Does zabiha refer to only the method of slaughtering for chickens?
The reason I ask is that most commercial chickens are fed animal by-product feed which would be pieces of other chickens but these chickens might not have been slaughtered in a halal way. Or does certifying halal meat ensure that the chicken is only fed halal feed as well?
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good question.
We're not supposed to eat predators, theoretically, so a chicken eating chicken meat is probably not appropriate in general.
I only get meat from vegetarian fed hens/chickens without steroids. Unfortunately, these options don't exist in halaal in America. Not sure about other countries.
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Peace Brother Lafu and Brother PCG
Back in the villages, all chickens and roosters and other poultry birds wander around and eat earthworms and other keeray makoray very often. That does not mean that they are predators. And that does not nullify their Halalishness.
Sincerely,
Mufti TLK
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a chicken eating chicken meat is probably not appropriate in general.
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We are not suppose to eat cow's crap either, but when used as a fertilizer to grow corn, you bhoono the corn on coals and that eat it yum yum. vhy you tell me vhy?
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Any halal animal fed a diet that it normally does not eat is very controversial. We should be eating what good and pure and that means making sure the lifestyle and the health of the animal is high and method of slaughter is accurate together with the Name of Allah (SWT) is recited as the life is being sacrificed for us to meat.
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... We should be eating what good and pure and that means making sure the lifestyle and the health of the animal is high .....
Almost impossible now (for middle class at least), unless you are a farmer.
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^ That is the dire situation we have before us - if we keep accepting this it will keep happening ... In the middle east I'm not even sure we are eating basically halal meat to minimum requirements any more.
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Does zabiha refer to only the method of slaughtering for chickens?
The reason I ask is that most commercial chickens are fed animal by-product feed which would be pieces of other chickens but these chickens might not have been slaughtered in a halal way. Or does certifying halal meat ensure that the chicken is only fed halal feed as well?
Shariyah dietary rules do not apply to the chickens :)
Chickens are not vegetarians; can eat what they like
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chickens eat meat too? its not that they hunt down the prey like predators or clawed beasts, and eat flesh. I guess them being fed on the diet you mentioned is not the same thing as that of predators'. But from human health perspective, care should be taken in choosing the type of poulty feed, which i don't think so is really happening.
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^ **rainydays ** :salam: Chickens are omnivores, this means they eat both vegetables and meat.
Chickens do hunt small snakes, lizards and frogs.
They do eat flesh or worms, cockroaches, grasshoppers. They also eat their own eggs when in some situations.
Chicken Facts
Chickens attacking a mouse.
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PCG chickens aren't supposed to be vegetarians anyways because free/open range chickens wander around the pasture eating worms, insects or whatever. But they obviously wouldn't eat pieces of themselves. It's very difficult to find organic, free/open range halal chicken. Do you typically eat non-zabiha meat then?
I would think technically chicken that would be fed other chickens would not be zabiha/halal anyways. But does anyone check for where the chicken is coming from when they slaughter it in a zabiha manner and label it that?
I ask because I'm dealing with a lot of issues and my doctor mentioned that poulty can often have antibiotics and can often have other harmful effects. He reccomended organic chicken but thats pretty much impossible to find halal. It got me thinking if the chicken I consider to be halal/zabiha actually is.
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PCG chickens aren't supposed to be vegetarians anyways because free/open range chickens wander around the pasture eating worms, insects or whatever. But they obviously wouldn't eat pieces of themselves. It's very difficult to find organic, free/open range halal chicken. Do you typically eat non-zabiha meat then?
I would think technically chicken that would be fed other chickens would not be zabiha/halal anyways. But does anyone check for where the chicken is coming from when they slaughter it in a zabiha manner and label it that?
I ask because I'm dealing with a lot of issues and my doctor mentioned that poulty can often have antibiotics and can often have other harmful effects. He reccomended organic chicken but thats pretty much impossible to find halal. It got me thinking if the chicken I consider to be halal/zabiha actually is by definition.
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Any halal animal fed a diet that it normally does not eat is very controversial. We should be eating what good and pure and that means making sure the lifestyle and the health of the animal is high and method of slaughter is accurate together with the Name of Allah (SWT) is recited as the life is being sacrificed for us to meat.
based on this psyah do you think this is actually happening? I'm pretty sure the one halal butcher I know is not checking what the chickens he slaughters are fed.
