fight between good and evil

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over the last four months, 600 pakistani security personnel have been killed by jehadis at the behest of their degenerate arab masters. if you want to see the faces of some of these dead people, you should go to jehadi websites where pictures of dead soldiers have been pasted as trophy kills.

so what has been the reaction in pak to the targetting of security personnel? nada. zilch. media completely downplays jehadi atrocities while our politicians, instead of uniting the country behind the army, have been destablising pakistan in order to achieve their gunda political aims. politicians have a problem with musharraf - fine. but they can still support battle against jihadis while opposing musharraf. instead everyone blames musharraf for jihadism without offering any alternative solution other than to advocate breaking up cooperation with america. if i was an army officer responsible for fighting jehadis, i would be double crossing my country because pakistanis do not care about people who are willing to pay ultimate price to defend pak.

also imagine the reaction in america if america was being targetted as pakistan is today. in such a situation, american politicians would been falling over themselves in advocating hardline solutions. and no media organisation would have the balls to portray killers of americans as heroes. thankfully americans will not shirk from battle if pakistan gives up the fight against jehadis. unlike pakistanis, americans care about the life and safety of their countrymen.

600 security men killed in 28 suicide attacks after Lal Masjid operation

RAWALPINDI: More than 600 hundred security personnel and 1300 civilians were killed in at least 28 suicide attacks conducted after Lal Masjid Opertion.

Talking to media, the high-ups at GHQ said this at a briefing here on Wednesday.

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Root of this "jihadism" is very much based on anti-Americanism. Pakistani govt being an ally of US is then easily seen as root of all evils (atleast in the local areas) or the target of "jihad". The politicians (mostly mullah side) are no different, they see America as the root problem hence they want govt to end alliance with US if their "help" is needed.

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if i was an army officer responsible for fighting jehadis, i would be double crossing my country because pakistanis do not care about people who are willing to pay ultimate price to defend pak.
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Right there, thats where most of our problems lie.... the tax thiefs have their reasoning for not paying tax, policemen have their excuses for taking bribes/not-enforcing-laws, jihadis have their excuses for being jihadi.... you just joined the wrong band-wagon.

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also imagine the reaction in america if america was being targetted as pakistan is today. in such a situation, american politicians would been falling over themselves in advocating hardline solutions. and no media organisation would have the balls to portray killers of americans as heroes. thankfully americans will not shirk from battle if pakistan gives up the fight against jehadis. unlike pakistanis, americans care about the life and safety of their countrymen.
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Have we had democracy for as long as America did? Have our media had such long "freedom"? Things do not come out perfect right from the beginning. They are to be "blamed" but then you have to look at some of the root causes for example what is the IQ level of most "journalism" students in the Universities? What is their knowledge in the subject they are covering etc? How much input the sponsors of those media have provided for being bad? etc. American media when goes against public opinion lose their appeal and their ratings go down, this was not so in Pakistan (when it was free).

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^^^ i agree with your assessment that american policies are to a great extent responsible for their unpopularity in pak. the question is what can pak govt do to change american policy? in my opinion, pak has very little leverage over america i.e. pak can do very little to counter yehudi influence over u.s. foreign policy. in the short run, pak has to work with america. longer term pak has to involve china and muslim countries in the region by building alliances. unfortunately our leaders are smitten by americans and west in general and dont protect the interest of pak when dealing with them. bhutto had the right and made progress in countering america. we need to follow that approach.

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But where does the lawyyyyers community fit into this?

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Those stark facts and figures more than justify why Emergency was a necessity at this time to deal with the terrorist menace in Pakistan. Our high and mighty ex-CJ personally chaired the benches that ordered the release of scores of so-called “missing persons” who were in reality hardened terrorists. Other benches he set up that released terrorists the govt had arrested after the Lal Masjid operation. While some of our media were just egging on the judges because of the animosity to the govt. This situation was getting out of hand, and the Emergency suitably took care of it, and now the govt will be able to devote it’s full energy on hunting down the terrorist scum.

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Bullsh!t has become your regular broadcast I hear. The 600 security personnel didn't die 5 days before the verdict on Mushy' presidency was about to come out, they died over spread of several weeks, preach your idiotic conclusions somewhere else, may be at kids.com or something.

