Few hadiths you may like to see

After reading a fairly judgemental view of Abbas sahib on the first three caliphs, I’d like to quote few ‘sahih’ hadiths from Sahih Bukhari.

Thanks for reading.

Note: a) “best family among us” meant having most people with taqwa and the strength of character needed to act as a leader - Quraish had the most literate people at that time too, b) Hazrat Abu Bakr’s speech after he became caliph, remains one of the most potent lines ever delivered in human history. As muslims we can’t thank him enough, considering how he handle the most traumatic time in our history - the death of our Prophet (pbuh) and held together the budding empire. I’ll find that speech later and post it here.

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Salam deepBLUE and friends, (and foes too)

me back again.. say, "welcome back Xalim" :)
well well, I am here for just few more days ..so breathe normally now..

anyways, lets come to the topic..
I wonder why Ali Abbas and my other Shia brothers and sisters kept a close lip on this post. No doubt the references you jot are very authentic ones and contradicts their beliefs.

Beside all these references the most important question which comes to mind is that, when Ali(ra) took the oath of allegiance at hands of the former three Caliphs, then who are they to discard them? Who has given them the right to do so?

Shias have no right to accuse and reject them deceitfully. This is not only against their own doctrine but also an insult to those pious personalities.

Thats all I want to say..

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Just to refresh the missing points, I would like to narrate the whole story in few words again.

After the cruel murder of Othman ‘ra (I call him Martyr) there was a panic in Medina. The miscreants, who were outsiders, had full control of the town. The insurgents belonging to the party of Ibn-Sabaa who attacked Othman were two thousand strong. Besides these there were some simple men who sympathized with the miscreants. In view of the disorder that prevailed, some notable Companion of the Holy Prophet 'sa approached Ali and asked him to assume the office of the next Caliph. But Ali was very unwilling and said, "Appoint someone else and let me work as his adviser and minister".

But the people insisted and said that there was no man better suited for the post. So Ali ‘ra yielded to their request but insisted that proceedings in this respect must not be held behind closed doors and that the general consensus of the Muslims should be sought. The Muslims of Medina gathered in the Nabwi Mosque and at the persistent request of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, all present at the time took the oath of allegiance at Ali's hand. Ali was thus elected the fourth lawful Successor to the Holy Prophet ‘sa.

According to the dissenters who had caused the upheaval against Othman, only Ali was the lawful claimant to the Khilafat. All the three previous Caliphs were usurpers and tyrants in their opinion. Let us examine this theory, and see what All himself thought about this obnoxious point of view.

Ali's Vindication of Abu Bakr ‘ra,

Ibn-i-Asakar has mentioned that Imam Hasan, the eldest son of All, once told him that, "during his Caliphate Ali once visited Basrah, and Quais bin 'Ibadah and Ibn-i-Kua' requested him to throw some light on the point whether it was correct that the Holy Prophet 'sa had, in his bequest, nominated him (Ali) as his successor since no evidence could be more authentic than his own.

Ali replied,

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*"These men here, circulated the view that the Holy Prophet 'sa had made a bequest of succession in my favor. This is absolutely wrong. Remember that I was the first to acknowledge His prophethood, can I lay this falsehood at his door and attribute an untrue statement to him. If the Holy Prophet 'sa had made such a bequest in my favor, I would have most certainly not allowed Abu Bakr and Omar bin Khattab to stand on the pulpit of the Holy Prophet 'sa, I would have instead slain them both with my own hands even though I had no one to back me. The facts are that the Holy Prophet 'sa was neither slain nor did he die suddenly. But, as everyone knows, he was ill for many days. During this illness the man who called people for prayers used to go to him and inquire whether he (the Holy Prophet 'sa) would lead the prayers and he used to reply that Abu Bakr should be asked to lead the prayers. Most certainly he did know my position and my status. One of his wives even asked him not to depute Abu Bakr in his place at which he got annoyed and said, *"You women are also like the women of the time of Joseph. Go and tell Abu Bakr to lead the prayers-"

