROPHET’S (saw) BELOVED COMPANIONS, I don’t want to hear praises of the man who killed my beloved PROPHET’s (saw) BELOVED DAUGHTER (sa).

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And you believe Lion of Allah married his daughter to the murderer? Will any Shia do it today? Will anyone marry his daughter to the murderer of his wife and her mother? Do you really think that after all the 'zulm' Umer R.A committed against ahle-bait, Ali R.A didn't have courage to stop him or stand against him, while his son would do that along with his family few decades later? Was Hussain R.A more courageous than his father who was praised by Prophet SAW and his companion for his bravery?

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These ahadith ascribed to Umme Kulthoom (sa) marrying him are such lies, I am at school right now. I'll post more on it when I get home.

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Chinese ‘takeaway’?
inform us…what did we “take away”?

u were making similar allegations b4 here too and they were debunked here…http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/433324-what-is-the-basic-difference-between-shias-and-sunnis-3.html

wow…u know what we believe yet we dont know it…and u seem to somehow know ‘reasons’ for it too!!!..what a champ!

wow…ur research has led u to believe something no sunni Imam knew…for why wud Bukhari take hadiths from Shia when they believed in a monkey god and not the real deal that the “precious Sunnis” believed in…pls “sunnify” us more on this!

like u mean if u list 150,000 ppl in ur list of sahabas and some of them end up become apostate, kill each other and kill innocents, commit rape, wage war on Muslims and rebel against “rightful caliph”, manufacture hadiths & curse the best of companions…and ur own sources write all this down and agree…& when we call them bad it becomes “evidently unacceptable” view of the Sahaba!..wow…whats the acceptable view of these criminals to u? Sunnify us…

yes like how 2/3 of ur hadiths r from a lady who led rebellions and directly disobeyed the command of Quran and the Prophet (pbuh), and father of cats Abu Hurayra…man, that quality is hard to beat, isnt it!

wow…thats almost as peaceful as George Bush…

does running away from the battlefield count as some sort of ‘secret’ strategy for winning Jihad too?..because thats what the first caliph did at number of times…

sell what and sell to who???

pls enlighten us of those cursed comments that made shardmanny throw away roses and opt Kalashnikov…reveal us the secrets!

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Why aren't the ahadith of Umme Kulthoom (sa) marrying Umar in any of your MOST authentic books? Why are they in your minor books? It proves how much of a lie it is. The ahadith on it that I have read about it are truly disgusting.

Tareekh Baghdad Volume 6 page 182:
"'Umar asked for the hand of 'Ali's daughter. 'Ali ordered her to groom herself. He sent her to 'Umar, who grabbed her calf, kissed her, and said 'Tell your father that I am happy.' Upon her return she said to her father, 'He kissed me, grabbed my calf and told me to convey to you that he was happy'".

Asad al Ghaybah Volume 5 page 367:
"Abu Umar narrates on the authority of Zubayr Bakri, 'Umar asked for the hand of Ali's daughter, who replied that she was too young. 'Umar asked twice more. 'Ali said 'I shall send the girl to you, if you like her than say 'I accept''. 'Ali then sent the girl with a cloth and told her to say [to 'Umar] 'This is the scarf that I was talking about'. She conveyed these words to 'Umar, who said 'Tell your father that I accept'. Umar then touched the girl's calf. She exclaimed 'You have done this to me? If it hadn't been for the fact that you are Khalifa of the Muslims I would have broken your nose'. The girl went home and repeated the episode to her father, stating 'You sent me to a foul man', with that 'Ali said 'He is your husband'."

Sawaiqh al Muhriqa page 280 and Asaaf al Ghaneen page 162:
"Umar asked for the hand of 'Ali's daughter. 'Ali replied that she is too young. Umar eventually made 'Ali desperate, and he [Umar] climbed the pulpit declaring 'By Allah, I have made 'Ali desperate as I heard Rasulullah (s) say that on the Day of Judgement all family trees shall me severed save those of my family'. By the orders of 'Ali Umme Kalthum was then groomed and sent to Umar. When Umar saw her, he got up, took her in his lap, kissed her, and showered blessings on her. When she got up to leave, he grabbed her ankle and said, 'Tell your father that I am willing'. When she returned home and told her father about what had transpired, Ali married her to Umar".

Disturbing.

If I come with a hadith from al-Kafi which says Allah (swt) created the heavens and earth from the noor of Ahl-al-Bayt (as) you will not accept it because I cannot make something you don't even believe in a proof against you as you don't consider al-Kafi to be trustworthy... The same with your sources .. it's not a proof against us.

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Ali R.A didn't have courage to stop him or stand against him, while his son would do that along with his family few decades later?
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The Imams (as) were not petty beings.

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Thanks Jafri for the info. Take a look at this as well.

