How, who, where?
How do we fight jihad against oppression etc in today’s world (Palestine, chechyna, Kashmir etc)
Do we go Kaboommm without bothering about WHO we target, WHERE we target etc.
Anyone understand what I mean?
All those “islamic terrorists” as they are labelled, is Jihad supposed to be fought the way they are fighting?
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This writing provides a lot of answers that you are looking for:
No, that is not the Jihad we are supposed to fight. In this day and age the jihad we fight is through our use of our minds and our knowledge of Islam. Its the war of the "pen", meaning through knowledge and not the jihad of the sword.
Hope this makes it clear.
Jihad of "pen" is one aspect of the Jihad but when Muslims are being oppressed not by pen but by sword they are to respond the same for their protection and survival.
Re: Fighting jihad today
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*Originally posted by little human: *
How, who, where?
How do we fight jihad against oppression etc in today's world (Palestine, chechyna, Kashmir etc)
Do we go Kaboommm without bothering about WHO we target, WHERE we target etc.
Anyone understand what I mean?
All those "islamic terrorists" as they are labelled, is Jihad supposed to be fought the way they are fighting?
~_~
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I think I understand.
And my thinking absolutely goes forward..
My forward thinking leads me to....
Kabooommm = Post Toasties
And there is where I be.
Because IMHO.
I'd rather my story and preaching be of love and forgiveness.
the first step is to use the media to clarify the muslims' position....
unless we do that, all use of power will do ic to create more hatred/misunderstanding for us....
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*Originally posted by Diva4U: *
No, that is not the Jihad we are supposed to fight. In this day and age the jihad we fight is through our use of our minds and our knowledge of Islam. Its the war of the "pen", meaning through knowledge and not the jihad of the sword.
Hope this makes it clear.
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First remove the word Qitaal from quran...then spread these non sense....
Jihad normally being done today is defensive jihad...no need of approval from any muslim khilafah for that...and so what muslim mujahideen as whole are doing today is precisly the best form of jihad.....
be it chechneya...afghanistan kashmir iraq...palestine..anywhere......
we should not be apologetic with what is written in quran.....
however kiling of civilians is prohibited.....and non of the mujahedeen are violating this....
are you mocking my words, because that is pretty rude..
In my opinion, Jihad is about fighting your own "nafs". Its starts with your personal day to day life. It can be as small as fighting the temptation to get involved in the rat race of acquiring more wealth or not attending certain ceremony because it goes against the principles of Islam.
Jihad has been used as an excuse to kill inncoent civilians which has brought nothing but villification and despair for the rest of the Muslims around the world. What we need as Muslims is to change our behavior, educate ourselves and spread the message of Islam with our good deeds.
So is that what you will suggest to people in Palestine, chechyna, Kashmir etc?
which world do you live in? 
Ps. :hug: good to see you around
Interesting thanks for the link
Using the media I guess that’s what Al-Queda is doing most of the time they send their tapes/messages to the Arab media.
:mudhosh:
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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
First remove the word Qitaal from quran...then spread these non sense....
Jihad normally being done today is defensive jihad...no need of approval from any muslim khilafah for that...and so what muslim mujahideen as whole are doing today is precisly the best form of jihad.....
be it chechneya...afghanistan kashmir iraq...palestine..anywhere......
we should not be apologetic with what is written in quran.....
however kiling of civilians is prohibited.....and non of the mujahedeen are violating this....
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Bao Bao Bao
What the muslim muhahideen are doing today is precisly the best form of jihad?? some of the are attacking civilians too!
Can you specifically name whom/which group you are talking about?
Kaleem interesting points...I think we call Holy war on a minor scale - Jihad-e- Asghar and a holy war on a major scale jihad-e-Akber.
basic need of jihad against any nation is U must lead by a majorty .. majorty of muslims... U must lead by a muslim state... No indivisual can declare jihad against any one... islam not allow this ... i am talkin bout fightning .. jihad .. whats happening in Kashmeer in palastine is not jihad .. its freedom fight ... there is a little difference between them ... and we have to understand that difference ..
main thing that we have to understand "no indevisual can declare jihad " like mullah's are doing these days ...
if muslims feels its time to jihad they have to go for it collectivly .. and if a single muslim contry feels ... its government will decide bout it ... coz government leads majorty ...
