“I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)”
(11:55-56)
“…Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds” (6:162)
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*European Council for Fatwa and Research *
The issue of pictures is subject to an old difference of opinion amongst the scholars that is due to their differing interpretation of what has been narrated from the Prophet pbuh regarding this matter. There are those who have gone so far as to prohibit the making or acquiring of all forms of pictures and these are in the minority. There is also those who prohibited all picture making of man or animal without any exception. This is has also been a minority through out the centuries.
Most of the scholars, however, are against making and acquiring pictures for both humans and animals, with the exception being made for children’s toys and those which are not glorified such as those made in carpets, curtains and the like. This opinion is held by a number of the Prophet’s companions as well as many other scholars. Their reasons being that the Prophet pbuh confirmed Aishah to play with children’s dummies, when she was still young. He also used to pray while a partition was in front of him with a bird’s picture drawn on it, and all he asked was for it to be moved side ways as it was distracting him while in prayer, and he also used to rest on a cushion made by Aisha which had pictures on it.
Picture making, in ancient times, used to consist of what man made by hand such as statutes, drawings and carvings and as such there were two opinions held by two groups of scholars. The first group prohibited pictures in statute (or three dimensional) forms and allowed all others, while the second group prohibited all forms of picture making leaving the only exceptions being those described in the above paragraph, ie children’s toys and those made in carpets, curtains and the like.
When mechanised picture making became available, people where confused whether to make it part of the general picture making and which was prohibited according to the Prophet’s Traditions, or those who say that: this form of picture making is not of man’s own innovation, ie it is no more than man capturing by means of machine a picture of that which Allah has created, as the reasons behind the prohibition of making pictures is not to make similar to what Allah has created.
The strongest position which we advocate and which we see as closest to the intentions of Allah and His Prophet pbuh is that the making of three-dimensional representation is not allowed except where it is used as an educational tool or children’s toys. So far as other forms of drawn pictures we do not see any harm in them, particularly where they serve a useful purpose.
Automated static and motion pictures can be more clearly addressed, for in addition to the fact that they are not three dimensional, man also has no part in the picture creation it self. [Hence it is lawful].
The enquirer should know that there is a difference between the making and the acquiring of pictures. The rule governing picture making is already detailed above. So the rules regarding the acquiring of pictures is that such practice is basically lawful in all that is allowed to be made, except where it becomes glorified, like idols for worship, or used for corrupting purposes such as pornography.
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"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
Whosoever thinks photography is not allowed, should throw all the money out of his pocket for that'd be unislamic too. Dont forget the coins either. Tell them to bring all the wealth and money out of their houses and pile it in the trash can.
This ain't gonna stop me from buying my fav camera... Canon Powershot A40! (It takes very good pictures, this Mullah should try it sometime!!!)
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
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Originally posted by pakistan99:
**This ain't gonna stop me from buying my fav camera... Canon Powershot A40! (It takes very good pictures, this Mullah should try it sometime!!!)
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Did you even read the article or were you too blinded by rebellion to do that?
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I am the rebel … with the camera
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You can only paint with the colors you’re given…
…so get what you like and like what you have.
I found this line interesting. A lot of religious folks change their tune for many other things besides photography when it comes to their own benefit.
Even some of the scholars who had been once vehemently opposed to photography under the pretext that it was a form of forbidden Tasweer have later changed their position on it - as they allow even for their own pictures to be taken and published in newspapers, for videotaping lectures and for presentations
Mahiwal, give me a break ok? Photography has a practical use -- people dont take photographs to worship the images, the way statues were once worshipeed. Additionally, when it comes to paintings and other such imagery, the whole point of disallowing such a practice is that people would made illustrative representations of God, Prophets, and respected religious authorities, thereby turning human into God or God into human. This is a sin.
But photography doesn't make a human a God. Of course, photography LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, can be abused. We can abuse clothes too , you know , but that does not mean we can't wear them. Photography can be abused, for example, in pornography. But here, the real culprit isnt the photography, but the pornography. Likewise, when one makes a statue , its not the marble or clay that is evil, its the fact that the statue is being worshipped.
Like everything, one can use photography for practical and artistic reasons, without degrading it into shirk.
In life, God gave humans the intelligence to use tools. Whether we use them for Good or Evil, that is our choice. And then we get our punishment or reward sooner or later for it.