Shia believe in this Nikkah.

Making sure you're not a bot!

I know you’re going to say these are not authentic books, but its not that only Sunnis reported the marriage. Shias also reported it.
As per one Shia alim, in recent times Shias have distant themselves from this believe. (Allah knows best).

1- Agha Burzug al-Tahrani’s al-Dharia (5:184). 2- Ali ibn Muhammad al-Alawi’s al-Mujdi fi Ansab al-Talibiyyin (p. 17).
3- Al-Fadil al-Hindi’s Kashf al-Litham (2:312).
4- Al-Hurr al-Amili’s Wasa’il al-Shia Al al-Bayt (15:19, 17:594, 21:263, 26:314).
5- Muhammad ibn Habib al-Baghdadi’s al-Munammaq fi Akhbar Quraysh (p. 301)
.6- Al-Muhaqqiq al-Ardabili’s Majma al-Fa’ida (11:530). 7- Al-Muhaqqiq al-Naraqi’s Mustanad al-Shia (19:452).
8- Al-Muhaqqiq al-Sabzawari’s Kifayat al-Ahkam (p. 307).
9- Al-Sayyid Muhammad Sadiq al-Rawhani’s Fiqh al-Sadiq (24:496).
10- Al-Shahid al-Thani’s Masalik al-Afham (13:270).
11- Al-Shaykh al-Amini’s al-Ghadir (6:136-137).
12- Al-Shaykh al-Tusi’s al-Mabsut (4:272).
13- Tahdhib al-Ahkam (9:362-363).
14- Al-Shaykh al-Jawahiri’s Jawahir al-Kalam (39:308).

What I am trying to say is there were good 22 years in which Ali R.A did cooperated and was a prominent advisor to the Caliphs. I just can’t comprehend that the bravest of all men will do such cowardliness. I think he was very well aware of maqam of all Sahaba and therefore he was an active and prominent figure in Medina, well respected by all Muslims. He could choose to remain inactive in govt policies (like Hz Hassan cut off himself from politics altogether in the time of fitna where Muslims pulled swords on each other), instead Hz Ali seems to have a healthy and prosperous time in Medina during first 3 Caliphs’ time.

All accounts from history shows that there were no such tensions between the great Sahaba and it was all fabricated once Munafiqeen were able to kill Hz Uthman and divided Muslims successfully. That is the point that opportunist were long looking for and took advantage of. Not a single time Ali R.A cursed AbuBakr and Umar in public even when he was in power himself. Nor he was doing Taqqiyyah.

Just think of these points, as I am reading your references as well. The larger picture of the Islamic history is totally against what Shia claims about caliphate time. The hatred opportunists injected among Muslims (specially in Iraq and Syria) for each other is recently repeated by Britishers when they divided Turks and Arabs to eliminate caliphate forever. The Jews were behind these conspiracies back then and they are still not done yet. So lets accept the fact that both Ahle-bayt and Sahaba did their best for the Islam and were hands in hands (Imam Jafar and Abu Hanifa / Imam Malik relationship, for example) for a century and so, until later ppl divided the nation with the books they wrote.

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^bro, u r mixing too many issues here.......if u wish to engage in discussion with Shia then first get urself off propaganda sites and read some real literature like other brothers and I have told u to..........yes, successorship to the Prophet (saww) is the most fundamental issue that sets the school of Shia apart from the other Muslims and it is will be a perfect point to start ur research...........have u read any Nahjul Balagha yet or any other meaningful book from any established & respected author?

And if u feel that u have done ur research and wish to discuss successorship of our Prophet (saww) then I am willing to discuss this very important topic with u......... privately or publicly.......u make the choice and u choose the sources be it Quran, Sunni hadith or established historical facts or all......

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The most simplistic view of history. way off track

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Looks like its us Sunnis who have to do all the work for unity, like look at history from Shia view point, read their hadith book and believe on it, not to read other books that make Taqqiyyah and Mutah integral part of Shia beliefs etc etc and then declare certain or most of Sahaba (including the Badri ones) as zalim, only then this unity is possible and will get ticket to enter into paradise. Respecting both AhleBayt and Sahaba at the same time will not save us from hell-fire, we have to believe in 'real history' and curse enemies of AhleBayt to complete our Imaaan. Shias don't need to denounce their weird but sacred beliefs, they actually don't need to do any research or anything thing else, they have perfect faith, streamed directly from AhleBayt.

May Allah give all of us hidayaa and keep us on right path. Ameen.

lakum deenakum wal yadeen. End of argument from my side.

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How inspiring, I have never heard that one before. :slight_smile:

Though the typical sh!t that you guys have ascribed to our religion that I never heard in any majlis, khutba, or anywhere in my life until I joined forums, is getting annoying now :hehe:

Oh oops.. That’s blatant proof of our taqiyyah. Eek, I just let out the big Shia Secret on Gupshup.

http://www26.brinkster.com/sdolshah1/umtu.html

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Look guys grow up....