When the Holy Prophet ‘sa died we took counsel and elected the very same man to be our leader whom the Holy Prophet ‘sa had selected to lead us in the matter of faith. Since prayer is the essence of faith and the Holy Prophet ‘sa was the Head of the Faith who founded it, so we took the oath of allegiance at the hand of Abu Bakr and very truly did he deserve it. In this matter there was not a single dissenter among us and none of us ever thought of doing him any harm. And no one was ever disappointed about him. For this very reason I did my duty towards him and always obeyed him and fought for him as a soldier of Islam. Very gratefully I accepted whatever he awarded me and used to go and fight wherever he commanded me to go. Under his command I used to enforce the law of Islam". **
[Tarikh-ul-Khulafa by Siyuti: p.222:22].

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In another sermon which he delivered to his army when marching towards Basra, Ali Said,

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“When the Holy Prophet(sa) died Allah united the Muslims at the hand of Abu Bakr. He was succeeded by Omar who, in his turn was succeeded by Othman. Then we witness the calamity of his assassination owing to the avaricious motives of certain clans, which caused great disruption. This infidelity was the result of severe heart burning of those who would not submit to the authority of their own brethren whom Allah had blessed with that authority. So they tried to revert to the old days when no consideration was given to the better ones. Be warned that we shall march to Basra tomorrow. No one should go with us who took even slightest part in the shameful murder of Othman. Such stupid and thick-skulled men must be separated from me.”

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There are number of narrations which proves that Ali always praise all the caliphs. It is the later deviations caused by the infidels (Kharijities), leads to the concept of such erroneous beliefs and factions.

I am not saying that we oppose Ali(ra), infact we rank him the honor and respect, he deserves.

wa’salam

Xalim :::: [email protected]

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Zalim:

I would like to say that brother Ali Abbas has already coverd this Topic you may also check his posting “QURAN and SUNNAH or QURAN and AHL AL BAYT” at:

www.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000353.html

In addition I would like to add excerpts that were taken from:

Orientalists and the Event of Ghadir Khumm
Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi

(Published in Ghadir, 1990)

It was at Ghadir Khum where the Prophet said the following about Imam Ali: ‘Whomsoever’s master (mawla) I am, this Ali is also his master.’ This event is of such a significance to the Shi’as that no serious scholar of Islam can ignore it.

A brief narration of the event of Ghadir Khum:

While returning from his last pilgrimage, Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace, received the following command of Allah:

‘O Messenger! Convey what had been revealed to you from your Lord; if you do not do so, then [it would be as if] you have not conveyed His message [at all]. Allah will protect you from the people’ (5:67).

Therefore he stopped at Ghadir Khum on Dhil-Hijjah 18, 10 A.H. to convey the message to the pilgrims before they dispersed. As it was very hot, a dais shaded with branches was constructed for him. Then the Prophet gave a long sermon. At one point, he asked his faithful followers whether he, Muhammad, had more authority (awla) over the believers than they had over themselves; the crowd cried out: ‘Yes, it is so, O Apostle of Allah!’ Then he took Ali by the hand and declared:

‘Whomever’s master (mawla) I am, this Ali is also his master’ (Man kuntu mawlahu fa hadha Aliyun mawlahu).

Then the Prophet also announced his impending death and charged the believers to remain attached to the Qur’an and Ahl al-Bayt. This summarizes the important parts of the event of Ghadir Khum.

Although the Medinan community was silent during the events which kept Imam Ali away from the khilafah, there were many among them who had witnessed the declaration of Ghadir Khum. On quite a few occasions, Imam Ali implored the sahaba of the Prophet to bear witness to the declaration of Ghadir. One instance which took place in Kufa during the khilafah of Imam Ali, 24 years after the Prophet’s death.