I'm still a little skeptical about the two fatawa. They do allow us to take pictures n all, but I've read some other fatawa where one of the main reasons for prohibiting it is a hadith stating that angels don't enter homes with dogs or pictures of human beings or animals.
inshAllah I'll see if I can get an answer from Sheikh A. Kutty on this issue.
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
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One of the stated principles of usul-u-Fiqh (Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence) is that if anything directly leads to haram, it is likewise haram. In other words, Tasweer was forbidden precisely for the reason that it was a means leading to shirk."
"The function of photography TODAY does not fall under the above category." **
Maybe I'm not getting this straight but is this Ijtihad?
The article is quite explanatory.
PyariCgudia; What exactly was your point? The fatawa says the exact same thing that Photography today isn't related to "shirk" hence it is allowed. Maybe you had a point apart from that and I missed it?
pakistan99; the fatawa does allow photography, what're you talking about?
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Originally posted by Mahiwal:
pakistan99; the fatawa does allow photography, what're you talking about?
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** Pakistan99: ** Didn't you learn any manners in your ** Imambara ** ? I understand your hatred for Islam, but don't you think it'd be more wise to express it in a less "blunt" way?
When My servants ask you concerning Me, ** I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calls on Me: ** Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (Holy Qur'an 2:186)
Leave the guy alone, can't you see he added a smily face at the end? Gosh. He was kidding. Dang.
HUH! Why don't you all stick to the topic... start another thread or PM each other for the personal attacks!
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)
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These beliefs that photography is haraam & others like it are beliefs of ignorants and extremists! Leave them be!
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Originally posted by X_Communist:
Leave the guy alone, can't you see he added a smily face at the end? Gosh. He was kidding. Dang.
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Thanks for the being so nicely protective.
Anyway, yes I did misunderstand this whole post, because usually topic starters in this forum would post something non-mainstream and hardlined. Good to see there are other types of people too.
As far as photography or any other modern trend that was not present during the old days is concerned, I believe them to be perfectly halal, and I don't need a Maulvi to tell me that, I can think on my own.
And I didn't at all mind the sectarian tone of Shaheed-Ka-Khoon, free speech has it's benefits. Now although I'm for a better and stronger Pakistan and free and peaceful Kashmir and Palestine and would jump indians who criticize Pakistan in this forum or non-muslims who post anti-Islamic propaganda, I'm not at all supportive of any kind of religious extremism which is untastefully associated with such struggles. Everyone should have a the right to say watever they feel like saying, as long as I have the rite to say wat I wanna say.
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
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And I didn't at all mind the sectarian tone of Shaheed-Ka-Khoon, free speech has it's benefits.
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After bashing the "Wahhabis" (btw, how do you DEFINE "Wahhabism"), you accuse me of Sectarianism??? How Shiite of you !
Mahiwal, my statements are exactly what I meant. I do not insinuate things. I say them str8. Ab agar aap ko samaj nahi aa rahi, tho mein kya karoon? Phir se parle - balke, hazaar baar parle, jab thak meri point aap ko samaj mein aa jaye.
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
You wrote to Pak99 when he said he is happy with his camera – “Did you even read the article or were you too blinded by rebellion to do that?”.
According to that statement, I wrote what I did in the post you questioned the point of.
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Originally posted by Sadiaa:
**but I've read some other fatawa where one of the main reasons for prohibiting it is a hadith stating that angels don't enter homes with dogs or pictures of human beings or animals.
inshAllah I'll see if I can get an answer from Sheikh A. Kutty on this issue.
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Sadiaa, a question if you dont mind (which relates to what someone said). I have had people quote that hadith about the angels not entering where there are dogs inside and images of living things. Infact I have read it myself. Considering we all have money in our homes(atleast most of us), and money has images of living creatures, meaning faces (because I read that bodies without the face does "not" fall under the category of a live image), does this mean according to the hadith that angels do not enter any of our homes? Also, considering we all have two angels that write down our deeds (as muslims believe), how does this affect the interpretation of the hadith? If you could ask your sheikh, I'd appreciate. Jazak'Allah khair.
Incase you are wondering, I am of those that people label as "sunni". i.e. Qur'an and hadith hold importance for me. smile
Learn to love yourself, then learn to love one-another
This is not my Paradise
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Originally posted by Munni:
** Considering we all have money in our homes(atleast most of us), and money has images of living creatures, **
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Keep the money in your wallets or purses.