Favorite Mughal Emperor

[Faris_Udeen]

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What is the similarity between Babar and Zardari?

Both think there is no next time.

Babar: Baber ba aish kosh k alam dobara neest
Zardar: Zardari ba corruption kosh k hukoomat dobara neest

Muqqawee123 That had me in stitches. I suppose theres a vast difference between Babur and Zardari though at least Babur was a better leader.

As with your second post I agree in part with what you say. Sher Shah Suri was a superb figure and almost as illustrious as Babur. Babur probably achieved greater success as a war leader though. Much of his achievments are played down but like Sher Shah Suri both were revolutionary figures. I definately think that Sher Shah had the edge over Humayun though and most of the subsequent Mughals.

In the above posts, there was mention of Turkic rule before the Mughals. You mean people from Turkey ruled India for a while? I recall Timur the lame, Genghis Khan and Mohammed Gazni ruled India before the Mughals. Were they all Turks? And what about the Mughals - what is their race - are they Mongols?

In answer to your question my friend Southie it is very complicated.
Both the Turks and Mongols hail from the depths of Steppes Central Asia. Most people assume Turks come from Turkey but in reality they like the Mongols started off in the region close to Modern day China and Mongolia. Turkic people have migrated around the region since pre-historic times. The great Rajputs of India are also a Steppes race so technically all of them are like cousins.

The Indian subcontinet was invaded most by these peoples. First the Saka people and Xiognu (Huns) then the ancestors of the Rajputs, then the Turks and Mongols with a few Arab incursions inbetween. The majority of Indian invaders whoever are not from the West but the North. The Turkic people seemed to be the leading invaders since the Middle ages. The Ghaznavids, Seljuks and the Slave dynasties which ruled India were all Turkic.

The Mongols were thier relatives and bitter rivals, Timur founder of the Timurids was a Mongol as was Shaibani Khan the founder of Uzbeks. These two also got locked in a power strugle over Transoxiania. Mughal is simply the Persian translation of Mongol.

Babur was of the Chagatai Clan of Mongols who traced thier lineage all the way back to Ghengis Khan. Becuase the Uzbeks and Persians were both driving the Timurid faction out of Central Asia Babur swept Southwards in search of “New Territory” what he founded was the Mughal kingdom of India. Incedentally the Mughals originally spoke a now almost extinct language of Chugta (Chagatai) but later thanks to Humayun who spent time in Persia the language changed to Persian hence how Mongol became Mughal.

[muqawwee123]

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@Faris_Udeen

Babur was of the Chagatai Clan of Mongols who traced thier lineage all the way back to Ghengis Khan. Becuase the Uzbeks and Persians were both driving the Timurid faction out of Central Asia Babur swept Southwards in search of “New Territory” what he founded was the Mughal kingdom of India. Incedentally the Mughals originally spoke a now almost extinct language of Chugta (Chagatai) but later thanks to Humayun who spent time in Persia the language changed to Persian hence how Mongol became Mughal.

If Chagtai and Qizlibash are Mughals then we had a mughal ruler who ruled Pakistan after partition. His habits were quite similar to mughal princess (sharab o shabab).. Yes I’m talking about Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan.

Yahya Khan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_(tribe)

[Faris_Udeen]

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Yep thats possible though the Aga Khan is not actually Mughal I think his ancestry is Persian ;)
As for Yahya I can say he follows a simmilar pattern.

We must not mix up Chagatai and Qizilbash here. Qizilbash or (redheads) were elite Persian troops who served the likes of Ismail Shah. Yahya is decended from them. Those who are fammiliar with the Baburnama can recall that the Qizlibash and other troops of Shah Ismail were the reason why Babur came South. Shah Ismail more than anyone placed Babur on the run and Babur had good reason to do so.

[Southie]

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@Faris_Udeen

In answer to your question my friend Southie it is very complicated.
Both the Turks and Mongols hail from the depths of Steppes Central Asia. Most people assume Turks come from Turkey but in reality they like the Mongols started off in the region close to Modern day China and Mongolia. Turkic people have migrated around the region since pre-historic times. The great Rajputs of India are also a Steppes race so technically all of them are like cousins.

