Female Circumcision - A serious Dilemma

Can we have a serious discussion on why such a pratice is still forced on many young girls in some african countries ?

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As parents who take their daughters abroad to undergo female circumcision are told they face up to 14 years in jail, BBC News Online speaks to one of the survivors.
Salimata Knight says her struggle to come to terms with female circumcision has led her to forgive her parents - but to campaign passionately to stop it happening to anyone else.
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The 37-year-old, originally from Senegal, was living in Paris when she was forced to undergo a procedure which has changed her life.
She hopes to use her story of female circumcision to save tens of thousands of young victims from the same risk to health and happiness.
“We have to stop these practices, this repetition of a crime,” she said.

"You can have scars and also socially it is really strong because all of your life you know you’ve been violated, mutilated, abused.
"On the day they say they are going to do it, they don’t tell you really what is going to happen. Nobody gives you a brief, you are terrified.
"It’s like they somehow take something away from you.
"Because there is all the ceremony with the whole community, and everybody’s for it, it becomes like it’s normal.
“But this is terrible, this is wrong.”

Backstreet doctors
The 37-year-old, who is married and has lived in Swanage, on England’s south coast, for the past eight years, now runs her own outdoor activities company there.
But she also lectures in the UK and abroad on the compelling reasons why female genital mutilation must stop.
As many as 7,000 girls in the UK are currently thought to be at risk of being forced to undergo circumcision, which involves surgically removing the clitoris and sometimes parts of the labia.

Some are taken to backstreet doctors in the UK, while others are taken “on holiday” by their parents to countries where the procedure is still commonly carried out.
“The major problem is although the girls are born here, there is such pressure here from the country of origin, from the grandma or the men or even the women themselves,” said Mrs Knight.
“The mum is forced to take the girl back with her to circumcise her.”
Mrs Knight said she had eventually been able to forgive her own parents for enforcing the custom.
"I came myself to understand what happened to me by a lot of counselling, a lot of doctors’ advice.

I had to say, ‘How can I go forward from there and forgive my mum or other women?’ Because they did not know what to do to stop, or why.
"My mum said she never wanted me to be circumcised. I was taken to my grandma’s in Paris.

“Now forgiveness is to tackle ourselves - who we are, where we come from and what we want from this.”
She believes the measures introduced by the Female Genital Mutilation Act will help to change the way communities think, both in Africa and the UK.
“Today is a great day for the future and I have a lot of hope because it stands for women’s happiness and men’s as well,” she said.

Why do they do it to begin with??? :confused:

From the articles I have read in the past, a lot of these 'doctors' use Islam as their excuse to practice this horrendous atrocity on women. It's to keep them 'chaste' and ensure their virginity. It's ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If anything, it's culture.

Why beat yourselves up about what goes on in Africa? I've never heard of it happening in Pakistan or amongst the Pakistani community in England. I'm sure in Senegal there's probably some decent people working to eradicate mutilation, voodoo or whatever else is going on there.

So just because it doesn't happen in Pakistan, we shouldn't discuss about it.. what about some common general knowledge as to why such culture plays such a great role in some african countries, just trying to understand the cultural aspect.

Well Mehnaz, you would be suprised to hear that, its not only muslim people but also christans and others who pratics such traditions.

Anyway if this article is too 'disgusting' for some to discuss then i apologize for bringing up a taboo topic.

what do they do it for...? and does a woman who undrgoes it remain normal in terms of her womanly sensations or sexuality...?

It's not too disgusting to discuss Saadia, just that I've seen it come up so many times and it doesn't really affect 99% of us so I don't really have any connection with it. It doesn't register see?

No mercy for us men, I guess.

It's tough as is to please a woman. And without 'that' the task is monumental, folks.

Madhaanee bhaijaan, where exactly does it happen in Pakistan?

I've never heard of it happening in Pakistan certainly not to anyone I know of. I can bet there isn't a single GS member who knows of it personally either.

Just a quick search and this is what I found:

http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_circumcision.htm

*3. Female circumcision is not practised in Islamic countries other than Egypt and Sudan and possibly exists in few others. Women of Mecca, Medina, Najd, the Persion Gulf, Iran, North Africa, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, etc are not circumcised. This is established fact as well as first hand knowledge - I am a gynaecologist and I have dealt with all those nationalities. *

Dr Hassan Hathout

Maybe it happens in some parts of Sindh but I’ve never heard of it.

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Xtreme, she is talking about seeing Pakistani patients at her practice in Southern California, and not in Sindh. Do some more research, you will find links. Trust me, it happens, (even though it is outlawed). *
Too bad we don’t have a rural Sindhi Guppie to attest.** You are right, that it is not a norm. It doesnt happen in Punjab, nor does it happen in many other parts, only in Sindh.
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You are absolutely wrong. This is not practiced in Sindh. Stop talking with authority. The first ever reference to female circumcission I read was when I was reading a biography, "The death of Princess." I repeat it is being unheard of,* let alone practiced,* in rural Sindh that I belong to.

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Originally posted by Madhanee: *
I have read it in several places that (however on a small scale) it is practiced among Bohra Muslims (both in India and Pakistan). It is not a widespread phenomenon like the honor killings, so don’t get so edgy. In another place I read that there are two types of FGM, one is not as harmful as the other type. The practice predates Islam, and it is purely cultural, originating in Ethiopia/Eritrea. In Sudan, for example, Christians also practice it, and among Ethiopians, the Jews practice it. Ethiopian Jews living in Israel practice it too. **If you first heard of FGM while reading the "death of princess", that should tell you how much you don't know.
* You must be a teenager then.
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Bohras are not settled in the rural Sindh. I can well understand how much capable you are to twist things. You lamented there was none from rural Sindh to verify and when one did, you have subvented the issue. The statement I have highlighted in ur reply needs no comments.

^ I would appreciate if u substantiate your views with any proof. I might be uneducated on the issue.