Fatwa on Taliban.....

[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
If they are on authentic sunnah and Islamic way, why are they suffering from famine and disease in Afghanistan? Why is there a civil war going on within the country when "they are suppose to be on the religon of peace" but there is no sign of peace in Afghanistan....
[/quote]

Muslims will always be subject to 'mujahida'. Allah SWT made this world not for pleasures, but for hardships. Hence, its unfair to equate the hardships being faced by the afghanis as distress signals...i-e, if u wish to look at it from a Quranic POV.

Prophet SAW never lived a day of his life without mujahida. He was enagaged in wars and struggles throughout his life. Some wars were against kuffaar, and others against munafiqeen. The afghan war of the Taleban is against munafiqeen. Though the opposition forces are comprised of muslims as well, yet those 'muslims' are puppeteered by Russia, and we all know what russia stands for.

It is being bombarded with sanctions and hate from all over the place.

The underlying reason for that is solely Islam. When was the last time you saw a western country being friends with a muslim country because of Islam?

The reason for sanctions is none other than America's individual and egotistical demand for Usama bin Laden. That is the sole reason. What does this reason have anything to do with how Afghanistan is being run?

And its the sanctions that are killing the people left and right, not the war. The war is all but won. Taleban has better than 95% of Afghanistan under control.

'Control of women' is something that the west has manufactured in order to establish their illegitimate sanctions on Afghanistan. Otherwise, women in Afghanistan have rights similar to what they have in Saudi arabia, or any other mideastern country. When was the last time you heard USA speaking out against Saudi 'oppression' of women? They wouldnt do that, because Saudi Arabia is their bread and butter.

I may not agree with everything the taleban do, but they certainly deserve more of our association than the west. For once, we have to stand up for what our faith dictates, rather than what the western media dictates.

You totally missed watcher's point Eastern Analog. Who is saying the way Saudis treat women is right? He never said that. He raised some valid points and he is only pointing out the terrible mistakes of Taliban, which anybody can see. A true follower of quran and sunnah will NEVER do any of the barbaric acts the Talibans or for that matter the Saudis these days are doing. Watcher or me or nobody is praising America in any way, but America is not a part of discussion here. We are talking about the brutal behavior of Taliban who "do not want to listen to anybody else" and who "deny women the basic human right of education". What is not clear to you? Or are u denying the bitter facts of Taliban attrocities just for the sake of denying them??

Wake up brother.

Your sister in Islam.

Quran and the happenings of this entire universe stand a true witness to all of Allah's Words and His promises. 'Taliban government' is a topic which keeps resurfacing every couple of days. Sadly, seems like it's a topic of controversy not only for the Western hemisphere but for some Muslims as well. Don't let the non believers succeed in making this the basis of division among Ummah. It's not going to be them who will be responsible for damage but rather us Muslims ourselves. And we will be not partially but SOLELY responsible for this division.

Media is the most valuable and powerful asset of the West. This is what they use to hurt races and ethnicities they fear. Therefore, it is the most unrelibable source of information cuz it's not a means of educating and awareness but rather a tool of exploitation. Count on it to be just that and nothing more specially when it's concerning the Islamic Hemisphere or Muslim affairs.

Sometimes reading or watching is not enough to believe. One's gotta be in the right place in others' shoes to understand where they are coming from or why they choose to act the way they do. If Afghani women are being repressed or taken advantage of why don't they come forward? If conditions are at a life and death sort of stake for Afgani women why aren't any of the global "fighting- for-women's-freedom" agencies doing anything? Don't tell me that U.S. who is supposedly so smart and "humane" and who never hesitates eliminating anything they don't like with fire isn't strong enough to go in there and rescue the a handful of Afghani sisters who are so called repressed by their fathers, brothers, spouses and sons. Why does the Western hemisphere fail to put at least one such case of repression under limelight?

Talking of freedom what kind of freedom do women of the present age require? Is the freedom which our Creator and His Prophet (SAW) given us not enough for us? In what other kind of freedom does our protection lie as well? Is there any other society or religion which gives freedom and protection at the same time? Why is it that we always feel the need to go against the Wills and likenesses of the One and Only who sends us in this world, feeds us, breeds us, makes us successful?