The Indian subcontinet was invaded most by these peoples. First the Saka people and Xiognu (Huns) then the ancestors of the Rajputs, then the Turks and Mongols with a few Arab incursions inbetween. The majority of Indian invaders whoever are not from the West but the North. The Turkic people seemed to be the leading invaders since the Middle ages. The Ghaznavids, Seljuks and the Slave dynasties which ruled India were all Turkic.

The Mongols were thier relatives and bitter rivals, Timur founder of the Timurids was a Mongol as was Shaibani Khan the founder of Uzbeks. These two also got locked in a power strugle over Transoxiania. Mughal is simply the Persian translation of Mongol.

Babur was of the Chagatai Clan of Mongols who traced thier lineage all the way back to Ghengis Khan. Becuase the Uzbeks and Persians were both driving the Timurid faction out of Central Asia Babur swept Southwards in search of “New Territory” what he founded was the Mughal kingdom of India. Incedentally the Mughals originally spoke a now almost extinct language of Chugta (Chagatai) but later thanks to Humayun who spent time in Persia the language changed to Persian hence how Mongol became Mughal.

Thank you Faris. This trread appears to be sticky!

Why did you refer to one of the Turkic clans as Slavic dynasty? Were they originally slaves?

Fascinating to read the Rajputs could also have been Turkic in origin - and that the Turks referred to here may not be from present day Turkey. Makes my head spin while reading all this.

Maybe one can start a thread about why Hindustan was constantly being invaded and conquered. Were the locals not good fighters?

[Faris_Udeen]

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Why did you refer to one of the Turkic clans as Slavic dynasty? Were they originally slaves?

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Yes it is so. Mohammad Ghori who led the first Invasion of India to have gone as far as Delhi was a man who had no sons. He claimed his slave army were his sons and his right hand man was his slave Qutub-Udeen Aybak. This Qutub Udeen is the very same one of whom in Delhi is remembered as the builder of the Qutub Minar or Qutub Tower. Which at the time was the highest brick built tower in the World. Qutub Udeen was also the founder of the Delhi sultanate and his Dynasty is reffered to as the Slave dynasty. This co-incidentally was around the same time the "Mamluke" slave Dynasty was rising to power in the Arab world... particularly in Egypt and Iraq.

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Maybe one can start a thread about why Hindustan was constantly being invaded and conquered. Were the locals not good fighters?
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Yes for a long time I have been meaning to open a more in depth thread on this subject. Briefly though I would be tempted to say thanks to years of ingrained Pakistani military arrogance that yeah India had poor home defences... but that would hardly be fair nor accurate.

From a neutral viewpoint or as nuetral as possible one would have to say it was many factors chiefly technology. India has always been a rich land and this has been the reason for its invasion by others. From pre-historic times India was isolated from the rest of Asia, afterall it was a drifting piece of Africa for a long time. However this isolation was bad since other hostile nations had learned to harness horses and make better use of weapons than the natives of India. Likewise Egypt too was a simmilar case as was North America. Ussually the invaders were better organised and had better technology since they were more often then not hunter gatherers. While most of India's people have been settled farming communities even the semi Nomadic Rajputs as I have said were from outside the Subcontinent originally.

[Southie]

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@Faris_Udeen

Yes it is so. Mohammad Ghori who led the first Invasion of India to have gone as far as Delhi was a man who had no sons. He claimed his slave army were his sons and his right hand man was his slave Qutub-Udeen Aybak. This Qutub Udeen is the very same one of whom in Delhi is remembered as the builder of the Qutub Minar or Qutub Tower. Which at the time was the highest brick built tower in the World. Qutub Udeen was also the founder of the Delhi sultanate and his Dynasty is reffered to as the Slave dynasty. This co-incidentally was around the same time the "Mamluke" slave Dynasty was rising to power in the Arab world... particularly in Egypt and Iraq.

Yes for a long time I have been meaning to open a more in depth thread on this subject. Briefly though I would be tempted to say thanks to years of ingrained Pakistani military arrogance that yeah India had poor home defences... but that would hardly be fair nor accurate.

