Feedback on feedback by teggy

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This feedback is in reference to the thread started by Teggy and post as below.

So the last sentence hits the nail. Why assume hatred when nothing was even posted? And why ask others to post ‘encouraging remarks’ even if they did not want to?

Anyhow: No one was allowed to post anything but encouraging remarks as dictated by teggy in that thread hence the need for this thread which will bring further burning questions which have the potential of being seen as negative by teggy.

1- What was the real point of this post in the sense what exactly happened that he finds the need for this feedback?

2- The feedback is customarily given from members to admin team, and teggy himself being an admin, so who are those this “feedback” was directed towards?

3- It would have made sense if teggy had participated in the actual discussions himself and had given “much needed encouragement” to these two or more members he is talking about. Why the need for opening whole thread praising these members?

4- More importantly teggy could have used his other nick if he has one to try to counter the attacks on religions by these members and seen the reactions himself if there is really a
“keen desire to learn”, or the members are really “hidden Muslims”

5- How many other members had his love and affection shown this way before?

6- Now the actual message: Very interesting.

6(a)- According to teggy if questions are posed about religion on a discussion board then it must be that the asker is ‘hidden muslim’.

6(b)- “Typical Muslims” need to learn from those who question since it is a great way to show “brotherhood/sisterhood”.

6(c)- Typical Muslims are simply lazy and and "hidden Muslims’’ bring one of the best opportunities to those lazy "typical Muslims’ to learn about religion.

Really?

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Re: Feedback on feedback by teggy

AsSalaamo Alaikum brother Diwana,

I'll keep my post as concise as possible. The point of my thread was that for anyone who spends so much energy looking at all aspects of Islam either wants to learn more about Islam which is admirable, or is completely obsessed with it, in which case if Allah wills they may be guided towards the truth that is Islam.

I do not see why it is wrong to encourage that. It does not mean that they're above the rules, in fact, I have personally been engaged in recent topics and had the opportunity to refute their ill-founded claims specifically speaking in relation to the Sudanese incident.

The words and style of the my thread was of my own choosing, and it's certainly open to critiquing and who better to do it than you, my brother in Islam. I meant no less respect for my family that is, the muslims. Perhaps my choice of deliberate words may have given you the opposite impression of what I intended.

Bottom line is this, if any user keeps criticizing Islam, it shows me they think a lot about Islam maybe more than I do, even if that means they think about it in negative light. How many a people who were fierce opponents of Islam, have in fact become muslims? It is Allah alone who guides people, and whenever a people have risen to attack Islam, Islam has entered their very households. This has been Sunnah of Allah from the beginning. History of full of examples that validate this.

The thread was in my personal capacity, and I specifically stated that. I do not feel the need to mask my identity to voice my opinion, so long as it's done without violating forum guidelines and policies, I am comfortable using this username to express my views.

Typically I would bar myself from addressing a feedback thread that I am the subject of, for fairness sake, but I am hopeful my post will be received as an extension of your post, and perhaps help to bring clarity to the concerns you have raised.

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Re: Feedback on feedback by teggy

Let me get this straight.

The whole notion of learning and teaching online over a discussion board like this is flawed. And the evidences are right here in regards to so called questions and biased opinions made on repetitive basis.

What we have someone registers online. Claims to have certain scenario in his or her life. And based on that scenario bring end results and forces others to agree with the end results otherwise he/she calls others:

Are you serious?

What a ridiculous example!

I merely wanted my opinion heard since so and so asked me to.

You are intolerant, bigot etc. etc.

You need to grow up.

Now: ** Do we really think that person sincerely has any intention to learn??

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Absolutely not. Aggressive and bad behavior is not true seekers have.

There are ways to learn and these people have spent time growing up with lots of opportunities to seek knowledge and learn.

Besides this is 21st century. All of the questions have been answered and are at disposal of these individuals in many many forms (electronic and paper) including finding someone IN PERSON to go to and learn.

People who pose questions and incessantly argue on religion do not have intention to learn is my point here.

Why assume one way that these people have so called keen interest in learning.

Why not other way that the whole idea of posting questions on a discussion board where more than likely the answers will be given to refute their position and be called anti-social???

Bhai sahab! People do not convert religions like that.

If these people have the courage to put thumb up other's noses REPETITIVELY then why they act surprised and play victim when given an answer?

I am aware of what Muqa Bhai is having the discussion this moment and my position was exactly the same. The answer was not supposed to be given or if it was to be given then it should NOT have been inflammatory and if inflammatory answer was given then it should NOT have been defended and if it was defended then the moderator should not have deleted my post which was within the rules and in context with what was said and how it was said and............... if my post was deleted then the inciting post should have been edited or deleted as well.

*Biased moderation is what I am talking about let alone encouraging this kind of behavior.
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My clear question here is: I request clear answers please if at all possible. Thank you.

*Is there not any rule to act against those who ridicule God, Religion(s), scriptures, religious figures?
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I do know when someone made fun of Hindu God a while ago, the post was deleted and admins admonished the member. I myself posted against that.

*Why is one way street here on this site???
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Re: Feedback on feedback by teggy

I completely understand what you're saying. But wouldn't it be more effective if people didn't respond to posts that are deemed insincere rather than telling the persons "You should just not participate in this portion of the discussion" unless of course the OP has outlined such. Members have always been advised to report posts that come across as questionable. Reporting material makes it very easy for the team member to review content. It is unfair to expect the moderators to not only engage in discussions, but also carry the stick and only drive a singular point of view; that is not the purpose of a discussion. Each discussion will have dynamic points of view.

Having said that, I do agree with your questions that you have raised. The solution in my personal view as a member first and foremost is to not respond or contribute further to any person who may be asking just for the sake of asking, and with lack of sincerity. Insincerity seeks attention; deprive insincerity of attention and you'll see the effects fizzle out naturally. Survey the threads yourself, and you'll see the discussion continue to carry on because every participant is busy engaging every other participant; which in theory fulfills the purpose of a discussion and debate.

As for the fragment of Guidelines you posted, it is valid. And on numerous occasions members have been bid farewell for not adhering to the policies. The problem with that is, Team Members get a bad rep when they enforce the polices on their own, and they get a bad rep when they allow members to moderate themselves. Just can't seem to find a winning solution. But with feedback like yours, we can always build on it and improve further. There's always room for betterment, and that's a pledge that has always been upheld by all team members which is to live up to members' expectations within forum framework as much as possible.

So please do your part, and report any content that you feel violates forum guidelines and policies, so that your fellow team members can take appropriate action on it. When action is taken on reported content, it is less likely to fall on the team members as acting with bias; an accusation that is floated all too often unfortunately.