If Allah orders for us to cover yourselves then we should do so. Allah's laws are there for a reason. By following them we don't do Allah any good but ourselves. They are for our own salvation. If Talibans are patrolling cities with guns literally carrying out the order of salat as Peace maker has said and which is the case then hats of to such men who show utmost dedication to religion before anything else. If they guard their iman, themselves and their women 24/7 then they deserve a standing ovation for not only believing in virtous character & piouness but also implementing it and guarding the teachings of Islam and words of Allah. They deserve the world-wide Muslim support no matter what cuz they are right. They are struggling under the shade of the Quran and by the blessings of Allah's commands. They are in the truest meanings of the word Mujahid. Don't let what divides us Muslims be greater than what unites us. Islamic way of life is the best theology. That's the foremost teaching os Islam. We should be content that what Allah chooses for us is best. And it's up to us to make sure that His investment in us pays off.

As far as Taliban having to face hardships are concerned then one should know that it's not because they are wrong but because resentment follows spiritual stagnation. Being a Muslim is all about passing the test of practicality with our Iman and Talibans are doing just that.

[This message has been edited by Rarediamonds & Gold (edited February 25, 2001).]

Peacemaker,

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif

Rarediamonds & Gold, very nicely said. :slight_smile:

sadia mujahid

Shame on the so called Afghani mullahs who only care for their victories, killing innocent people in the name of Islam and denying women the basic human right to get education. What kind of Islam is that? This is double-standards.

Shame on them for giving them the right of living in safety?

Taliban got rid of Iranian / Russians puppets from Afghanistan. Leaders before Taliban promised the same, but instead these leaders turned out to be the very deep roots of all the troubles that the Afghan people were suffering from. These puppets destroyed 90% of all valuable art and history of Pashtoons (Pathans) in Afghan. From historical museums to famous libraries, all burned down to dust.

The problem of lack of schools and education for women in Afghanistan was there before. Matter of fact it was worst. Young girls that went to schools never came back home. Women were taken by street mobs pretending to be taxi drivers in numbers. And other horrible things that one can only wish to Allah (swt) that he may protect us from such things.

That time no one knew, or cared after the war was over. They left Afghanistan under the supervision of power hungry leaders.

Of course they had to stop women from going to schools and stop them from any sort of out side activity in order to insure their security. Taliban knew if they took over, the enemies will first take women as hostages. The best way to brake a person is to assault their females but the Taliban were to smart for that.

It was in the best interest at that time for Taliban not to speak of such things to the world because it was a matter of respect, honor and shame and still they hardly say a word.

When the Taliban came out in Khandahar for the first time, the west thought it’ll die like any other group.
But when they saw that the Taliban are not just any mob group and are taking the country under their control in no time with Sunnah in one hand and Shariah in the other, then all this absurd propaganda about them was all over the world.

Be good Muslims and do your selves a favor, read the following with open minds and take away all the doubts as it will keep you farther away from the truth.

** Women’s Life Conditions Presently and Under Rabbani Regime**

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is fully committed to the social, cultural and economic development of women. The government has been able to protect the honor, life and property of Afghan women. Contrary to the situation under the Rabbani regime, women can now be outside their houses safely without the fear of being kidnaped, raped or looted. They no longer fear conditions that were common during the Rabbani regime. According to amnesty international reports of 1992-95, women in Afghanistan bore the brunt of the atrocities by the Rabbani regime and other armed factions. Irresponsible commanders and gunmen not only violated the honor of women by raping them but mutilated women’s bodies and in many cases, cut their breasts etc. Similarly, common was murder, torture and execution of our people by the armed factions. Due to the intolerable atrocities, the Taleban Islamic Movement emerged to deliver the defenseless Afghan people from the cruel hands of the warlords.

The former regime that did not serve the country had employed women in a number of sectors without any real need. Some of them were used just for the sexual entertainment of the bureaucracy. Due to the ineffective and immoral institutions, they have temporarily been relieved of their duties. The government pays them their salaries regularly. But women whose work is really needed, are still working in the health, education and security sectors. As conditions in the country improve, so will, doubtlessly, job opportunities for women.

