Since yazdi refuses to discuss the matter unless an new thread is started. Here it is. My original post which was ignored:
Original Thread: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/306136-mumbai-incident-zardaris-kargil.html
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
just try to read A debt industry of pakistan will give u full detail of agricultral profit and misery of poor peasant .
CM says the real cause of misery in Pakistan is the agriculture sector and feudals…while I insist the real feudals are the army generals and army mafia…
Feudalism is not owning agriculture land or running some productive channel in the country…it’s a state of mind to remain in power through ethical or non ethical means…I request CM and other members of the forum to listen to following speech made by Khawaja Asif in which he talked about this army mafia’s state of mind…
While the public of Pakistan continue to suffer because of poverty, terrorism, global isolation, country image, lack of basic infra structure our army mafia continues to be indulged in plots, lands, kick backs, commissions, golf courses, rest houses, cantonments, luxuries at public expense…
They have turned the country from a welfare state as envisioned by the founder of Pakistan in to a security state…and if there is no security issue then it must be created…Kargil, Mumbai incident, and many other similar incidents are evidence of this mentality…
While my ignorant friends like CM still fall easily in to this trap…there is a growing awareness in Pakistan regarding this much too evident modus ope***** of army mafia…
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
Ha. I am surprised to see **
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The kind of facts and figures where you forgot intentionally to mention IT and telecom....in the other forum...and then did not bother to explain your delebrate omission...
I can make a bigger haha than you...hahahahahahah.....
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
Abay
Abay
Shows your true calibre...
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Verbal garbage may fly with other posters. Not with me. So prove how the agriculture sector and a lack of a trickle down affect is caused by the military.
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Prove what...I have never claimed there is a trickle down effect in agriculture sector...
However you made some sweeping statements that agriculture sector in Pakistan makes much higher profits compared to international standards...Okay Mr. Genius....since you are a man of facts and figure** (and for me you are a man of twisting facts and figures after your non response to IT/telecom matter despite my several askings), **would you support such sweeping claims with facts and figures...to remind you I reproduce your original post...
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In Pakistan the profit in the agriculture sector is high. Disproportionately high compared to other countries...
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Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
IT and telecommunications: What is it that you asked?
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In Pakistan the profit in the agriculture sector is high. Disproportionately high compared to other countries while the tax rate is extremely low compared to countries in our bracket.[/qoute]
Full statement. I wonder why you left that out? Care to respond? And if you disagree please provide facts and figures to prove me wrong. My statement stands.
Secondly taken from the original thread:
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Bhutto's nationalisation did a lot of damage to our economic conditions back in 70s...however I do not agree with your usual feudal bashing which represent your total ignorance of rural economy of Pakistan....which is mostly a result of propoganda against agriculture sector by a largely urban based ethnic party in Pakistan....agriculture was the worse profession in Pakistan in last 62 years as far as financial gains compared to investment made are concerned...I don't think if you know the financial gains made by these so called land lord feudals you would like to be in agriculture business...
The main reason for our economic difficulties today are our isolation and country perception due to jihadi patronising of Pakistan army
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This man who says I have ignorance regarding our agriculture sector, can't even defend his own statements. Brilliant. Let me guess next you are going to say you never made those statements.
You also state that agriculture is the worst sector in Financial gains for the last 62 years. Yet the statistics taken from the ITC prove otherwise.
Full statement. I wonder why you left that out? Care to respond? And if you disagree please provide facts and figures to prove me wrong. My statement stands.
Let's go step by step...
Second part of your statement I agree that tax rate for agriculture sector is low... Now please prove me with facts and figures about the first part of you statement...
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In Pakistan the profit in the agriculture sector is high. Disproportionately high compared to other countries...
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Please do provide me with the source of such a sweeping statement with comparision of agriculture profits from other countries...
IT and telecommunications: What is it that you asked?
I reproduce my post from the other thread...
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An FDI of 30 million dollars in the largest export sector i.e. textile in last whole one year...can you explain what's the point you are trying to make....is it something to be proud of...when you clubbed textile with IT sector you forgot to mention it was IT and telecom sector according to the BOI table provided in the link provided by you...and the dumbest in Pakistan knows how much FDI came in IT and how much FDI came in telecom sector....was your ommission of the word telecom intentional to misguide the forum readers you so proudly claim to guide...
