Another of those futile discussions that leave no party satisfied with the answer of the others. Some of you feel that pointing your feet towards Ka'aaba has no relevance in Islam and you feel nothing wrong in pointing your feet towards Ka'aba. The others say, that (to them) it seems disrespectful to do so, and so they don't point their feet towards Ka'aba. Fine. Both of you, stick to what you feel works for you. No one is forcing the other to point or not to point your feet towards Ka'aba. The scholarly references given in Post #2 should provide ample scholarly knowledge about the issue. For the rest use your brains or your heart. There is really no point in lamblasting the other 'group'.
Yea ama always makes us face our feet the opposite direction.
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*Originally posted by dum_mast: *
Acha look at it like this...we pray pointing to the Kaaba...we prostrate while praying towards the Kaaba...The Kaaba is the holy place according to us Muslims...by pointing our feet towards it...we are disrespecting it...I will try to search the web and ask my cousin (he's really religious) to tell me why...ok.
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i am waiting for proof inshallah.
otherwise you are just making life harder for your own self
InshAllah I will provide u with the proof...just give me a few days...k
nice bit of discussion here.
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*Originally posted by funguy: *
The Arabs in the masjid I go to freely spread their legs towards the qibla without any hesitation. This tells me that it's more of a cultural thing with Pakistanis. I was told the same not to spread feet towards qibla and I still have a hard time going against what i was taught.
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FG,
Muslims from Ind o Pak are more respectful towards religion compare to Arabs. Some arabs do use Quran as pillow. Please follow the deen of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAWW not the deen practiced by the Arabs.
You are talking about the arabs Saudi Family (Khadim Ul Harmain Shareefain (servants of HarmaiN shareefain)) and do you khow what Arab public calls them Hadim ul harmaiN shareefain (Robbers of HarmaiN ShareefaiN).
They were piratesand these ppl are brought by British and they have changed the name of the country from Hijaaz -e-Muqaddas to Saudi Arabia to their family name.
There are certain ppl working on these things they are trying to make Holy Prophet SAWW's personality questionable, they raise so many questions and place them into ou youngsters heads and that's what this thread is all about.
Ka'bah is only of the most holiest places and we should not point out feet towards Ka'Bah. I have done some reasearch and found some answers to ThandyMazaq questions and I will translate them into English and reply in this thread.
Saqi
respect of islam and its icons is only found in sunnah of the prophet :saw:, just because our old desi-psuedo islam tells us that is respect without any proof is of no value.
sheikh al munajjid in his fatwa cites such other great sheikhs and they can find no evidence to say against it, then it is safe to say that there is no credible evidence. i am not saying these sheikhs are perfect but they are highly learned, inshallah, and thus we can take their words if they find no evidence.
and no one believes the “hadim” of harmain any more, we know how bad they are and do not listen to them, however the saudi sheikhs are far learned in islamic knowledge than our “maulanas”. besides if they cared to know that maulana has been used for allah in quran, they would not allow their followers to call them maulanas, but no, i dont see any one say that dont call me maulana. astagfurullah.
ditto!
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
sheikh al munajjid in his fatwa cites such other great sheikhs and they can find no evidence to say against it, then it is safe to say that there is no credible evidence. i am not saying these sheikhs are perfect but they are highly learned, inshallah, and thus we can take their words if they find no evidence.
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And your point is...? That you put your feet towards Ka'aba. Is that all, or is there something else here as well?
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
And your point is...? That you put your feet towards Ka'aba. Is that all, or is there something else here as well?
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my point is not to put your feet in direction of kaaba all the times..but to reject the false belief that somehow it is disrespect of kaaba.
i have heard and also used to claim that "arabs dont have any respect for islam" and the proof always is that they point their feet towards kaaba. now i understand that since it is not related in hadiths that pointing feet at kaaba is disrespect, then we have no right to criticize any one or to put too much burden on ourselves by constantly being on the lookout for having our feet point to any other direction other than kaaba.
i thnk this discussion is now over for me, so much time for such a pointless topic.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
i thnk this discussion is now over for me, so much time for such a pointless topic.
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Good. As I said before this is not the sort of discussion which leaves anyone happy about the outcome.
Whoever wants to point feet towards kaaba, he may do so, since there is no sharee proof of not doing so. Actions are judged by intentions.
It is not such a big issue anyway. Lets not fill another page over such a small issue.
^^ seeing that it's your third reply maybe you can resist the urge to respond further :)
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*Originally posted by Thap: *
well it ain't a sphere either einstein. But then again that's a different matter altogether.
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oh yeah.. let's quibble over this but fail to note the obvious.. u're pointing every which way on a non-flat surface.
Answer through Hadith Sharif
Here is answer from Hadith Sharif:
Ibn-e-Maaja Aayaash bin Abee Rabia Makhroomi RA narrated that Rasool lallah SAWW said that this ummah will stay with goodness until they they respect the Ka'baa with it's full diginty and when people stop respecting it they will be destroyed.
Book Name: Bahar-e-Shariat
Volume: 1
Author: Hazrat Maulana Muhammad Amjad Ali Rehmatulla Alai
Publisher Mumtaz Academy
Fazal Ilahi Market
Chowk Urdu Bazar Lahore
Chapter 6
Page 429
I hope that is sufficent for you.
Saqi
I met ppl from middle east here in UK and that’s what they call them. (Hadim). So if you have not heard that does not mean that ppl don’t call them Hadim.
Aadaab
Saqi
Re: Answer through Hadith Sharif
not really
i am not a muhaddith, so i dont know if this hadith is sahih or daef or mawdu.
secondly, we all respect kaaba, but not in any way that is not told to us by the prophet :saw:. we make wudu before entering the masjid ul haram, we circumvent it when doing tawaf, we bow towards it during our prayers, and we take the masjid ul haram to be the place where one salat is better than any other place. these are the respects of kaaba that the rasul :saw: told us about. but since he did not mention feet issue, we dont believe it is disrespect to point our feets in that direction. thats all my point. nothing more. do you get my point? however its no big issue, we are still muslims as you claim la ilaha illallah muhammad ur rasul ullah. i dont have hard feelings but was just clearing up some misconception that i thought was prevelant in pakisanis.
and brother i do not doubt that people call the kings of saudi arabia “hadims” infact i was using your own terminology in ridiculing the kings…not doubting you..may be i messed up in explaining my self.