Women’s Education

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan considers education to be obligatory equally for men and women according to the tenets of Islam. This is a clear verdict of our religion. However, currently the country is in shambles, its economic structure destroyed and education facilities turned to rubble like much else in the country. Afghanistan requires appropriate foreign assistance to rebuild every aspect of educational institutions. The present war situation imposed and fueled by foreign powers diverts from Afghanistan’s already meager national resources that would be better allocated to opening more schools. Larger and more centrally-run schools in urban areas present the greatest challenge. Secondly, the Afghans do not trust the communist-style curriculum. We have to restore the trust of the common people in government-run education. We also need to compile a new curriculum that will answer to the needs of our society. Thirdly, the war has created a huge brain drain in all sectors including education. In order to successfully tackle restoration of educational, economic, political and social institutions, the government wants to attract Afghan professionals and intellectuals living abroad. We want them to take part in the reconstruction of their country. Without their full participation in the rehabilitation and development efforts, the Islamic Emirate will not be able to tackle these issues successfully.

Drug Control

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is ready to help the international community wipe out drug trafficking because the tenets of Islam enjoin on us to prevent cultivation, selling and use of intoxications whatsoever. On our part, we have taken drastic measures to put an end to drug trafficking, use of drugs and its production. Those found guilty are heavily punished according to the Emirate law. By dividing the problem into three categories, the Islamic Emirate has concentrated on the following facets of the problem:

  1. Use of Drug: The Islamic Emirate has imposed a strict ban on the use of drug in the country and great success has been achieved in this field.
  2. Drug Trafficking: The government of I.S.A. has legally prohibited production and trafficking of drugs and severe punishment has been introduced for perpetrators.
  3. The cultivation of marijuana has been easily brought under control because this product was not cultivated on a large scale. Similarly, the government has set up a commission with the UNO Narcotic Control Department to work out ways and means to completely put an end to cultivation of poppies. It can be achieved through providing crop substitute to farmers and introducing small projects in the area so that people will have a substantial income to lead their life .

Also visit www.taleban.com and http://www.taleban.com/taleb.htm.

All of your questions will be answered.

Salaaaaaam


We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

[This message has been edited by yOuNgBrAt (edited February 25, 2001).]

[quote]
Originally posted by sadia mujahid:
*You totally missed watcher's point Eastern Analog. Who is saying the way Saudis treat women is right? He never said that.............Wake up brother.
*

[/quote]

And I think you missed my point. I did not say that women are oppressed in Saudi Arabia. Thats what you choose to believe. And neither are they oppressed in Afghanistan. The reason I drew the comparison was to highlight the fact that the laws are similar in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, yet the USA only targets Afghanistan and its policies. Since the laws are very much the same in both Afghanistan and Saudi ARabia, why dont u see USA targeting Saudi Arabia the same way? I mentioned this example as a way to wake u up perhaps so u could see how you and a lot of other muslims are being blinded by hysterically false media reports emanating from west. And these reports never mention any area that has strategic importance to the USA.

No matter how similar Saudi arabian laws are to Afghanistan's, US will never speak out against them, as long as they have oil interests there. No matter how many massacres the jews commit in palestine, US will never condemn them.

We need to learn to differentiate our friends from our foes. Its not that hard.

i wonder whether all of u, who are such vehement supporters of taleban, are actually spending your lives the "taleban way"....
and i mean the complete taleban way.
i would really like to meet you guys in person.

or is the case with you, that what taleban are doing is good to like, good to see, good to comment on...and good to feel good, but not follow?

keep one thing in mind, that taleban are slowly coming to a more moderate and sensible interpretation of whatever they think.

like could you have imagined just a couple of years back, seeing their leaders in front of camera. no, a BIG NO. but they have understood now that its the need of the hour and is really not against islam. they realized when they are holding talks with world organizations, they need to show the world, who they are; instead of shying away from cameras because they in all their wisdom thought it against islam.

so u see, even the taleban can make wrong decisions. and they have made a lot. but they will learn with time and be more islamic in the true spirit of the great religion.

eastern analog, it seems that you are implying that a muslim must make sure that he spends his life fighting. like he
must find a way to do so, even if no
such opportunity really exists. cool!