CM Quote:
*Look at the tables the invest is in key Export areas like Textiles and IT. *
Sector Wise FDI Inflows (Million $)
Sector 2000-01 2001-02 2002-03 2003-04 2004-05 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09
(July-October)
Oil & Gas 80.7 268.2 186.8 202.4 193.8 312.7 545.1 634.8 224.8
Financial Business (34.9) 3.6 207.4 242.1 269.4 329.2 930.3 1,607.6 322.8
Textiles 4.6 18.5 26.1 35.4 39.3 47.0 59.4 30.1 9.0
Trade 13.2 34.2 39.1 35.6 52.1 118.0 172.1 175.5 54.6
Construction 12.5 12.8 17.6 32.0 42.7 89.5 157.1 88.5 17.4
Power 39.9 36.4 32.8 (14.2) 73.4 320.6 193.4 70.3 53.8
Chemical 20.3 10.6 86.1 15.3 51.0 62.9 46.1 78.0 13.0
Transport 45.2 21.4 87.4 8.8 10.6 18.4 30.2 73.0 16.0
**Communication (IT&Telecom) **NA 12.8 24.3 221.9 517.6 1,937.7 1,898.7 1,625.3 355.2
Others 140.9 66.2 90.4 170.1 274.0 285.0 1,107.2 769.7 254.6
Total 322.4 484.7 798.0 949.4 1,523.9 3,521.0 5,139.6 5,152.8 1,321.2
Privatization Proceeds - 127.4 176.0 198.8 363.0 1,540.3 266.4 133.2 0.0
FDI Excluding Pvt. Proceeds 322.4 357.3 622.0 750.6 1160.9 1980.7 4873.2 5,019.6 1,321.2
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Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
Statement 1:
http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/cmer/upload/agricultural%20policy%20analysis.pdf
Statement 2:
That is the full statement. Meaning the profitablity with a low tax bracket is disproportionately high compared to other countries in our bracket. Take some ESL classes.
Edit: Regarding telecommunication and IT
- I provide the link.
- I provide the info.
- Does that change how much FDI we are getting?
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
During Musharraf's era agricultutral sector was hit quite high and i don't think it has a lot of profit margin. The "land lords" are typically those who in addition to land are involved in other petty businesses and politics.
Now i am no expert on the issue but what i have heard from people involved in agricultural sector in Pakistan is:
1- During Musharraf era the subsidy on fertilizer was stopped, most of which was produced by military associated industry, and a bag of fertilizer that costed 500Rs pre-mushrraf era costed 3000Rs in Musharraf's time.
2- Government decided the rate at which the crop is bought from peasant and this is several times lower than the international market hence forcibly taking from them their hardwork at very low price. If price of wheat in internatinal market is Rs 1200/40Kg, government issues a rate of 380Rs/40Kg.
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
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CM and Yazdi, both of you are very positive contributors of this forum, plz avoid personal insults.
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
Oh you won't have to worry about that. Today is my last day posting.
Re: Feudalism and the Agriculture sector in Pakistan
^why?
Coming back from Darfur
Again an attempt to twist the words and trying to get away from what you said…the complete statement was…
This statement in plain English means the agriculture sector in Pakistan makes disproportionately higher profit compared to (all) other countries while the tax rate is very low compared to countries in similar bracket…it does not mean their profit is high due to low tax rate…
I simply asked you to provide us with your source, as it is a mighty sweeping statement…please do provide us with comparision of profits with other countries and tax rate compared to countries of similar bracket…instead of sending me to language understanding school…you should atleast behave honestly and own your statement…and provide us with your source or facts and figures as you claim which led you to conclude about the profitability of agriculture sector…
Please clarify your position on your own statement…was it a mistake or do you really still own your statement…and if you do please provide us with your source so that we can continue discussing the topic…
Modertors Note:
CM and Yazdi, both of you are very positive contributors of this forum, plz avoid personal insults.
Icon I have not indulged in any personal insults despite being called...
A) Unpatriotic...
B) A may be Indian...a doubtful Pakistani...
C) May be a non muslim or a Muslim with a very weak faith...
D) Abay...Dumbass
and I assure you that in future also I will not indulge in these name callings and personal insults....despite being treated totally opposite....however I will oppose illogical point of views vigrously and with decency....
Please be assured from my side in future also...
Edit: Regarding telecommunication and IT 1. I provide the link. 2. I provide the info. 3. Does that change how much FDI we are getting?
Yes it does because FDI in telecom sector by no means is FDI in export sector as you led the forum reader to believe by omitting the word telecom intentionally....
^why? Coming back from Darfur
Oh I only post when I am bored. This was the christmas break so it was extremely quiet in my location. But I can finally go into the field and there is movement of armed militias and rebel groups. So its going to light up soon. Means more fun! :D
Oh I only post when I am bored. This was the christmas break so it was extremely quiet in my location. But I can finally go into the field and there is movement of armed militias and rebel groups. So its going to light up soon. Means more fun! :D
Thats quite disappointing and sad!