Imam Ali heard that some people were doubting his claim of precedency over the previous khulafah, therefore, he came to a gathering at the mosque and implored the eyewitnesses of the event of Ghadir Khum to verify the truth of the Prophet’s declaration about his being the lord and master of all the believers. Many sahaba of the Prophet stood up and verified the claim of Imam Ali. We have the names of 24 of those who testified on behalf of Imam Ali, although other sources like the Musnad of Ibn Hanbal and Majma’ az-Zawa’id of Hafiz al-Haythami put that number at 30. Also bear in mind that this incident took place 25 years after the event of Ghadir Khum, and during this period hundreds of eyewitnesses had died naturally or in the battles fought during the first two khulafah’s rule. Add to this the fact that this incident took place in Kufa which was far from the centre of the sahabas, Medina. This incident which took place in Kufa in the year 35 A.H. has itself been narrated by four sahaba and 14 tabi’un and has been recorded in most books of history and tradition[1].

[1]For full references, see Al-Amini, Al-Ghadir, Vol 1, Tehran: Mu’assatul Muwahhidi, 1976, pp 166-186.

Zalim said:

The event of Ghadir Khum is a very good example to trace the Sunni bias.Those who are well-versed with the polemic writings of Sunnis know that whenever the Shi’as present a hadith or a historical evidence in support of their view, a Sunni polemicist would respond in the following manner:

Firstly, he will outright deny the existence of any such hadith or historical event. Secondly, when confronted with hard evidence from his own sources, he will cast doubt on the reliability of the transmitters of that hadith or event. Thirdly, when he is shown that all the transmitters are reliable by Sunni standards, he will give an interpretation to the hadith or the event which will be quite different from that of the Shi’as.

So who’s being deceitful???
Whether you agree or disagree let the readers themselves be the judge before you make such claims about Shia’s insulting pious personalities. Where’s the insults? Mohammed [pbuh] himself appointed Ali as his sucessor and thats what we Shia’s believe in. The event of Ghadir Khum is a historical fact which cannot be rejected

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quotes from Zalim's Post:

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when the Holy Prophet ‘sa died we(sunni's) took counsel and elected...
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Ali was thus elected the fourth lawful Successor to the Holy Prophet ‘sa.
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I also wanted to add that how can the Ummah elect a sucessor let alone electing Ali to be the fourth sucessor?????
When Allah himself Commanded to Prophet Mohammed:

'O Messenger! Convey what had been revealed to you from your Lord; if you do not do so, then [it would be as if] you have not conveyed His message [at all]. Allah will protect you from the people' (5:67).

Thus it was at Ghadir Khum where Prophet conveyed Allah's command and designated Ali to be the rightful sucessor.

Now one has to wonder that when Allah has sent Prophet Mohammed to be his Messanger. How could he not have stated a rightful sucessor (which is Ali) to lead the Ummah after the Prophets Death???
Well Allah did!!!! and that event took place at Ghadir Khum

Whether the Sunni's agree or disagree this is what I believe as a Shia

Salam Naazish Sis,

Thankyou for your expressing your thoughts, let me get back to you.. hold on plzz

for now, I just want to point out that what you have quoted from my reply is not appropriate..
you quoted...

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ZALIM: “....when the Holy Prophet ‘sa died we(sunni's) took counsel and elected....”

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Over here I am not emphasizing Shiaism or Sunnism, in-fact these are the actual words of Hadhrat Ali(ra) and by the word “WE”, he means the Muslims present at that time along with him. Please read again , the “inverted commas” has not been closed. For the purpose of integrity I break the speech into two paragraphs. Sorry for the inconvenience being caused.

wa;salam

XALIM :::: [email protected]

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Nazish,

Firstly, he will outright deny the existence of any such hadith or historical event. Secondly, when confronted with hard evidence from his own sources, he will cast doubt on the reliability of the transmitters of that hadith or event. Thirdly, when he is shown that all the transmitters are reliable by Sunni standards, he will give an interpretation to the hadith or the event which will be quite different from that of the Shi'as.<

Same thing can be said from any other perspective about shias. Things are always open to interpretation, that's why the interpretation has to be in line with the overall picture. The event you quoted can be interpreted in many ways, and if your interpretation is indeed true, it goes against many other hadiths and traditions (some of which in fact were narrated by Hazrat Ali (RA) himself) Why would such an important revelation, not discussed further by prophet (pbuh) and why would he give entirely opposite indications (which you can see from the hadiths I wrote above) ?