[quote]
Originally posted by khawateen:
**ppl involved in the taliban movement should be first casterated, then hanged, then cut into itsy bitsy pcs....and then fed to the dogs.....they have really srewed up the meaning of islam...so much that ppl who don't know much about islam (westerners) think its torture for anyone to be muslim.....

**
[/quote]

khawateen, dont u think this is just way
too, too much. come on!

[This message has been edited by Scratch (edited February 26, 2001).]

Scratch, most of what Taleban are doing in Afghanistan was (and currently is in some places) practiced for ages in NWFP/Pakistan. This is nothing new for me, only new to those people who are westernly wasted.


We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

[This message has been edited by yOuNgBrAt (edited February 26, 2001).]

[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
**If they are on authentic sunnah and Islamic way, why are they suffering from famine and disease in Afghanistan? Why is there a civil war going on within the country when "they are suppose to be on the religon of peace" but there is no sign of peace in Afghanistan. It is being bombarded with sanctions and hate from all over the place. ALlah says in Quran if you follow my way(islam) we will give you control over other....(i do not know the exact verse).

I agree that they(taliban) have eliminated immoral and wehshiyaati stuff from their country[most of it] which is good. But they being on the TRUE sunnah is just exaggeration made by Ulemaas who like to control women and oppress them according to their wills.

Trade of drugs is big problem in Afghanistan and Taliban do it openly. Allah says in Quran that selling intoxicants and buying intoxicants is haram. [same goes for alcohol products].

**
[/quote]

The disease, sickness / illness and no peace statement you made is so ignorant and childish.

What do you have to say for hundreds of innocent Palestinian that are dying by the hands of Israeli?

Is it because they don’t have the right kind of faith in Allah (swt) or maybe because they are not following Islam the right? What do you have to say for Iraqis and Kashmiries?

Bad things happen to good Muslims also, that doesn’t mean that Allah (swt) is against them or they are bad followers.

Life is a test, not a quiz buddy.

Here is little more inf. involved foreign powers and a little about the drug concern of yours:

Taleban destroy heroin laboratories

BBC: The Taleban authorities in Afghanistan say they have destroyed twenty-five heroin laboratories in the southwest of the country.

More than a hundred kilograms of heroin was also destroyed in the operation that took place on Friday.

Afghanistan is the world's largest largest producer of opium, from which heroin is made.

Although the Taleban authorities have sought to curb the cultivation of opium poppies, more than twenty years of civil war have left many farmers without an alternative to it.

Correspondents say the production is unlikely to stop without international assistance to find another cash crop

Afghan commander defects over Russians

BBC: An Afghan opposition commander who defected last week to the ruling Taleban has said he changed sides because of Russian support for the anti-Taleban alliance.
Commander Mahmoud Surkha told a news conference in Kabul that he had seen Russian military officers and advisors in the ranks of the opposition commander, Ahmad Shah Masood.
Opposition officials deny the presence of foreign advisors.
But they say that as the opposition is the internationally recognized government of Afghanistan, it can seek military aid from any country.

Amir-ul-Mumineen condemns Russian conspiracies against Afghanistan.

During the recent telephone interview with the BBC, Amir-ul-Mumineen Mullah Mohammad Omar Mujahid fielded questions on current developments in Afghan affairs.

Responding to a question about the meeting held between Russia's defense minister and opposition militia leader Ahmad Shah Masood in Tajikistan, Amir-ul-Mumineen said that the Russians had oppressed Afghan people, killed millions of Muslims in Afghanistan, and destroyed the country. "They are the root cause of all misfortunes suffered by the Afghan people. The meeting of Ahmad Shah Masood with the Russian defense minister in an atmosphere of mutual security cooperation is akin to destruction for Masood, because he used to consider himself to be from the Mujahideen, but now he has proven -- by throwing himself into the embrace of the Russians -- that he is their puppet and deputy in Afghanistan."