Lets try and bridge the gap by understanding things and talking them over... i'm deeply annoyed by childlike attitudes.

Seriously the reason i opened this thread was not to cause argument but to talk over things and come to terms.

I have already drawn many positive conclusions from this discussion.

Presently i'm too tired to write things up and tommorow i might be even more tired.... but come monday i'll give a more thorough post until then. I urge both parties to show calm and restraint.

I request that we stop criticising one anothers beliefs... nobodies keeping score here the lands running with blood.... literally.

We need to stop making fun or looking down upon one or the other faction. What i find alarming is the tendancy of some to bash the other side to hide ones own doubts.... hypocracy from both sides is very disturbing.

We all hold our beliefs and i dont ask that anyone change them.... but what i do ask and desperately seek is to recognise thesedifferences and still prove that more unites us than divides us.

Nobody is right or wrong here... nobody knows for sure Allah ho Alim. But what i do know is bickering is wrong.

Grow up and share positive aspects and discuss the negative aspects of both views.

I'll go more deeply into my own views but presently i have not the strength to continue.

Salaamz and peace to you all.

Consider what i have said and please no one ruin this thread with bickering.... I may be a Sunni but among my best friends on here some are Shia, we stand united... divided we all fall.

Shia and Sunni share a long and mutual ancestry, love it or hate it your both branches of the same tree. Let not the storm break you both.... seek strength in your bond with each other.

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read & compare statements of top Shia and Sunni scholars from Indonesia to Africa and c whose stance is what on the subject of Unity..........

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like look at history from Shia view point,
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there is nothing such as 'Shia history' or 'Sunni history'..........history is only 1........there is only a difference of perspective...........

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read their hadith book and believe on it,
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well, if u r going to go publically pass judgements on them then dont u think u shud do proper research and read their literature first?.......if not then its safer to keep ur lips sealed.......and who is forcing u to "believe" everything that u read?..........its a free world !

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not to read other books that make Taqqiyyah and Mutah integral part of Shia beliefs etc etc
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For us Asool e Deen are 5........I will leave it for u to search them and correct urself.......

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and then declare certain or most of Sahaba (including the Badri ones) as zalim, only then this unity is possible and will get ticket to enter into paradise.
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u r grossly misinformed and showing ur ignorance once again.........Imam Ali (as) praised the early pious companions as the following in Nahjul Balagha, sermon 96:

"I have seen the companions of the Prophet but I do not find anyone resembling them. They began the day with dust on the hair and face (in hardship of life) and passed the night in prostration and standing in prayers. Sometimes they put down their foreheads and sometimes their cheeks. With the recollection of their resurrection it seemed as though they stood on live coal. It seemed that in between their eyes there were signs like knees of goats, resulting from long prostrations. When Allah was mentioned their eyes flowed freely till their shirt collars were drenched. They trembled for fear of punishment and hope of reward as the tree trembles on the day of stormy wind."

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Respecting both AhleBayt and Sahaba at the same time will not save us from hell-fire,
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thats ur personal opinion and not ours.........Allah (swt) and his Prophet (saww) btw asked us for the love of Ahlul Bayt (as) and Quran has made loving them obligatory...........there is no such thing for loving all the Sahabas and to ignore their wrongdoings and crimes.

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... and curse enemies of AhleBayt to complete our Imaaan.
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Verily, those who hurt Allâh and His Messenger, Allâh has cursed them in this world, and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating torment.
Qur'an 33:57

regardless of if anybody does it or not, Allah (swt) himself has cursed the enemies of the Prophet (saww) in both worlds.........and Sunni and Shia hadith once again unanimously mention how the Prophet (saww) said numerously declared his exalted household his own part and warned that hurting them would equal to hurting the Prophet (saww) himself.

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Shias don't need to denounce their weird but sacred beliefs,
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why wud anybody in this world denounce what they themselves believe to be the truth?!?

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they actually don't need to do any research or anything thing else, they have perfect faith, streamed directly from AhleBayt.
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we claim to follow the perfect ones and their teachings, yes............if our faith is perfect or no then Allah (swt) will be the judge of that and not you or anybody else.

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May Allah give all of us hidayaa and keep us on right path. Ameen.
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The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.
Qur'an 1:7

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lakum deenakum wal yadeen. End of argument from my side.
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actually it will be more fitting if u dont attack other Muslims and that too with improper and insufficient basic knowledge abt them..... as Farisudeen said that it only shows ur own insecurities..............instead I wud suggest that if anybody attacks ur faith then turn around and recite this beautiful verse for surely the same verse further reads... "truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error".