Can anyone here shed some light on the subject of fidak the property of Hz Fatima - which was snatched from her by Hz Umar bin Khatab and later handed to her great grandson by Hz Umar bin Abdul Aziz.
the words snatched clearly indicates that u want a debate of hate here.. there are many interpretations to that issue.. and historians give many facets to trhat incidence and one can believe the ones the person likes..it may be a matter of great importance to some and others dont care.. those misunderstandings have no impact on muslims. and we have a lot to mend and look forward today then to fight for something that happened long back..
Whats wrong with a debate? Why is debate associated to hatred?
You have another word for it Degas... This is the exact translation I found from a number of historians and books whether muslim or not.
Secondly you say that it is your will to believe what you want and leave the rest - how can you turn back on factual history (Nothings optional in religion or history you know) you have the strangest notions I have ever heard on the matter of religion or religious history.
And to profess any religion in modern times you should have your facts straight and history clear. should'nt you
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You have another word for it Degas... **This is the exact translation I found from a number of historians and books whether muslim or not.*
Secondly you say that it is your will to believe what you want and leave the rest - how can you turn back on factual history (Nothings optional in religion or history you know) you have the strangest notions I have ever heard on the matter of religion or religious history.
And to profess any religion in modern times you should have your facts straight and history clear. should'nt you
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Which books...I want names and authors...
here are some of the books
Sawaiqul muhriqa
Wafa al Wafa (as samudi)
Tabari vol 9
Tareekh-e-Khamees Vol 2
Tareekh-e-Kamil Vol 2
At Tareekh ibn Khuldun vol2
Sharah ibn al hadid vol 6
Tareekh ibn khateer vol 5
Al Bayhaqi Vol 4
Yaqubi History Vol 2
Sahih Muslim Vol 5
Sahih Tirmizi Vol 3
Sahih Bukhari hadtih 9:408
Sirah al Umar ibn Abd al Aziz inb al Jawzi
sorry some one had asked abt tihs but requested it in urdu so its in urdu but ill translate later if u want.....
Fatih khaebar kay baad paros kay basnay walon kay dilon per muslimano ke qoat ka aesa asar hoa kay unhon nay baghair muqabla kiye ataat kabool kar le....kuch sharaiat kay baad nateja yeh nikla kay ahle fidak zameno per esay he kam karen gay jesay ahle khaibar ko hazoor nay farmaiya tha...fidak hazoor ke khidmat main bator sulah dia gia ir isay "FAY" ya "anfal" kaha gaye ga ..is liye quran kay mutabik hazoor ke zati malkiat karar paye ga ....
surah hashar:
" jo kuch khuda nay apnay paeghambar ko in logon say dilvadia tum nay is per ounth(camel) our ghoray(horse)nahen doraye thay laken khuda apnay paeghambron ko jis tarah chahta hay taslat ata karta hay our Allah her cheez per kadir hay"
Hazrat Umer nay kaha hay "fidak sirf rasole khuda kay liye tha" ( sahih al bukhari, babul khams, bab al maghazi, bab almeeras)
fadak rasol ke malkiat tha our jab ayat "wat zilqurba haqa" nazil hoe to hazoor nay isay sayeda Fatima kay nam per muntakil kar dia
refrene:1.Ma'arijal nabowat rukan 4, volume 2, page 221, 311 molafa mala'en
2. Roza tul safa volume. 2, page. 135
3. tareekh habib alsaer volume 1, juz 3, page 85
4. tareekh islam alama abasi page. 136
Darga zail kitabon main hay kay sayeda FAtima nay hazrat abu bakar ko dikhaea magar uno nay na mana :
1. sharh mavakif page. 735
2. fatwa al baldan p. 38
3. tareekh yaaqoobi volume 3, p.196
4. Tafseer dar mansoor alams jalal udeen sayoti juz 4 p.177
hazrat umer ka tahreer ko cheen kay pharna in kitabon main hay:
1. seerat halbiya volume 3, p.400
2. Tazkarah khawas ilaama sibt ibn jozi