In reply to a question about the regions of Afghanistan remaining under opposition control, Amir-ul-Mumineen said, "The authority of the Islamic Emirate stretches over 95% of Afghanistan and it will rule the remaining 5% as well, Allah willing. Rebutting the allegations of the opposition about the IEA permitting the Pakistani military to interfere in Afghan affairs, Amir-ul-Mumineen described them as fabrications to which there is no truth.


Ahmad Shah Masood, he fought against these people and lost his fellow Mujahideen brothers to the Russian and now he is holding hands with the enemy for power. Truly is a shame.


We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

[This message has been edited by yOuNgBrAt (edited February 26, 2001).]

An article I want sadia mujahid, khawateen and others to read with an open mind. Please read each and every word.


The Vilification of Taliban or the Victimization of a Nation

The Hidden Agenda Behind the Feminist Majority Campaign

By Jahan Stanizai

The Afghan women are safe behind the burqa, but it is the Feminist Majority that remains in the dark on this side of the veil and the cultural divide.

The Feminist Majority accuses the current regime of the Taliban in Afghanistan with violations of civil liberties and has launched a vicious campaign under the name of the so-called "gender apartheid" against them. With connections in high places in the media, like Jay Leno, the Feminist Majority has made some headway with this issue.

The Feminist Majority view in the American cultural context represents as limited and narrow perspective on the lives of women in Afghanistan. This is partly due to the complexity of the issue where regional political and economic interests play an important role calling into question the integrity, survival, and sovereignty of several states in the region. In that context the Feminist Majority's position is not only out of context, but also very simplistic.

The Taliban are successful in keeping peace in 95% of the country and that is the major factor, among others, in their popularity and acceptance by the Afghan nation. In the remaining five percent of the country, in the north, a war is imposed on the people through foreign military and political intervention where the Russians supply weapons and munitions to the opposition in the hopes of preventing the construction of a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan for a more accessible port on the Indian Ocean. By doing so, the Russians will accomplish thee goals: 1) Keeping the Taliban from succeeding to political power in Afghanistan, 2) keep the hands of American oil companies off from the region, and 3) keep the gas supply in the region which will make Russia the beneficiary. The Russians want to compensate their early military loss with political and economic gains by means of interference in the domestic affairs of a neighboring country.

As an alternative route, Iran also wants to prevent the gas pipeline to go through Afghanistan. It is therefore no surprise that the Iranian government would support and even sponsor opposition speakers to come to the United States and speak on the women rights in Afghanistan while they deny the same to women in their own country.

This is why the Feminist Majority, perhaps without their comprehensive understanding of the issue, is employed in an anti-Taleban campaign.

A further evidence of the Feminist Majority's shallow position is that they were silent during the atrocities of the Soviet occupation and the pre-Taliban regimes: When they deprived the Afghan women not only of their education, but also stripped them of their social support by taking the lives of their fathers, husbands, brothers and sons, engaging them in a self serving war, while looting their homes raping their daughters, mothers, and sisters for sixteen years.

After the installation of communist government in Afghanistan in 1978, most of the educated intellectuals were either imprisoned or killed. A few were successful to flee the country, among the millions who became refugees in Pakistan and Iran.
The threat of communism forced Afghanistan's neighbors and friends including the US to support the freedom fighters, the Mujahideen.

In 1989, the Mujahideen succeeded not only in the overthrow of the communist regime in Afghanistan, but also in the break up of the USSR and the whole East bloc in the same year making the United States of America the only Super Power.

In return the United States turned its back on the people of Afghanistan at this very critical moment when the politically inexperienced Mujahideen succeeded to power. As a result, the Russians continued to fuel the lost war by pitting brother against brother, deliberately and specifically, targeting the women, well aware of the sensitivities of the Muslims in this regard. Not only millions of lives were lost, but also homes were looted, women's public bathing houses were attacked, women were raped and many were forced into marriages against their will.