It's perfectly valid to interpret different things, but it's logical to choose an interpretation which fits other traditions like a jigsaw piece and not one which sticks out like a sour thumb.

In this case, however, your interpretation is challenged by none other than Hazrat Ali RA himself. I can quote many hadiths (from him) which would show his views on first three caliphs. Zalim quoted Hazrat Ali's "direct" reply to a question (a reply, that shouldn't be open to any interpretation) The only argument you can make is to say that these traditions are weak or the narrators were lying....

... and then we come back full circle to the thing you are blaming other people for.

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Bismihi Ta’la
Assalam o alaikum

In the threads that followed to the topic: “Few hadiths you may like to see”, there are many issues being discussed here and to somewhat keep them in a flow is very difficult. The reason being that the issue of merit and superiority (afdaliyyah) has always been dictated and argued by the ahlal sunna as one deserving merit, and their claim that Imam Ali [a] never did put forward his claim for the caliphate.

My take on the issue of being superior is very simple: both sides will share their traditions to justify their position. I have to look at what happened in history and more importantly look at over whelming evidence. The tendency to rely on one “quote” and make it the basis of ones argument is generally a sign of weakness, in my humble opinion. How-ever to the issue of afdaliyyah, I must say that there is no merit more deserving and superior than being from the ahlul bayt. It was for this reason and this reason alone that Umar wanted to bind his hands in marriage with the duaghter of Imam Ali [a]. generally, those who indulge in the issue of superiority fall into what we call petitio principe, that is begging the question: so you all can beg and apply that principle, but it is to no avail 

To begin with, let me summarize the quote from as-Suyuti’s, Tarikhul Khulafa [that luckily has been translated into english, Major H.S Barrett, Karachi, Pakistan and also by Taha Publishers under the title ‘The Caliphs who took the Right Way’], as under

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1 – imam Ali’s outright rejection that never was a bequest of succession made to his honor. This is in contradiction with several historical precedents and also a quranic aya, that certainly over weighs any historical material.

Narrated Ibn Humayed, from Salamah, from Muhammad Ibn Is’haq, from Abd al- Ghaffar Ibn al-Qasim, from al-Minhal Ibn Amr, from abdallah Ibn al-HarithIbn Nawfal Ibn al-Harith Ibn Abd al-Muttalib, from Abdallah Ibn Abbas, fromAli Ibn Abi Talib:

When the verse “And warn your close tribe (Quran 26:214)” was revealed to the prophet, he called me and said to me, “Ali, God has commanded me to warn my tribe of near kindred. I was troubled by this, since I knew that when I discuss the matter to them they would respond in a way which I would not like. I kept silent until Gabriel came to me and said “If you do not do what you are commanded, your Lord will punish you.” So prepare a measure of wheat for us, add a leg of lamb to it, fill a large bowl of milk for us, and then invite sons of Abd al- Muttalib for me so that I may speak to them what I have been commanded to tell them.”

I did what he had told me to do. At that time they numbered forty men more or less, including his uncles Abu Talib, Hamzah, al-Abbas, and Abu Lahab. When they had gathered together, he called me to bring the food which I had prepared. I brought it, and when I put it down, prophet took a piece of meat, broke it with his teeth, put it in the dish. Then he said, “Take in the name of God.” They ate until they could eat no more, and yet the food was as it had been. I swear by God, in whose hand Ali’s soul rests, that a single man could have eaten the amount of food which I prepared for them. Then he said “Give them something to drink.” So I brought them the bowl and they drank from it until they became full, and I swear by God that one man could have drunk that amount. When prophet wanted to speak to them, Abu Lahab interrupted him and said “Your host has long since bewitched you.” Then they dispersed without the prophet speaking to them. On the following day he said to me “Ali, this man interrupted what I wanted to say so that people dispersed before I could speak to them. Prepare the same food for us as you did yesterday, and invite them here.” I did this, and brought them food when he called me. He did as he had done the other day, and they ate until they could eat no more.