From a neutral viewpoint or as nuetral as possible one would have to say it was many factors chiefly technology. India has always been a rich land and this has been the reason for its invasion by others. From pre-historic times India was isolated from the rest of Asia, afterall it was a drifting piece of Africa for a long time. However this isolation was bad since other hostile nations had learned to harness horses and make better use of weapons than the natives of India. Likewise Egypt too was a simmilar case as was North America. Ussually the invaders were better organised and had better technology since they were more often then not hunter gatherers. While most of India's people have been settled farming communities even the semi Nomadic Rajputs as I have said were from outside the Subcontinent originally.

Thanks Faris. You are putting together missing pieces - and making my history education whole. Qutb Din - did not realize he was Gori's slave. Good logic on the natives of India not being technologically savvy weaponwise due to their relative isolation.

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

How lovely! A single sentence to describe Humayon’s personality.

Do you believe the story that Babar saved Humayon’s life by offering his life. Look at the following scene from PTV drama Babar where Babar is praying for health of Humayon and offering his life.

Muqaweeji, I do believe in this, I saw this same thing in a TV Drama “Mein Dilli Hoon” long ago. Humayun was a great son and he was worth giving up life. He risked his entire fortune for a hindu sister, karmavati, wife of Rana Sanga. Rana was defeated in Khanwa but Babur was reluctant to put his royal flag on his fort claiming that he had fought in the company of Rana sanga whom he called lion in panipat against Ibrahim Lodhi. And grandson of Rana Sanga was Maharana Pratap who fought battle of haldighati against Akbar but never accepted his suzernity. Throughout his life Humayun kept on forgiving his brothers even though it was due to their inactions he lost his kingdom, finally when his troops said that they would revolt if he continued to pardon Kamran Mirza he took preventive action against him. He is actually humanity personified, as a son he was all Babar can think of, as a king he had limited success but his such great quality gave him a loyal Turkmen Bairam khan, who not only won second battle of panipat for him and instated a 14 year old Akbar as emperor, whom he could have easily dethroned, this is all because of humayun’s personal greatness. An emperor has to take political decisions but humayun was always personally correct and politically wrong, due to this his political life was in mess and personally he was an accomplished person.In India, it is also believed that birth chart of Buddhist king Ashoka the great has same planetary position like that of Jalaluddin Akbar and it was predicted by a hindu priest that he would become shenshah of Hindustan. Akbar invited great Bhakti saint Goswami Tulsidas, writer of Ramcharitmanas to his darbar in Fatehpur Sikri, but the saint declined by saying that a saint his above earthly pleasure.

@Southie

Thank you Faris. This trread appears to be sticky!

Why did you refer to one of the Turkic clans as Slavic dynasty? Were they originally slaves?

Fascinating to read the Rajputs could also have been Turkic in origin - and that the Turks referred to here may not be from present day Turkey. Makes my head spin while reading all this.

Maybe one can start a thread about why Hindustan was constantly being invaded and conquered. Were the locals not good fighters?

Southee, not every tribe invaded India, my tribe is Scythian from Central Asia, I am a jatt sikh, my tribe sneaked in when Kushan empire was weakening, that is why we are not mentioned in hindu Vedas. Indo greek king menander, kushan empire, was greek in origin but he was devout vaishnav. Before invasion of Islam, anyone who invaded or sneaked in became part of Sanatan Dharam, Hinduism. You might have heard about infamous Khap Panchayat of Jats in Haryana, it is similar in structure and functions with Pashtun culture of Loya Jirga.. Jat/Jatt entered in after third century AD and remained farmer till Guru Gobind singh’s Khalsa army.

Rajputs are not mentioned as Kshatriyas in Hindu Vedas and Purans, the kshytriya tribes are like Ikshavaku, avanteya, yadavs etc. these tribes claims themselves Chandravanshi where as Rajput claim themselves as Suryavanshi. Rajpoot comes from vedic word Raj Putra, royal sons, Rajpoot from rajasthan are Suryavanshi, the thakurs of northern India who also use rajput titles are mostly chandravanshi, agnivanshi or nagvanshi precisely as mentioned in Vedic literature where as Suryavanshi Rajasthani Rajputs are post vedic creature and are mentioned in post vedic literature like Ramayan and Mahabharat

@Southie

Thanks Faris. You are putting together missing pieces - and making my history education whole. Qutb Din - did not realize he was Gori’s slave. Good logic on the natives of India not being technologically savvy weaponwise due to their relative isolation.