Suicide rate among young girls was on the rise, depression was a common illness among women. The country's economic, social, political and educational infrastructure was totally destroyed. As one journalist had put it there is not an inch of the country that does not have a bullet hole in it. Although schools were open in name, no one could attend for the past 23 years. There was lack of teachers and curriculum.

The Feminist Majority refers to some of these atrocities in their literature, and blaming them on Taliban who were not even the political arena at that time.

When the Afghan people were fed up with war, hunger, poverty, starvation, looting, attacks, and killings, they begged their sons, who had escaped Afghanistan during the war as children and were now young men with some religious education to take over the country and end the civil war. Having Afghan blood in their veins, the young students (Taleban) finally, entered the political arena in 1994 at the behest of the Afghan people, mostly composed of women since the majority of men lost their lives in the war.
As terrible as they may sound through the waves of American media and through the eyes of Feminist Majority, the Taleban are a ten-fold improvement on the statuesque-ante and will not allow the disintegration of Afghanistan.

The Taleban are devoted Muslims who stand firm against terrorism, and against the production and sale of illicit drugs and its use. They believe in the education for all Afghans men and women alike, and they consider the term gender apartheid as a term used for their vilification.

In the spirit of cultural pluralism that we advocate at home, the United States, as the self proclaimed world leader, must not dictate to other sovereign nations what is best for them. If dealt with fairly, the Taliban will make every effort to resolve any political differences that may create a friction between Afghanistan and the world community. On the other hand, if we label, criticize and antagonize the Taliban for our political agenda, we will achieve nothing but to push them into the hands of extremists.

We, the people of United States, must remain fair, objective and independent in our worldview. We must come out of our ethnocentric cocoon and believe in other cultures as different, not inferior. We must bring to the attention of our government to practice and redefine the terms, terrorism, drug dealing and human rights as they are, not as we want them to be.

Terror is defined in Webster as, creating intense fear, violence committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands. Terrorism is the systemic use of terror as means of coercion.

We must firmly stand against terrorism, from the bombing of Hiroshima to the missile attack on Afghanistan, from the invasion of Afghanistan to the suppression of Chechnya from the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia to the killing of unarmed civilian protesters in Palestine, from the massacres in Rwanda to the occupation and suppression of Kashmir, from the bombing of the World Trade Center towers to the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma….

Terrorism is an act of cowardice. History has proven that the people of Afghanistan are brave. They sacrificed nearly 2 million lives, more than 10 percent of their entire population to liberate the world from the menace of communism. It is a shame that the Western media have equated the name of Afghans and Afghanistan with terrorism by interference or indifference while no Afghans has ever been involved or implicated in any act of terrorism.

Drug production and trafficking is a problem that has overwhelmed even the most powerful government in the world. We must realize, that alcohol and tobacco are also drugs and are the main cause of mental illness and social malaise in our society. They take the lives of more than half a million Americans every year. If we in America are subsidizing the liquor and tobacco industry for tax benefits, how can we, in good conscious, blame the Taleban's alleged involvement in drug trafficking?

The Afghan farmers have limited options in the productions of crops on their meager farmlands. In spite of this, however, the Taleban have placed a ban on drug production. This may be an uphill battle in view of the circumstances since the Afghan nation is on the verge of starvation. Massive landmines, severe drought, extensive military campaigns, and US-led UN imposed economic embargo have all impeded agriculture and severely affected the economy of the country. Threats of US missile attack further ads salt to the injury.

Afghan women have proven their strength by defending themselves against the Red Army of the former USSR. The women living in Afghanistan are the wives, daughters, sisters and mothers of Taleban. They do not need the help of the Feminist Majority in dealing with their own brothers, fathers, sons and husbands, especially when such help is mere gesturing promoting Feminism on the American political stage. This remote controlled sympathy extended to the Afghan women is irrelevant to their lives at this time, particularly when it is offered with little or no understanding of the cultural, religious, social, and political values of a society half a world away.