Then he said, “Bring the bowl,” and they drank until they could drink no more. Then he spoke to them, saying, “Banu Abd al-Muttalib, I don’t know of any young man among Arabs who has brought for his people something better than what I have brought to you. I bring the best of this world and the world after, since God has commanded me to summon you to him. Which of you will aid me in this matter, so that he will be my brother, my executor (Wasi), my successor (Caliph) among you?” They all held back, and even though I was the youngest, I said “I will be your helper, O’ prophet of God.” He put his hand on the back of my neck and said “This is my brother, my executor (Wasi), my successor (Caliph) among you, so listen to him and obey him.” They rose up laughing and saying to Abu Talib, “He has commanded you to obey your son and to obey him!”

(1) History of al-Tabari, English version, v6, pp 88-91
(2) History of Ibn Athir, v2, p62
(3) History of Ibn Asakir, v1, p85
(4) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v5, p97
(5) Tafsir al-Khazin, by Ala’uddin al-Shafi’i, v3, p371
(6) Shawahid al-Tanzil, by al-Hasakani, v1, p371
(7) Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, p15, pp 100-11
(8) al-Sirah al-Halabiyah, v1, p31
(9) Dala’il al-Nabawiyyah, by al-Baihaqi, v1, pp 428-430
(10 al-Mukhtasar, by Abul Fida, v1, pp 116-117
(11) Life of Muhammad, by Hasan Haykal, p104 (First Arabic Edition only. In the second edition the last sentence of Prophet is deleted.)
(12) Tahdhib al-Athar, v4, pp 62-63.

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2 – also the appointment of imam Ali [a] at Ghadir Khum is un-disputed and can be read at www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter3/2.html . It was on this basis that imam Ali [a] made claim to his succession many a times, and it also reminded his contemporaries at these occasions

1–On the day of Shura (Election Day for Uthman)
2–During the days of Uthman’s rule
3–The Day of Rahbah (year 35) where 24 companions stood up and swore that they attended and heard the tradition of the Prophet (PBUH) first hand, twelve of whom were the warriors of Badr.
4–The Day of Jamal (the War of Camel, year 36) where he reminded Talha. - The Day of the Riders where 9 witnesses testified.

About the Battle of Camel, al-Hakim and Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and others recorded that:

We were in the camp of Ali on the day of Battle of Camel, where Ali sent for Talha to talk to him (before the beginning of war). Talha came forward, and Ali told him: I adjure you by Allah! Didn’t you hear the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) when he said: `Whoever I am his MAWLA, this Ali is his MAWLA. O God, love whoever loves him, and be hostile to whoever is hostile to him’?" Talha replied: “Yes.” Ali said: “Then why do you want to fight me?”

  • al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 169,371
    -Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, on the authority of Ilyas al-Dhabbi- Muruj al-Dhahab, by al-Mas’udi, v4, p321
    -Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, p107

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal recorded in his Musnad that: Abu Tufayl narrated that He (Ali) gathered the people in the plain of Rahbah (on year 35 AH) and adjured in the name of Allah every Muslim male present there who had heard the proclamation of al-Ghadir from the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) to stand up and testify what they had heard from the Messenger on the Day of Ghadir. Thereupon thirty (30) men stood up and gave evidence that the Prophet grasped Ali’s hand and said to the audience: “He (Ali) has superior authority over those who believe me to have superiority over their lives. O Allah! Love him who loves him and hate him who hates him.” Abu Tufayl says that it was in a state of great mental agitation that he left the plain of Rahbah, for the Muslim masses had not complied with the tradition. He therefore called on Zaid Ibn Arqam and told him what he heard from Ali. Zaid told him not to entertain any doubt about it for he himself had heard the Messenger of Allah uttering those words.

  • Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p370

also:

Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abu Laylah said: I witnessed Ali administering an oath to the people in the plain of Rahbah. Ali said: “I adjure those of you in the name of Allah who heard the Messenger of Allah on the day of Ghadir saying `Ali is the Mawla of whom I am Mawla’ to stand up and to testify. He who was not an eyewitness doesn’t need to stand up.” Thereupon twelve (12) such companions who had participated in the Battle of Badr stood up. The occasion is still fresh in my memory.

  • Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p119, see also v5, p366
  • Khasa’is, by al-Nisa’i, pp 21,103, narrated similar to above on the authority of three others: Umayah Ibn Sa’d, Zaid Ibn yathigh, and Sa’id Ibn Wahab.

It is also recorded that: When Ali said to Anas: “Why don’t you stand up and testify what you heard from the Messenger of Allah on the day of Ghadir?” He answered, “O Amir al-Mumineen! I have grown old and do not remember.” Thereupon Ali said: “May Allah mark you with a white spot (of leprosy; Alphosis) unconcealable with your turban, if you are intentionally withholding the truth.” And before Anas got up from his place he bore a large white spot on his face, Thereafter Anas used to say, “I am under the curse of the righteous servant of Allah.”

  • al-Ma’arif, by Ibn Qutaybah, p14, in the account of Anas among disabled persons.
  • Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p199, where he testifies to the above anecdote, as he says : “All stood up except three persons who came under the curse of Ali.”
  • Hilyatul Awliya’, by Abu Nu’aym, v5, p27

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3 – the second piece of the quote from as-Suyuti’s Tarikh states that imam Ali and other took counsel for the matter of the succession to the caliph. The fact of the matter is that the Banu Hashim was busy burying the Prophet (peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr, Umar and Abu Ubaidah were to busy wrangling over who was going to be the successor with the Ansar. In the tradition from Sahih al Bukhari [see below], it is evident from the words of Umar that “the pledge of allegiance given to Abu Bakr was given suddenly and it was successful. No doubt, it was like that, but Allah saved (the people) from its evil …”

Also the tradition outright throws out the claim that the ansar and the muhajirun were present TOGETHER. Also Umar says that “'By Allah, if ‘Umar should die, I will give the pledge of allegiance to such-and-such person.’, history tells us that this such-andsuch-person was none but Imam Ali [a] himself.

The dis-agreement with the ansar is in contrast to the rosy picture presented from the historical work of as Suyuti’s ‘Tarikhul Khulafa’.

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.817

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: I used to teach (the Qur’an to) some people of the Muhajirln (emigrants), among whom there was 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Auf. While I was in his house at Mina, and he was with 'Umar bin al-Khattab during 'Umar’s last Hajj, Abdur-Rahman came to me and said, “Would that you had seen the man who came today to the Chief of the Believers ('Umar), saying, 'O Chief of the Believers! What do you think about so-and-so who says, 'If ‘Umar should die, I will give the pledge of allegiance to such-and-such person, as by Allah, the pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr was nothing but a prompt sudden action which got established afterwards.’ 'Umar became angry and then said, 'Allah willing, I will stand before the people tonight and warn them against those people who want to deprive the others of their rights (the question of rulership).”

… In the meantime, 'Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, 'Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said,…

… (O people!) I have been informed that a speaker amongst you says, 'By Allah, if ‘Umar should die, I will give the pledge of allegiance to such-and-such person.’ One should not deceive oneself by saying that the pledge of allegiance given to Abu Bakr was given suddenly and it was successful. No doubt, it was like that, but Allah saved (the people) from its evil, and there is none among you who has the qualities of Abu Bakr. Remember that whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody among you without consulting the other Muslims, neither that person, nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given, are to be supported, lest they both should be killed.

And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of Bani Sa’da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us, while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr. I said to Abu Bakr, ‘Let’s go to these Ansari brothers of ours.’ So we set out seeking them, and when we approached them, two pious men of theirs met us and informed us of the final decision of the Ansar, and said, ‘O group of Muhajirin (emigrants) ! Where are you going?’ We replied, ‘We are going to these Ansari brothers of ours.’ They said to us, ‘You shouldn’t go near them. Carry out whatever we have already decided.’ I said, ‘By Allah, we will go to them.’ And so we proceeded until we reached them at the shed of Bani Sa’da. Behold! There was a man sitting amongst them and wrapped in something. I asked, ‘Who is that man?’ They said, 'He is Sa’d bin ‘Ubada.’ I asked, ‘What is wrong with him?’ They said, ‘He is sick.’ After we sat for a while, the Ansar’s speaker said, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and praising Allah as He deserved, he added, ‘To proceed, we are Allah’s Ansar (helpers) and the majority of the Muslim army, while you, the emigrants, are a small group and some people among you came with the intention of preventing us from practicing this matter (of caliphate) and depriving us of it.’