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Our high and mighty ex-CJ personally chaired the benches that ordered the release of scores of so-called "missing persons" who were in reality hardened terrorists.
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and yet again your ignorance continues, the judges who let the terrorists free are part of your Supreme Court again licking some boots, I know you will not respond to my post and run away but I still had to say it

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so what has been the reaction in pak to the targetting of security personnel? nada. zilch. media completely downplays jehadi atrocities while our politicians, instead of uniting the country behind the army, have been destablising pakistan in order to achieve their gunda political aims. politicians have a problem with musharraf - fine. but they can still support battle against jihadis while opposing musharraf. instead everyone blames musharraf for jihadism without offering any alternative solution other than to advocate breaking up cooperation with america. if i was an army officer responsible for fighting jehadis, i would be double crossing my country because pakistanis do not care about people who are willing to pay ultimate price to defend pak
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the sad truth is that human life has no or little value in our part of the world. The same question can be asked of the civilian casualties. Innocent people are dying throughout the country and yet the dictator has shown no real sympathy for them. And nowadays we don't eve hear those cosmetic bayanaat from him after any incident of terrorism. On May 12 while MQM was out on a killing rampage, dictator was enjoying bhangra dance from a rent-a-crowd (imagine Bush attending a GOP fundraising gala on 9/11 evening!). In the US if even one person loses his life due to an act of terrorism, entire federal + state machinery would move with full force (case in point: Atlanta Olympics bombing). Around the world, any government's first priority is to protect its citizens against any external or internal threats. So while the government in Pakistan has pretty much left its people at the mercy of those extremists, why would society care to show any concern for security forces ? a simple matter of quid pro quo.

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I agree. Pakistanis are not giving a rat's behind for what their army and security forces are doing for them. They are so dead set against these people. You know what though? These guys have done so much to rob the country as well. Give me a break - you have retired military generals taking over industry companies? That's RETARDED. In no civil society does that crap happen, but it happens in Pakistan.

Now you see the results. The Pakistani awam doesn't care about their military anymore. Its sad, because of all times, right now the military and Musharraf need the awam's 100% support and they're not getting it. The media didn't want to help out. The media was showing the Lal Masjid goons to be saviors, and they were showing the battle to save Waziristan from extremists to be an atrocity on citizens!!!

I think Pakistanis are

  1. Ill-informed of what's going on in their own borders - partially the fault of the media, and therefore I have lukewarm pity about them being shut down

  2. Too interested in seeing Mush out of office, just because they hate America SOOOOO much.

  3. Biased in their views about extremism - many in Pakistan don't see the difference between their imam giving the azaan and a bunch of armed militants taking over villages in Swat. They think its ok, until it happens to them!!!

I am very frightened over Pakistan's future. This extremism grows, and what's going to happen if the country gets taken over by militants, and Pakistan's flag comes down and the black and white Taliban flag goes up in Islamabad?

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yes CJ personally was responsible for releasing the hardcore terrorists … damn him.

Govt frees 25 militants in exchange for 213 hostages

TANK, Nov 4: The government on Sunday freed 25 militants in exchange for the release of 213 army personnel who were held hostage in South Waziristan for more than two months.

Military spokesperson Maj-Gen Waheed Arshad confirmed that 211 soldiers had been released and said that 25 militants who had been arrested under the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) were also freed. Some of the freed militants had been convicted by an anti-terrorism court

“I can’t say anything about the physical condition of soldiers at this moment, but there will be a debriefing session and medical check-up of all the released soldiers,” he told Dawn by phone from Islamabad.

He said that 211 soldiers were released on Sunday while two had been freed on Saturday.

Sources said that militants had brought 213 soldiers to Tiarza Khula, a remote area in South Waziristan, and handed them over to tribal elders. The military authorities brought the 25 militants in two helicopters to the brigade headquarters in Zari Noor colony near Wana. They were later taken to Tiarza Khula for the swap.

The sources said that seven militants had been released from the central jail in Dera Ismail Khan and 18 had been brought from Islamabad.

Zulfiqar Mehsud, spokesman for Baitullah Mehsud, and his deputy Fakher Alam Mehsud handed over the soldiers to a jirga headed by former MNA Maulvi Mirajuddin.

Militants had on Aug 30 kidnapped 247 army personnel, including eight officers, in the Momi Karam area of South Waziristan. Later, 31 soldiers were released and three were shot dead. The sources said that militants had returned weapons, vehicles and communication equipment captured from the military personnel.

Mr Mirajuddin, who brokered the deal, said that issue had been resolved amicably and the two sides agreed to implement the Sararogha peace accord in letter and spirit.

Sources in Peshawar told Dawn that the NWFP government had also withdrawn seven terrorism cases pending before the anti-terrorism court in Dera Ismail Khan against some of the arrested militants.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/05/top4.htm

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This is how you fight the menace of terrorism … good job dictator !!!

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Again, trading people is not an uncommon thing to do, especially when you have no use for those militants anymore. What's taking 20 something of their people, when they've got over a 100 of yours. The swap is in the army's favor.

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wow! what a weird logic. so why even have jails & a juidicial system then. Catch & release ... are we on some fishing trip ?

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and those released by supreme court were very useful for the govt? how so?