No government in the world can guarantee civil liberties in times of national emergencies and natural catastrophes. It is even more difficult for a government like the Taleban that has come to power after a brutal military invasion and a deadly civil war devastating the country's economic structure and political institutions. With no standing army and police force, anarchy that became the order of the day for too long has to be replaced with law and order. Nation building in such cases is an insurmountable challenge and civil liberties may be temporarily curtailed. That temporarily is currently prolonged by those who fuel the war by machine of the opposition military campaign. The statues quo victimizes the most vulnerable---the children, the elderly and the women. The road to a hell is indeed paved with good intentions.

The prerequisite for any democracy is political stability. Those who want civil liberties restored now should allow for the establishment of a stable, strong central government in Afghanistan, which is now possibly only through the Taleban. Only then, we can demand democratic reforms.

The Taleban realize that the education of men and women is a legal, political as well as religious obligation. Unfortunately, the current economic, social and political circumstances have forced them to prioritize their affairs differently.

Afghanistan is in process of evolution not revolution. Only time will bring the necessary changes that will make Afghanistan once again the Switzerland of Asia.

Today's students should be weaned away from the parochialism and ethnocentrism of yesterday. Their views must reflect a broader worldview in which we all can live in peace, regardless of our political, religious or ethnic inclination.

I call upon the US government to help lift the UN sanctioned economic embargo on the Taleban regime, and instead impose an arms embargo on all warring parties in Afghanistan. This way we would send food and medicine to a poverty-stricken nation, and ban weapons; both of which would prevent further loss of life.

I call upon the Feminist Majority to rethink its position in light of what have been said above.

Finally, I call upon our students to think globally and learn not only to think, but also to actively practice liberty and justice for all.

BY JAHAN STANIZAI

Jahan Stanizai is a doctorate student of Psychology at the California Graduate Institute.


We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

[quote]
Originally posted by Scratch:
*eastern analog, it seems that you are implying that a muslim must make sure that he spends his life fighting. like he
must find a way to do so, even if no
such opportunity really exists. cool!

*

[/quote]

Wrong.
Mujahida means struggle. A struggle is the opposite of relaxation. In other words, its better that a muslims life is full of struggles, because as muslims, our rewards lie in the hereafter, not in this world.
And if you have an easy life, full of pleasures, you are bound to have a lot of struggles in the hereafter.

Jihaad doesnt merely mean fighting with a gun or sword in your hand. Mujahida means struggle. The struggle could be in any sphere of your life. Some people have leisure jobs. Others can barely make ends meet. Theres the difference.

YB, those reports you are posting so eagerly, they were reported by BBC - WESTERN Media agent that you hate so much! Why do you fail to believe the other stuff that they broadcast and you happily accept the material which benefits you? Why the hypocrisy - either take everything from them or don't take anything that they report.

Palestinians are fighting kufar(kafirs), Talibans are fighting amonge themselves for many years and still no peace. Being on Islam means you should try not to kill of your own Muslim brothers but seek negotiation.


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*


----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----


*And cover not *Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when you know (what it is).
**Quran,Al-Baqara, 42.

Why is the fight between Muslims in Afghanistan is called Jihad? Is killing of muslim by muslim for the sake of power,"A Jihad"?
In Pakistan several militia group openly ask for donation for their Jihad in Afghanistan!

Watcher, excellent pointing of hypocrisy.

[This message has been edited by analyze it (edited February 26, 2001).]

Just for the sake of argument, lets say, that
[list=1]
[li]Talibaan have allowed all girls to pursue education in non-co-ed schools.[/li][li]Talibaan allow women to work in appropriate professions when they are properly attired in islamically acceptable dress, in line with islamic teachings.[/li][li]Talibaan are fighting the Northern Alliance because the Northern Alliance is resisting the imposition of islamic sharia in Afghanistan, and wants power for itself.[/li][li]The rest of the world shuns Afghanistan because, Talibaan refuse to hand over Osama who is fighting the forces of christianity/opression all over the world.[/li][li]Talibaan are working to reduce the poppy crop, but it is awefully hard because the economy is shattered and poppy is the only option for most farmers. Per UN reports, before UN imposed further sanctions and pulled out of Afghanistan, the Talibaan had really helped in cutting down on poppy production.[/li][/list=a]

Now, what other objection do you folks have?