Chankya said long ago, if your economic strength doesn’t translate into military strength your kingdom remains most vulnerable. India was rich land, it was protected by hindukush mountains in west and Himalaya from north thus preventing both dry winds and snow from north giving moderate winters and fertile lands. When a society lives in abundance it hardly thinks about exploring anything, adi shankracharya philosophy “Braham satyam jagat mithya” god is truth and world is illusion was the primary mindset of ours for centuries, Apart from that we had obsolete rule of engagement, like prithiviraj chauhan didn’t chase the retreating army of ghouri after first battle of Tarain claiming that Suryavanshi never hit at the back of enemy. Krishna of mahabharat would have termed this as tactical mistake though

[the_kaur]

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[muqawwee123]

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Noorjehan the defacto emperor during Jahangir's rule was very talented and cunning woman, who expolited Jehangir's love for her for a long time. It is said that Jahangir had effectively delegated all powers to Noorjehan and many historian quote that he was just content with a seer of sharab (alcohal) and a half seer of meat. She had tussles with Shahjahan on issue of succession as she wanted Jehangir's son Shehryar (husband of her daughter Ladli Begum from her first marriage) to succeed Jehangir.

Apart from her involvement in power game she was very talented lady and it is said that costumes designed by her remained in fasion for over a century.

[Southie]

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Southee, not every tribe invaded India, my tribe is Scythian from Central Asia, I am a jatt sikh, my tribe sneaked in when Kushan empire was weakening, that is why we are not mentioned in hindu Vedas. Indo greek king menander, kushan empire, was greek in origin but he was devout vaishnav. Before invasion of Islam, anyone who invaded or sneaked in became part of Sanatan Dharam, Hinduism. You might have heard about infamous Khap Panchayat of Jats in Haryana, it is similar in structure and functions with Pashtun culture of Loya Jirga.. Jat/Jatt entered in after third century AD and remained farmer till Guru Gobind singh’s Khalsa army.

Rajputs are not mentioned as Kshatriyas in Hindu Vedas and Purans, the kshytriya tribes are like Ikshavaku, avanteya, yadavs etc. these tribes claims themselves Chandravanshi where as Rajput claim themselves as Suryavanshi. Rajpoot comes from vedic word Raj Putra, royal sons, Rajpoot from rajasthan are Suryavanshi, the thakurs of northern India who also use rajput titles are mostly chandravanshi, agnivanshi or nagvanshi precisely as mentioned in Vedic literature where as Suryavanshi Rajasthani Rajputs are post vedic creature and are mentioned in post vedic literature like Ramayan and Mahabharat

Chankya said long ago, if your economic strength doesn’t translate into military strength your kingdom remains most vulnerable. India was rich land, it was protected by hindukush mountains in west and Himalaya from north thus preventing both dry winds and snow from north giving moderate winters and fertile lands. When a society lives in abundance it hardly thinks about exploring anything, adi shankracharya philosophy “Braham satyam jagat mithya” god is truth and world is illusion was the primary mindset of ours for centuries, Apart from that we had obsolete rule of engagement, like prithiviraj chauhan didn’t chase the retreating army of ghouri after first battle of Tarain claiming that Suryavanshi never hit at the back of enemy. Krishna of mahabharat would have termed this as tactical mistake though

Wonderful analysis. I read this couple of times for everything to sink in. Thank you.

[the_kaur]

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@Faris_Udeen

Yes it is so. Mohammad Ghori who led the first Invasion of India to have gone as far as Delhi was a man who had no sons. He claimed his slave army were his sons and his right hand man was his slave Qutub-Udeen Aybak. This Qutub Udeen is the very same one of whom in Delhi is remembered as the builder of the Qutub Minar or Qutub Tower. Which at the time was the highest brick built tower in the World. Qutub Udeen was also the founder of the Delhi sultanate and his Dynasty is reffered to as the Slave dynasty. This co-incidentally was around the same time the "Mamluke" slave Dynasty was rising to power in the Arab world... particularly in Egypt and Iraq.