When the speaker had finished, I intended to speak as I had prepared a speech which I liked and which I wanted to deliver in the presence of Abu Bakr, and I used to avoid provoking him. So, when I wanted to speak, Abu Bakr said, ‘Wait a while.’ I disliked to make him angry. So Abu Bakr himself gave a speech, and he was wiser and more patient than I. By Allah, he never missed a sentence that I liked in my own prepared speech, but he said the like of it or better than it spontaneously. After a pause he said, ‘O Ansar! You deserve all (the qualities that you have attributed to yourselves, but this question (of Caliphate) is only for the Quraish as they are the best of the Arabs as regards descent and home, and I am pleased to suggest that you choose either of these two men, so take the oath of allegiance to either of them as you wish. And then Abu Bakr held my hand and Abu Ubada bin Abdullah’s hand who was sitting amongst us. I hated nothing of what he had said except that proposal, for by Allah, I would rather have my neck chopped off as expiator for a sin than become the ruler of a nation, one of whose members is Abu Bakr, unless at the time of my death my own-self suggests something I don’t feel at present.’

And then one of the Ansar said, ‘I am the pillar on which the camel with a skin disease (eczema) rubs itself to satisfy the itching (i.e., I am a noble), and I am as a high class palm tree! O Quraish. There should be one ruler from us and one from you.’

Then there was a hue and cry among the gathering and their voices rose so that I was afraid there might be great disagreement, so I said, ‘O Abu Bakr! Hold your hand out.’ He held his hand out and I pledged allegiance to him, and then all the emigrants gave the Pledge of allegiance and so did the Ansar afterwards. And so we became victorious over Sa’d bin Ubada (whom al-Ansar wanted to make a ruler). One of the Ansar said, ‘You have killed Sa’d bin Ubada.’ I replied, ‘Allah has killed Sa’d bin Ubada.’ Umar added, “By Allah, apart from the great tragedy that had happened to us (i.e. the death of the Prophet), there was no greater problem than the allegiance pledged to Abu Bakr because we were afraid that if we left the people, they might give the Pledge of allegiance after us to one of their men, in which case we would have given them our consent for something against our real wish, or would have opposed them and caused great trouble. So if any person gives the Pledge of allegiance to somebody (to become a Caliph) without consulting the other Muslims, then the one he has selected should not be granted allegiance, lest both of them should be killed.”

Concluding this tradition, consider this:

A)- Umar said that: One should not deceive oneself by saying that the pledge of allegiance given to Abu Bakr was given suddenly and it was successful.

B)- Umar said that Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, and Ansar disagreed with them : And no doubt after the death of the Prophet we were informed that the Ansar disagreed with us and gathered in the shed of Bani Sa’da. 'Ali and Zubair and whoever was with them, opposed us, while the emigrants gathered with Abu Bakr.

C)- Umar gave his hand to Abu bakr without counselling with muslims. He gave his hand FIRST, and then others gave their hands too. Then there was a hue and cry among the gathering and their voices rose so that I was afraid there might be great disagreement, so I said, ‘O Abu Bakr! Hold your hand out.’ He held his hand out and I pledged allegiance to him, and THEN all the emigrants gave the Pledge of allegiance and so did the Ansar afterwards.

D)- There was news that Umar and his followers had killed Sa’d bin Ubada. (I am not saying that he did. What I am saying that this was a common news on those days. That is all.) One of the Ansar said, ‘You have killed Sa’d bin Ubada.’ I replied, 'Allah has killed Sa’d bin Ubada.