Other than the stale argument of opression of women, share with us why you feel Talibaan are not implementing islamic sharia as they see it fit?

For YB, Go to afghanistan, help your bro’s there and be a real taleban,They need more of a physical help, which you know well, so instead of making the same rhetoric here, use your precious time to help them and get “Shaheed” by killing after many of your fellow muslim men.
BTW afghanistan is the one of the largest opium producing country in the world, which has played more havoc in pakistan than any other country.
Take care and trip to Taleban.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/cool.gif

[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
**YB, those reports you are posting so eagerly, they were reported by BBC - WESTERN Media agent that you hate so much! Why do you fail to believe the other stuff that they broadcast and you happily accept the material which benefits you? Why the hypocrisy - either take everything from them or don't take anything that they report.

Palestinians are fighting kufar(kafirs), Talibans are fighting amonge themselves for many years and still no peace. Being on Islam means you should try not to kill of your own Muslim brothers but seek negotiation.

**
[/quote]

totally agree with brother Watcher again. His points and arguments are short, to the point and valid. Instead of typing a long boring story like youngbrat, rare (girl from quresh), and eastern analog (peacemaker), Watcher proves his point in only a few words.

Thanks watcher bhayya!

your sister in Islam.

inna lillahey wa inna elaihay rijiun

Must check this out:
http://www.rawa.org/gallery.html

>>>>...instead of making the same rhetoric here, <<<<

I could say the same to you.

What point are you trying to make? You quote watcher, who alleges repeatedly the 'oppression/suppression' of women under the taliban government. Claims of oppression are being made repeatedly in this thread.
Perhaps its just me, but i don't see any proof validating those claims.

As Peacemaker said, the stale arguments of oppression, opium, have very little if any strength at all, and they have been refuted time and time again.

Realistically, judging from this thread, those of you who feel strongly against the taliban, have presented a pretty weak argument.

Sadia mujahid,

For you information, RAWA does not represent Afghanistan or Islam in any way.

It is/was a Maoist group whose leader had been killed in the infighting between pro-Moscow and pro-Peking communists. RAWA is trying to claim that it's leader was killed by 'fundamentalists' though there is no evidence for such a claim.

Furthermore, the very first word 'revolutionary' in RAWA is anathema to all Muslim Afghans because it was the staple of Communist propaganda coming out of Kabul.

[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited February 26, 2001).]

[quote]
Originally posted by yOuNgBrAt:
** Don’t tell me that you know more about Islam then Sheikh Hammoud Al-Uqlaa.
**
[/quote]

Al-Baqarah: 2/3
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah

Sorry but I didn't see Sheikh Hammoud Al-Uqlaa's name in the above ayaat ... I learn my Islam & Quran from Hazoor (saw) not someone else ...


Humanity First! Though I give you the right to disagree ...

[quote]
Originally posted by Peacemaker:
**
Talibaan malitia go around the streets at namaz times to ensure that all men attend namaz. They force men to grow beard. There is practically no violent crime in Afghanistan (if you ignore the war going on against the Northern Alliance).
[This message has been edited by Peacemaker (edited February 25, 2001).]**
[/quote]

In the time of Hazoor (saw) did he himself walked around Mecca or Medina ... ** forcing** people to come for Prayers or grow beard????

Maybe I haven't read Islam's history well enough ... so would someone enlighten me of the fact that our Beloved Hazoor (saw) who knew Islam the BEST ever tried to pursue peoples that way??? Or maybe one of the Khulfa-e-Rashidden might have done so .. right??? So any clues as to when?? I am sure who are sooo supportive of Talaban, might have an answer of me ...

**Surah Al- baqarah: 256/257

Let there be no compulsion in religion * Truth stands out clear from Error.*

Hum, I wonder if Talabans have read the above in Quran??? Do they not believe in the ayahat or something??? Or is it the part of Quran they haven't reached reading yet ... ???


Humanity First! Though I give you the right to disagree ...

[This message has been edited by ahmadjee (edited February 26, 2001).]