Yes for a long time I have been meaning to open a more in depth thread on this subject. Briefly though I would be tempted to say thanks to years of ingrained Pakistani military arrogance that yeah India had poor home defences... but that would hardly be fair nor accurate.

From a neutral viewpoint or as nuetral as possible one would have to say it was many factors chiefly technology. India has always been a rich land and this has been the reason for its invasion by others. From pre-historic times India was isolated from the rest of Asia, afterall it was a drifting piece of Africa for a long time. However this isolation was bad since other hostile nations had learned to harness horses and make better use of weapons than the natives of India. Likewise Egypt too was a simmilar case as was North America. Ussually the invaders were better organised and had better technology since they were more often then not hunter gatherers. While most of India's people have been settled farming communities even the semi Nomadic Rajputs as I have said were from outside the Subcontinent originally.

Faris Bhai, How did actually Muhammad Ghouri died?
I think primary reason of invaders victory was their war experience, and Invading tribes had extensive war experience, their weapon was both tried and tested and continous fighting made them to think about modernization of their weaponry and tactics.

Ghouri came with the archery and rajput fought mostely with sword and Javelin, The extensive use of archery was one tactical reason of his victory, Babur planned his every battle extensively plus he brought new thing called artillery but just like anyother tribe Mughals never cared in improvising their weaponary.

Noorjehan the defacto emperor during Jahangir's rule was very talented and cunning woman, who expolited Jehangir's love for her for a long time. It is said that Jahangir had effectively delegated all powers to Noorjehan and many historian quote that he was just content with a seer of sharab (alcohal) and a half seer of meat. She had tussles with Shahjahan on issue of succession as she wanted Jehangir's son Shehryar (husband of her daughter Ladli Begum from her first marriage) to succeed Jehangir.

Apart from her involvement in power game she was very talented lady and it is said that costumes designed by her remained in fasion for over a century.

Nurjehan became so much powerful that her name started appearing on the coins along with Jahangir, Jahangir was addicted to opium and she ran affairs of the state. who designed chandni chowk? was it Nurjehan or someone else. that was really the great job

Wonderful analysis. I read this couple of times for everything to sink in. Thank you.

This is beauty of being sanatan, ever existing, vedic literature talk of Indra, mitra, varun, agni gods and sing hymns about saraswati, post vedic ramayan and mahabharat sings about shiva, Vishnu, ram,Krishna and Ganga being awarded with all blessings that dry Saraswati had. Vedic geography is limited to modern day Punjab and almost whole Pakistan but Ramayan and mahabharat talks about south India and even Lanka. This means they shifted themselves from saraswati to ganges planes plus Hinduism reached southern India. Hanuman was from south India, Khishkindha, capital of sugriva is in Tamil Nadu. Mahishasore died in mysore and Mata tulsi’s husband Jalandhar died in jalandhar, Lahore gets name from Luv, shri ram’son, Rawalpindi, pind of rawal, name of bhagwan shiva, Dacca from Dakhineshwari Devi.

[blessed2006]

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**Which Mughal Emperor was your favorite and why????

**Akbar baadshah.....because it was played by Hritikh Roshan.

hahahahahahaha

:p

[muqawwee123]

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**Which Mughal Emperor was your favorite and why????

**Akbar baadshah.....because it was played by Hritikh Roshan.

hahahahahahaha

:p

Akbar baadshah.....because it was played by Hritikh Roshan alongwith Aishwarya Rai (Kisi ki Jaan)

How about Rasheed Naz & Prithvi Raaj. BTW, In PTV Drama Taan Sen, Hassam Qazi played the Akbar.

[blessed2006]

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Akbar baadshah.....because it was played by Hritikh Roshan alongwith Aishwarya Rai (Kisi ki Jaan)

How about Rasheed Naz & Prithvi Raaj. BTW, In PTV Drama Taan Sen, Hassam Qazi played the Akbar.

hehe

i didnot see prithvi raaj role as akber. however rasheed was great as akber in 'anarkali song'.....and yup hassam was good too in tansen.

[muqawwee123]

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hehe

i didnot see prithvi raaj role as akber.

Don't tell me you didn't watch 'Mughal e Azam'.