E)- While Umar gave his hand to Abu bakr without consulting others, he ordered that such person should be killed: So if any person gives the Pledge of allegiance to somebody (to become a Caliph) WITHOUT consulting the other Muslims, then the one he has selected should NOT be granted allegiance, lest both of them should be killed."

F)- While he did not wish to accept others’ decision, he, himself, applied his own decision to others: there was no greater problem [compared to death of the prophet] than the allegiance pledged to Abu Bakr because we were afraid that if we left the people, they might give the Pledge of allegiance after us to one of their men, in which case we would have given them our consent for something against our real wish, or would have opposed them and caused great trouble.

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4—also further tradition [below] also bears that

1-- Imam Ali refused his allegiance to Abu Bakr for six months.

2-- Imam Ali was NEVER consulted for the succession issue

3-- Fatima died and Abu Bakr was not informed of the burial

4-- Imam Ali mentions his claim to the right of succession and says to Abu Bakr "But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry.

5—Umar feels threatened with Imam Ali sent for to meet Abu Bakr and Umar says: "No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone " Abu Bakr said, "What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them’ … spells much much dis-agreement between them.

Sahih Bukhari Hadith: 5.546
Narrated 'Aisha:

Fatimah the daughter of the Prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr (when he was a caliph), asking for her inheritance of what Allah’s Apostle had left of the property bestowed on him by Allah from the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) in Medina, and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus of the Khaibar booty. On that, Abu Bakr said, "Allah’s Apostle said, “Our property is not inherited. Whatever we leave, is Sadaqa, but the family of (the Prophet) Muhammad can eat of this property.’ By Allah, I will not make any change in the state of the Sadaqa of Allah’s Apostle and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle, and will dispose of it as Allah’s Apostle used to do.” So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.

When Fatimah was alive, the people used to respect 'Ali much, but after her death, 'Ali noticed a change in the people’s attitude towards him. So Ali sought reconciliation with Abu Bakr and gave him an oath of allegiance. Ali had not given the oath of allegiance during those months (i.e. the period between the Prophet’s death and Fatima’s death).

'Ali sent someone to Abu Bakr saying, “Come to us, but let nobody come with you,” as he disliked that 'Umar should come, ‘Umar said (to Abu Bakr), "No, by Allah, you shall not enter upon them alone " Abu Bakr said, "What do you think they will do to me? By Allah, I will go to them’ So Abu Bakr entered upon them, and then 'Ali uttered Tashah-hud and said (to Abu Bakr), “We know well your superiority and what Allah has given you, and we are not jealous of the good what Allah has bestowed upon you, but you did not consult us in the question of the rule and we thought that we have got a right in it because of our near relationship to Allah’s Apostle .” Thereupon Abu Bakr’s eyes flowed with tears. And when Abu Bakr spoke, he said, “By Him in Whose Hand my soul is to keep good relations with the relatives of Allah’s Apostle is dearer to me than to keep good relations with my own relatives. But as for the trouble which arose between me and you about his property, I will do my best to spend it according to what is good, and will not leave any rule or regulation which I saw Allah’s Apostle following, in disposing of it, but I will follow.” On that 'Ali said to Abu Bakr, “I promise to give you the oath of allegiance in this after noon.”

So when Abu Bakr had offered the Zuhr prayer, he ascended the pulpit and uttered the Tashah-hud and then mentioned the story of 'Ali and his failure to give the oath of allegiance, and excused him, accepting what excuses he had offered; Then 'Ali (got up) and praying (to Allah) for forgiveness, he uttered Tashah-hud, praised Abu Bakr’s right, and said, that he had not done what he had done because of jealousy of Abu Bakr or as a protest of that Allah had favored him with. 'Ali added, “But we used to consider that we too had some right in this affair (of rulership) and that he (i.e. Abu Bakr) did not consult us in this matter, and therefore caused us to feel sorry.” On that all the Muslims became happy and said, “You have done the right thing.” The Muslims then became friendly with 'Ali as he returned to what the people had done (i.e. giving the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr).

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this I believe sums up the discussion that was revolving around the issue of as Suyutis claim.

Abbas
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