Favouring native citizens over immmigrants

Didn’t want to derail the life1 thread by going off-topic so here’s something for discussion.

Sometimes I see some job advertisements that say that the position is not open to people who do not have a right to work in the country. So it’s only available for citizens or immigrants with permanent residence. I don’t mind that because a company should have the right to choose to be an equal opportunity employer or otherwise.

What are your views on nativism? Do you think it’s equivalent to racism or is it okay for a company/country to look after its own citizens first?

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Nope its called protecting the job market. I dont think its racism. If supply exceeds demand then definetly bring immigrants. You have to ensure that citizens have jobs so that they dont then rely on welfare (immigrants wouldnt have that problem because they arent entitled to such perks). However immigrants to any country are known to have good work ethic. A lot of immigrants are employed as cheap labour (especially in the construction industry). Sad fact but true, i know one such person. They should be paid the prevailing market wage or else is just causes salaries and wages of that industry to become depressed overall

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You spoke my mind there, adhi raat express. :stuck_out_tongue:

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At least in the US the Progressives favor raising the minimum wage, punishing employers who hire/ exploit illegal immigrants, favor a path towards citizenship for those who have been here for a while. The ones on the Right - no conscience.

Good topic. Good post by Express.

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Having laws and policies around the immigration status when it comes to employing people has more to do with ensuring appropriate taxes are being paid and that the person is accounted for.

The laws relative to a potential employee being legally entitled to work in a country are therefore surrounded by issues of population (and possibly quality) control and accountability. It’s also there to discourage people from entering the country by unlawful means, i.e. illegal immigrants, etc. Therefore countries forbid employers from hiring people that have not been accepted into its protection, i.e. not allowed to either live there or stay permanently (for various reasons).

This isn’t the same as saying they only prefer natives. That would be the case if a country shut its doors whether in academia or in employment to other nations and didn’t invite them in for citizenship or other opportunities. Or didn’t have equal opportunity employment laws.

Countries to look after their citizens first? Sometimes taking care of its citizens is the reason why talent from other nations is so critically needed. Immigration policies reflect a country’s bigger picture based on current statistic of their population. Data is analyzed and patterns and future trends are calculated. That’s when it is decided yes we must bring people in or no we can’t afford to do so. Most civilized countries don’t just blindly let their population go out of control especially at the cost of seriously compromising their citizens’ welfare.

No, employer does not have a right to choose if they are going to be an equal opportunity employer or otherwise. They MUST be an equal opportunity employer - according to most secular democracies in the world and majority of the West.

So to answer your question, you should hire the best person for the job as long as the country has permitted them to live and earn there according to its fair and transparent immigration and judicial system. If the most qualified people are new comers to that nation then that’s even a bigger investment for that country/employer and should be treated as such.

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It’s just one of the perks of being a lawful permanent resident or citizen. It pays to be present legitimately, and I don’t see anything wrong with that criteria. It doesn’t bar foreign professionals from obtaining the opportunities, it just makes the home-team a priority in terms of benefits.

The companies in search of absolute talent still sponsor, and import workforce from around the world in the form of work visas, temporary/conditional residency, etc.

It’s selectivism apparently, more than racism imo.

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It’s also more difficult for a company to hire someone who does not have the required work permit. The company would have to sponsor the work permit, which brings in an element of risk - having spent time and money during the interviewing process, there is a risk that some issue would arise which would lead to the government not issuing the permit, and the company having wasted time/money as a result.

Also, in some countries, the government limits the number of work permits a single employer can sponsor, or limits the number of work permits available per year.

All of these make it riskier to hire people who do not have the right to work at the moment.

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Saudization is no fun :no:

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Flirting at its best. :stuck_out_tongue:

Lets make sure that we are using the term consistently

1-Citizen- citizen by birth or naturalization
2-Immigrant- legal resident of the country who has not yet become a citizen

Then you have
3- people on work visas, guest workers
4- illegal ‘immigrants’

If the distinction is being made b/w 1 and 2 that is an issue aside from roles requiring citizenship in sensitive jobs that require special clearances

If its b/w 1 vs 3 or 4, I see no issue.

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Good points, everyone. :k:

And CEO :smack: Kya se kya bana diya!

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You dropped yourself into it! I just couldn’t ignore this as the true opportunist I am. I’ll just continue eating my biryani now…