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*Originally posted by umairahmmadkhan: *
basic need of jihad against any nation is U must lead by a majorty .. majorty of muslims... U must lead by a muslim state... No indivisual can declare jihad against any one... islam not allow this ... i am talkin bout fightning .. jihad .. whats happening in Kashmeer in palastine is not jihad .. its freedom fight ... there is a little difference between them ... and we have to understand that difference ..
main thing that we have to understand "no indevisual can declare jihad " like mullah's are doing these days ...
if muslims feels its time to jihad they have to go for it collectivly .. and if a single muslim contry feels ... its government will decide bout it ... coz government leads majorty ...
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So you mean the "groups"out there today aren't suppose to declare jihad? But instead a state has to ?
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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
In my opinion, Jihad is about fighting your own "nafs". Its starts with your personal day to day life. It can be as small as fighting the temptation to get involved in the rat race of acquiring more wealth or not attending certain ceremony because it goes against the principles of Islam.
Jihad has been used as an excuse to kill inncoent civilians which has brought nothing but villification and despair for the rest of the Muslims around the world. What we need as Muslims is to change our behavior, educate ourselves and spread the message of Islam with our good deeds.
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Surely starts with the "nafs" alright, generally humans don't like to fight and preparing oneself for "qitaal", one surely needs to fight the "nafs" first.
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*Originally posted by umairahmmadkhan: *
basic need of jihad against any nation is U must lead by a majorty .. majorty of muslims... U must lead by a muslim state... No indivisual can declare jihad against any one... islam not allow this ... i am talkin bout fightning .. jihad .. whats happening in Kashmeer in palastine is not jihad .. its freedom fight ... there is a little difference between them ... and we have to understand that difference ..
main thing that we have to understand "no indevisual can declare jihad " like mullah's are doing these days ...
if muslims feels its time to jihad they have to go for it collectivly .. and if a single muslim contry feels ... its government will decide bout it ... coz government leads majorty ...
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Is "freedom fight" allowed in Islam?
What do you do if you are a Palestinian or a Kashmiri or an Afghani and you are getting you hine kicked around? You wait for some so called Muslim state to declare a Jihad on your behalf?
well the live happy and that kind of hippie attitude was in bosnia and kosovo with muslims and serbs. look what happened there. the jihad of the pen was being done in baghdad's universities and mosques before mongols came, look what happened there. this is just a pathetic excuse to avoid responsibility by muslims.
and yes some people who are claiming to be "mujahid" might be doing unislamic actions and we should not defend that, but majority of these "terrorists" are on haqq....are chechens not correct to fight russians who have done so much wrong to them? do you even know that stalin forcibly moved the ENTIRE chechen population of about a million to regugee camps in central asia. something like 200,000 to 300,000 died en route. can you imagine 30 percent of your population killed enroute to your new home? they were herded on livestock rail cars, and had to travel for 12 or so hours before any stop. femals and males were herded in same cars with out respect for the privacy both genders require. there were stories of how femals could not go to the basket in the rail car that was for toilet in front of men and had their kidneys destroyed trying to hold off untill the next stop . this is what we have been facing in kashmir, chechnya, palestine, kosovo, bosina, albania, and afhganistan under soviets. first learn that history then talk about if we should do a jihd of pen, or act like 60's hippies.
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*Originally posted by little human: *
So you mean the "groups"out there today aren't suppose to declare jihad? But instead a state has to ?
