Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

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Pakistan should fence the Waziri border and pull the army out of this area. This should satisfy Waziri demand of removing checkposts.

It will also stop the taliban from crossing the border.

** Pakistan and US in security talks

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* Pakistani Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri has given the US what he calls concrete proposals for improving border security with neighbouring Afghanistan. *

 	     	             Mr Kasuri was meeting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Washington, but refused to give further details.      	     	            
 	     	             Washington is increasingly concerned about the deteriorating situation on the border between the two countries.      	     	            
 	     	             Tensions increased earlier this year after Afghan accusations that Taleban militants were operating from Pakistan.      	     	                                 
      	             Similar claims were made by a few days ago by Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Spanta, who called on Islamabad to do more to stop the infiltration of Taleban militants across the border. 
 	     	            **     	     	            Common goals     	     	            **     	     	            
 	     	            
 	     	             State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that Ms Rice reaffirmed that both countries shared a common interest.      	     	            
 	     	             "The Afghans have an interest in a stable, more prosperous, more secure Pakistan, and vice versa," he said.

“Everybody needs to do more, somebody says ‘So-and-so needs to do more,’ and I’ll say ‘Everybody needs to do more’ - that gets us nowhere,” AFP news agency quoted Mr Kasuri as saying.
The issue dominated a trip by Ms Rice to Pakistan and Afghanistan last month when she urged all sides to work together in fighting cross-border militants.
During his three-day visit to Washington, Mr Kasuri will meet President Bush and Pentagon officials for talks on counter terrorism and political reform.

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Re: Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

good... Might finally get people to understand that its a border, and not a joke..

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High time they did that! Wonder why Karzai is so sopposed to this fencing business?

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Karazai knows that the fence will stop his petty attacks on Pakistan. This mayor of Kabul better thank Pakistan for feeding him, clothing him for many years. Typical namak-H@r@m$.

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Fencing of the border is waht most people in NWFP actually want, and for Afghan refugees to go home.

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Sigh......

Bandaid solutions will no longer work. Unless the plan includes creating fences around jihadi madrassahs, organizations and the ISI HQ.

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Re: Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

We also need a fence around Nine Zero.

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The demise of MQM would be a small price to pay if it meant the ISI would cease to exist. We all know which among them is notorious around the world for its deeds.

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So are Mosad, CIA and RAW... With the demise of ISI some thug in London can gain in strength, but it will weeken a number of things which are a lot more precious than the thugs. The problem is not ISI, but the ones who use it pursue their agendas.

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Best thing I've heard on this forum in a long time...How about extending it to the Altaf's frig in his house in London...That fat neck of his keeps growing and growing...I heard they are going to import his head, instead of Soccer balls from Sialkot for the next WC in South Africa...

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Re: Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

The thing is that in most cases Mossad, CIA, and RAW work for the benefit of their country under some civilian oversight. We can’t say the same for our ISI and MI. The problem is the open hand that ISI and the army leadership has to kill journalists (Hayatullah Khan), detain and torture political prisnors (Dr. Allah Nazar), harass anyone it wants to (too many names to list), promote extremist movements (Taliban), start military adventures (Kargil) etc. without any form of accountability.

No one from the ISI or Army will ever be punished for all the damage they have done to Pakistan. MQM is small fish compared to what the ISI and army has done to damage Pakistan.

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RAW worked for the benefit of the country by training Mukti Bahni terrorists. ISI worked for the benefit of the country by training religious terrorists with the assistance of CIA. The former agency succeeded. The later agencies partly succeeded, but then it backfired. They shoud've been more careful. Maybe we should train Mukti Bahni style terrorists this time..

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Re: Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

Dunno about RAW's raw performance.

ISI has done a lot of good (certainly some flaws exist too). Look over any border of Pakistan and see how the other side is doing. If the other side is driving BMWs, eating halwa all the time, and living in mansions, ISI should be blamed for not working for the benefit of Pakistan.

Stand on the Punjab border and see how Bharati Punjabis are doing. Are their houses bigger, their cars better, their bank balances fatter?

Stand on Sindh border and see if Rajisthanis are eating Doodh-Malai (Milk with extra fat), or flying in private airplanes.

Stand on the Balochi border and see if Iranian Balohis have got some magic carpets, some high tech IT centers, or some big time gaseous gas royalties coming through.

Stand on Frontier's border and see if their Pashto-Dari-Uzbek-Tajiks are enjoying the lifestyle several times better than of their counterparts on Pak side of the border.

Mind you, Pakistan achieved it's level of prosperity in the last 60 years. Back in 1947 every region bordering the areas (now Pakistan) had better outlook and comparable if not better resources.

So thank your lucky stars that Urdu People (UP) in Pakistan have 100 times on average better life their cousins back home in UP and Bihar.

Frothing on Hi-Hess-Hi boogey man is an old Hindustani ploy and I see some on this forum just keep on repeating the old $hite.

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Re: Fence the border along Wazirastan: Pakistan and US in security talks

Part of the problem is indeed that ISI become emotionally and ideologically involved with the jihadi tanzeems. CIA had not such attachement to the jihadis or RAW with the Mukhti Bahnis.

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I agree.. This 'emotional entanglement' should end. Agree..

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Man! you are so innocent.

CIA was printing books on Jihad. They along with Brits and Paks used Jihadis successfuly and got the Ruskies kicked out.

Some ISI members may be "emotionally invloved" with Jihadis. How else there could be so many attempts on Musharraf's life. However few rogue elements can not tarnish a fine organization that has done so much for our country.

It is like picking up few $tupid members of my Urdu People (UP) community who regularly bad mouth Pakistan. Then using these $tupids to malign the whole UP community.