FIA arrests person for expressing blasphemous thoughts to Ansar Abbasi

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I never said that he legally breached the law. Much shameful behaviour happens within the law in Pakistan, unfortunately.

that much is upto personal reaction and thought process. Legally no breach of any law is in place if one reports what i find as distasteful incident as this. The person in question was writing to a journalist and he was deliberately offensive. If you care to go through the article you posted after investigating him it was found that this was a regular occurrence. So the privacy or whatever to me appears a flimsy excuse of being deliberately offensive to others and their believes. If personally i was recieving abusive email i wouldn’t try to ignore it i would take what action i legally could against that person.

And the mosque he built was burnt without evidence?

i might be wrong as i said i am not certain and maybe you have a point there.

Not, in the early period of Islam. After that, sure.

Actually whilst discussing this with you i took the matter through a bit of research so that i donot give you historic incidents without reference. This one incident where one person was killed for blasphemy, and this did not take place during jihad the only reason was the blasphemy.

1. One was Kab b al Ashraf. A poet who frequently wrote poetry to denigrate Prophet pbuh (this instance comes perfectly under you freedom of thought and expression).

"Narrated Jabir Abdullah: "Allah’s messenger said “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?” Thereupon Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s messenger! Would you like that I kill him?” The prophet said, “Yes”. Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka’b). The prophet said, “You may say it.”

Maslama went to Ka’b and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad) demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) [taxes] from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Ka’b said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” Ka’b said, “Yes, but you should mortgage something to me.” Maslama and his companion said, What do you want?" Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so and so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you.”

Maslama and his companion promised Ka’b that Maslama would return to him. He came to Ka’b at night along with Ka’b’s foster brother, Abu Naila. Ka’b invited them to come into his fort and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Ka’b replied, None but Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Naila have come." His wife said, “I hear a voice as if blood is dropping from him.” Ka’b said, "They are none by my brother Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.

Maslama went with two men. So Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strike him. I will let you smell his head.”

Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Maslama said, “I have never smelt a better scent than this.” Ka’b replied, “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said “yes.” Maslama smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said “Yes”. When Maslama got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions) “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the prophet and informed him."

Kab al Ashraf

My personal understanding so far has been it doesnt have to a death penalty only. It depends on the case and ulemas abotu what they decree, it could be life imprisonment or some other form of penalty. In pakistan so far this has been the take of ulemas and they have their reasons. Both death penalty and others were given as you can see thtrough history during prophet’s time.

Oh but it has changed since 9/11. Muslims have faced discriminatory laws, at which they have been vocally protesting for a long time, rightfully so. Without much of a moral ground though, if they support laws like this.

If you truly think laws of pakistan will in turn shape the laws regarding muslim in western countries than that is a speculative claim. I personally donot see any connection what so ever , other wise the appeasement policy that most muslim countries and especially pakistan follows should make us the heroes of west. There is a death penalty in some countries for drug trafficking, in some countries the concept of capital punishment is shunned. There are difference in this world why should i be ashamed of what i find to be a punishable offence? I certainly donot consider offending anyone and their holy scriptures and figures (and that too regualrly) an act that should be ignored.

Why?

sense and sensibilities of us humans. Common regard and basic politeness for another.

So where should Muslims in say, India, migrate to? Would you like them to be killed because say someone laughed at a cow being worshipped, or said thats not right a cow is just an animal?

why must they make fun of others? In the case of punishment for blasphemy all the guilty has to do is repent to be spared the penalty. If muslim anywhere are stupid enough to write inflammatory material to natives and then insist upon their right to express themselves then yes they will deserve what they come towards them. In any case muslim are prohibited from being offensive to others and their holy figures. Bear in mind hear the key term is offensive , not believing that cow is god is not offensive but saying inflammatory stuff to a hindu is offensive.

Yes, especially in a case like this, where the ‘blasphemous thoughts’ were a private conversation

If they did breach privacy, yes.

Right so before he went on to send the email to abbasi he said this is between you and me and then when he was responded to he again revised his stupidity by subsequent mail. Really there is nothing private about this. If somebody writes me an email disrespecting or abusing my parents do you think i will dance aroudn the issue of privacy?

Once again, I am not talking about secular standards being imposed on Pakistan. If you think Muslims in minority status abroad should not demand freedom of religion, thought and expression (as they have vocally been doing for the past 9 years) we have no dispute.

freedom of religion is something , freedom of beign stupid and hurtful always comes at a price.

We cannot have it both ways, kill people for ‘blasphemous thoughts’ in our own country and demand freedom of thought and association elsewhere.

and we cant have it both ways. we either are muslims or not. To me one can talk about the nature of penalty but to ask a muslim to just ignore abuse that is specifically directed (since abbasi didnt read his diary)at them is a suggestion that is just not acceptable. and i hope it never becomes acceptable trend.