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yep U are right they are not supposed to declare jihad .... U remember Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) when living in early days didn't go for jihad ... at one moment he had a little force .. that wants to fight for him but he asked them to leave for Madina ... why ... :) there he ( pBUH )
made a state first and then go for jihad and i think u also know ... how many ppl fight in first jihad 313 :) so it is necessery for some one that state declare jihad ... and
@ chaChoo
don't know bout freedom fight but but talking bout jihad.... in such case if you don't have government mean U don't have state or any occoupied land U cann't declare jihad .. if muslims feel in kasmeer and palastine that jihad has to be fought ... i mean their is no way but only jihad for their freedom then any state like jordon , Sudia etc any or all of them have to fight for these muslims ... else they have no right to fight indivisually... if they have any problem living in kasmeer and palastine and then their is another thing called "HIJRAT" as Hazrat Muhammad did .. they had to move to madina only becoz he wanted a state and wen he made a state and get majority in madina ... he go for jihad ... so ... if palastine leadership says .... jihad ... coz they have occoupid a land, majority etc ... then it will be allowed else small goups are NOT ALLOWED... and in case of kasmeer..... Sorry if this hurts U ... but this is reallity ..... they don't have state or government ... INdian ocouppy this ... Same rule applied ..
Their is no Evidence that ... Hazrat muhammad (PBUH)allow any indivisual to fight jihad... Passive resistant that everyone can do ...
yes bout freedom fight ... Only passive resistant is allowed .. they can high their voices so that other muslims can listen what happening their in kashmeer and palastine ... and then it is others responsibility ... and so on :)
That’s puzzling.
Hazrat Imam Hussain(a.s.) fought with his 72 companions in Karbala. Now there was no state? 
So that was not jihad because no “state” was behind it?
If we go with your logic, what concrete things can the palestinians, chechens, kashmiries do?
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*Originally posted by umairahmmadkhan: *
yep U are right they are not supposed to declare jihad .... U remember Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) when living in early days didn't go for jihad ... at one moment he had a little force .. that wants to fight for him but he asked them to leave for Madina ... why ... :) there he ( pBUH )
made a state first and then go for jihad and i think u also know ... how many ppl fight in first jihad 313 :) so it is necessery for some one that state declare jihad ... and
@ chaChoo
don't know bout freedom fight but but talking bout jihad.... in such case if you don't have government mean U don't have state or any occoupied land U cann't declare jihad .. if muslims feel in kasmeer and palastine that jihad has to be fought ... i mean their is no way but only jihad for their freedom then any state like jordon , Sudia etc any or all of them have to fight for these muslims ... else they have no right to fight indivisually... if they have any problem living in kasmeer and palastine and then their is another thing called "HIJRAT" as Hazrat Muhammad did .. they had to move to madina only becoz he wanted a state and wen he made a state and get majority in madina ... he go for jihad ... so ... if palastine leadership says .... jihad ... coz they have occoupid a land, majority etc ... then it will be allowed else small goups are NOT ALLOWED... and in case of kasmeer..... Sorry if this hurts U ... but this is reallity ..... they don't have state or government ... INdian ocouppy this ... Same rule applied ..
Their is no Evidence that ... Hazrat muhammad (PBUH)allow any indivisual to fight jihad... Passive resistant that everyone can do ...
yes bout freedom fight ... Only passive resistant is allowed .. they can high their voices so that other muslims can listen what happening their in kashmeer and palastine ... and then it is others responsibility ... and so on :)
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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
003.167 : And that He might know the hypocrites; and it was said to them: Come, fight in Allah's way, or defend yourselves. They said: If we knew fighting, we would certainly have followed you. They were on that day much nearer to unbelief than to belief. They say with their mouths what is not in their hearts, and Allah best knows what they conceal.
003.168 : Those who said of their brethren whilst they (themselves) held back: Had they obeyed us, they would not have been killed. Say: Then avert death from yourselves if you speak the truth.
004.074 Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
004.075And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper.
004.076 Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
004.083 And when there comes to them news of security or fear they spread it abroad; and if they had referred it to the Messenger and to those in authority among them, those among them who can search out the knowledge of it would have known it, and were it not for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy, you would have certainly followed the Shaitan save a few
004.084 Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except In relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.
004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-
047.020 And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!
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