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PCG chickens aren't supposed to be vegetarians anyways because free/open range chickens wander around the pasture eating worms, insects or whatever. But they obviously wouldn't eat pieces of themselves. It's very difficult to find organic, free/open range halal chicken. Do you typically eat non-zabiha meat then?
I would think technically chicken that would be fed other chickens would not be zabiha/halal anyways. But does anyone check for where the chicken is coming from when they slaughter it in a zabiha manner and label it that?
I ask because I'm dealing with a lot of issues and my doctor mentioned that poulty can often have antibiotics and can often have other harmful effects. He reccomended organic chicken but thats pretty much impossible to find halal. It got me thinking if the chicken I consider to be halal/zabiha actually is.
Well, I used to eat halaal chicken, and often I still do. But then I was diagnosed with a condition where I break out really easily, so I've switched over to organic for the most part, when it comes to milk and eggs, and I've noticed 1. a total difference in taste, and 2. a total difference in my skin.
So now I'm trying out the organic chicken in the regular market, and I feel guilty of doing it, but the local halaal store here is very dodgy and I'm not sure how long their meat has been sitting around. Doesn't look right at all, so I figure I'm going to temporarily have to switch out of halaal meat. Otherwise, I still bought halaal meat, but yeah you wont find it organic - in most places in the US, unless if you know of some muslims raising meat on their own small mini-farms. There are some such families in the US that raise their own poultry and supply locally, and I guess you could talk to them, they probably have free range meat.
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We are not suppose to eat cow's crap either, but when used as a fertilizer to grow corn, you bhoono the corn on coals and that eat it yum yum. vhy you tell me vhy?
Because corn and other plants are often given fertilizer and horse droppings, because this is natural and a form of fertilizer. If you go back to the time prior to their being farms with machinery, local animals and farm animals self-fertilizing the local plants was how plants actually grew to be healthy. So that's a non-issue Islamically, and I would think it's jaahiz.
However, feeding a chicken actual chicken meat or feeding it pork or gelatin or pork rinds which is often what's in the trash they're fed, plus raising them in inhumane conditions equates to animal cruelty and abuse. We know from some prelim studies that this sort of meat might actually be causing more problems than good. Even if it's not causing direct disease, it's still animal cruelty, and I wouldn't be supporting it by buying those food items. Now they're cheaper so some families are left with no choice if they're on a tight budget.
I'm not sure what's the scene in Pakistan, if this is how chickens are being raised on farms there. From the looks of empress market and other meat markets, seems pretty awful how they have the chickens caged up.
But in the US, fact is that all these so-called halaal places where chicken is cut - there is a audiotape of bismillah playing in the background and a guillotine chopping off the heads of chickens on a belt. So it's not proper halaal to begin with, the technique isn't even appropriate.
The whole purpose of halaal is to cut the throat slowly, let the jugular slowly drain out to get rid of toxins, and say bismillah. They just dont want to hire extra hands to do this, because they want to mass produce meat. And usually it's a farm owned by an American Christian guy who allows them to play the bismillah tape in the background. Who knows what really is happening, most of these farmers don't strike me as the type that will be ok with muslim chanting of verses going on on their farm property, but who knows.
When we were growing up , my dad would scoff at the idea of halaal meat, because he and others visited the farms where the so-called halaal meat was coming from, and saw the belts themselves, and were like...this isn't halaal.
Moreover, it's the same cost for production, so I'm not sure why halaal meat markets are selling the meat at higher prices. Seems like a scam.
There was also a special on GEO or some channel once where they investigated these "halaal" certifications in the US and some were total BS.
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BTW, this is a huge market. Just sayin' for some future entrepreneur!
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But if you look around in your community, you may come across some farmers who will allow you to come onto their property, pick out fowl, and zabiha-fy it on their property. Also depends on the local sanitation and farming laws. Some farms, you can't just butcher on the farm old school like you do in traditional muslim tradition.
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I'm kind of in the same boat, I actually do eat halaal outside but have never brought it home to cook with and kind of feel guilty about doing do. But i'm allergic to shellfish and I'll have to cut out all grains and starches, which basically just means leafy greens and organic meat so I've been trying to figure out if i can justify it to myself to go with non-halaal organic chicken.
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I understand this point. But was just pointing out, that even if they feed on meat it can’t be compared to the predators