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Nurjehan became so much powerful that her name started appearing on the coins along with Jahangir, Jahangir was addicted to opium and she ran affairs of the state. who designed chandni chowk? was it Nurjehan or someone else. that was really the great job

Are you talking about Chandni Chowk Delhi. I have some doubts that it was designed by Noor Jehan due to following:

(1) As per Wikipedia:

In 1639, Mughal emperor Shahjahan built a new walled city in Delhi which served as the capital of the Mughal Empire from 1649 to 1857 (and the terms between Noorjehan & Shahjahan may not allow her participation in designing part of a city built/ renovated by Shahjahan.

(2) After death of Jehangir in 1628, she was confined to a comfortable mansion for the rest of her life as she opposed succession of Shah Jehan which cost her seclusion as her brother Asif khan (who was father in law of Shah Jehan) took side of Shah Jehan.

As per Wikipedia:

Chandni Chowk was Built in 17th century by Shah Jahan and designed by his daughter Jahan Ara.

After Jehangir’s death, Noor Jehan was involved in supervising construction of her father’s tomb at Agra known as ‘Aitmad u daula tomb’ and built her own tomb situated at Shahdra, Lahore Pakistan. Wikipedia says, she used to write poetry (persian poems) with the name Makhfi, but I think it was Aurangzeb’s daughter Zaib-un-Nisa who used to write poetry with the name ‘Makhfi’ and as per some historians was very rebellious princess bcoz reportedly Aurangzeb got her lover killed by putting the big degcha on fire where he was hidden .

[Faris_Udeen]

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Faris Bhai, How did actually Muhammad Ghouri died?
I think primary reason of invaders victory was their war experience, and Invading tribes had extensive war experience, their weapon was both tried and tested and continous fighting made them to think about modernization of their weaponry and tactics.

Ghouri came with the archery and rajput fought mostely with sword and Javelin, The extensive use of archery was one tactical reason of his victory, Babur planned his every battle extensively plus he brought new thing called artillery but just like anyother tribe Mughals never cared in improvising their weaponary.

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Hmmm nobody really knows for sure how Ghori died. Most likely he died at the hands of Assasins hired either by his rivals as is often believed he was killed by radical Ismaelis or he died in one of his campaigns in Southern Afghanistan. There are various myths about his death everything from Prithviraj Chauhan killing him (Prithviraj most probably died either at Tarain or shortly After) to him dying while trying to invade China.

Co-incidentally Rajputs and many Indian armies also made extensive use of archery particlarly self bows, typically out of Bamboo. Unfortunately the invaders often used more powerfull composite bows and gradually they came to dominate the scene. Much is made of Baburs artillery but while it certainly was decisive in earlier battles it was by no means the wonder weapon one thinks. At Khanwa for example the Moguls artillery was not as decisive as thier use of high ground and counter charges from above.

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This is beauty of being sanatan, ever existing, vedic literature talk of Indra, mitra, varun, agni gods and sing hymns about saraswati, post vedic ramayan and mahabharat sings about shiva, Vishnu, ram,Krishna and Ganga being awarded with all blessings that dry Saraswati had. Vedic geography is limited to modern day Punjab and almost whole Pakistan but Ramayan and mahabharat talks about south India and even Lanka. This means they shifted themselves from saraswati to ganges planes plus Hinduism reached southern India. Hanuman was from south India, Khishkindha, capital of sugriva is in Tamil Nadu. Mahishasore died in mysore and Mata tulsi’s husband Jalandhar died in jalandhar, Lahore gets name from Luv, shri ram’son, Rawalpindi, pind of rawal, name of bhagwan shiva, Dacca from Dakhineshwari Devi.

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Thats great knowledge and thanks for sharing.

Oh and thanks also to Muqawee123 although I sometimes find Wikipedia is not always correct this time I can say that the article about Shah Jahan being the primary creator of Chandni Chowk in Delhi.

Nur Jahan was not as well known for her archetectural side, while Sha Jahan on the other hand was probably the most influential in this field so no surprises for him being the likely candidate in this matter.

[blessed2006]

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Don't tell me you didn't watch 'Mughal e Azam'.

no i didnot.

[Sannan]

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Babar and Ahmad Shah Rangeela

[muqawwee123]

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@Blessed Kon log ho tussi