I managed to get hold of Urdu version and also English version which is just summary last Friday, very interesting read.
To download English summary in PDF format click on the link below:
http://media.minhajuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fatwa-88pages_final2.pdf
Historical Launching of Fatwa Against Terrorism - Minhaj-ul-Quran International
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he has mentioned the word khwarij and i dont know where sits according to 5,51
i suppose this aspect of his fatwa is very takfiri
beyond suicides his message and reasoning is very political, pro WOT
if you think the tribal people are muslims then one must wonder if 5,51 has gone below dr Qadri's throat
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taken from his fatwa
Chapter 4: Forbiddance of Terrorism against the Non-Muslims even during War
i think dr qadri wants the muslims to fight army to army, without any unconventional/guerilla tactics against the most formidable of the worlds military weapons. indeed one could say the muslims would win due to devine intervention. fair enough from a religious sense, i guess, but but....so many questions arise
away from religion in normal political environment isnt the end of terrorism, in pakistan atleast, come from end of the military engagements in both pakistan and afghanistan? according to dr qadri, the offensives against the ''khawarij'' must continue till ellimination because since our military intervention in their areas we've now found out who the ''khawarij'' are! his islam both endorses and prohibits extreme violence
his fatwa is not here to make peace, its here to cause further chaos and injustices
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i have a problem by using this label khawarij .....the ahadith relating to them refer to a very SPECIFIC group who left army of ali and were killed by ali
to my knowledge no such prophetic condemnation of rebels to any other subsequent caliphs or kings exist
so its really not easy to say who is khawarij and who isnt ...some might argue even hussain b ali was a khariji but dr qadri or any reasonable person wont agree with that wud he ?
Before commenting, I would say read the book and then comeback and coomment, he explains who are khawrij
i have a problem by using this label khawarij .....the ahadith relating to them refer to a very SPECIFIC group who left army of ali and were killed by ali
to my knowledge no such prophetic condemnation of rebels to any other subsequent caliphs or kings exist
so its really not easy to say who is khawarij and who isnt ...some might argue even hussain b ali was a khariji but dr qadri or any reasonable person wont agree with that wud he ?
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part1
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Fatwas in the criminal situations are as useless as a pen in the dead man's hand.
When would these Daaaktars like qadri realize that Fatwas are meant only for the religious matters.
You want to have your shalwar 2 inches above ankles or 1 inch. Well go seek fatwa.
If on the other hand, terrorists are blowing up our schools, homes, and businesses, then it would be pathetic to wait for such a pathetic approach aka fatwa bazi.
As in criminal matters, the law of land already exists and it is good enough to punish terrorists regardless of what Khawarij means.
And the bottom line is - Kill the terrorists b@$tards. bomb them, annihilate them, because if you don't then the terrorist scum will annihilate you (period).
p.s. to heck with the fatwa bazi in criminal matters.
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^ What is your definition of Islam?
^ What is your definition of Islam?
Makki bhai,
Could you elaborate it a bit if you have a sincere question.
FYI! usually one liners are used for rhetoric purposes and not for gaining knowledge.
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I have asked a simle question what is your definition of Islam?
I have been tought Islam is complete code of life, in other words it's name of totallity, you can't separate criminal matters from Islam can you?
I have asked a simle question what is your definition of Islam?
Oh I see.
Well Islam as practiced NOW is a religion (like many other religions).
.... I have been tought Islam is complete code of life, in other words it's name of totallity, you can't separate criminal matters from Islam can you?
You are not alone. All of us were taught the same thing as part of the elementary school education.
However some of us grew up and went looking for truth that exists way beyond elementary school.
Yes the Mullah said it, and so did our parents, that Islam is "complete code".
But that's all figure of speech.
Complete code should tell us how to build roads, set up traffic system, and then design and manufacture cars.
But Aaah, you would say, complete code doesn't mean it would tell us how to build roads.
And so my friend you yourself will open doors for exceptions in the "complete code".
And those exceptions are norm in 21st century, though they may vary from society to society and country to country.
And thus "complete code" becomes more like a myth than reality.
Hope you get the point. Make sure to use some awareness on this topic that goes well beyond elementary school.
Thank you.
you wouldn’t win over a 7 year old child with that post.
anyways back on topic..
this fatwa will do nothing, insh’Allah it will educate some of the ignorant people out there. but the mujahideen will still continue on a good fight insh’Allah.
I am very well aware of the topic and listened to many scholars from various schools of thoughts unlike some who just google and learn from that.
Oh I see.
Well Islam as practiced NOW is a religion (like many other religions).
You are not alone. All of us were taught the same thing as part of the elementary school education.
However some of us grew up and went looking for truth that exists way beyond elementary school.
Yes the Mullah said it, and so did our parents, that Islam is "complete code".
But that's all figure of speech.
Complete code should tell us how to build roads, set up traffic system, and then design and manufacture cars.
But Aaah, you would say, complete code doesn't mean it would tell us how to build roads.
And so my friend you yourself will open doors for exceptions in the "complete code".
And those exceptions are norm in 21st century, though they may vary from society to society and country to country.
And thus "complete code" becomes more like a myth than reality.
Hope you get the point. Make sure to use some awareness on this topic that goes well beyond elementary school.
Thank you.
One thing is clear, that they way they use to brainwash people they won’t be able to do that any more.
Killing innocent people in Mosques, in Markets, shopping centres is that Jihad?
Islam does not allow that.
GOOD INTENTION CAN NEVER
CHANGE A VICE INTO VIRTUE
If a good intention gives rise to bloodshed and massacre, the question arises whether such tyranny and barbarism can be declared lawful on this basis. Some people think that although suicide explosions are atrociously evil, and that killing innocent people too is a monstrous crime, and spreading mischief and strife in the country is, again, a heinous act, while the destruction of educational, training, industrial, commercial and welfare centres and institutions is still a greater sin, the suicide bombers are doing this with good intention and pious motive. Therefore, they are justified. They are retaliating against foreign aggression against Muslims. They are carrying out a Jihad, and so, they cannot be given any blame.
In this brief discussion, we shall analyse this thought in the light of the Qur’an and Sunna. The Qur’an rejected as disbelief the idol-worship that was carried out with the intention of attaining the nearness of Allah. We find a detailed account of this matter in the Qur’an and Sunna. Some of the holy verses are produced here to facilitate comprehension of the issue.
The Qur’an says:
“(Say to the people:) ‘Listen, sincere obedience and worship is only Allāh’s due. And those (disbelievers) who have taken (idols as) helpers other than Allāh (say in false justification of their idol-worship:) ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allāh.’ Surely, Allāh will
judge between them concerning the matter in which they differ. Certainly Allāh does not give him guidance who is a liar, very ungrateful.”
(Al-Qur’an, 39-3)
When the idolaters of Makka were asked the reason for idol-worship, they said the idols would bring them into Allah’s proximity. The intention to attain Allah’s nearness is good, but idol-worship is blasphemy and disbelief. Idolatry, therefore, cannot be justified because of good intention.
Similarly, the terrorists’ claim of reformation too cannot be accepted because, through their actions, they demonstrate bloodshed and violence instead of constructive work and reformation. Allah Most High says:
“And among people there is also someone whose conversation seems to you pleasing in the life of the world and who calls Allāh to witness that which is in his heart, but in truth he is most quarrelsome. And when he turns away (from you), he runs about in the land to do (everything possible) to rouse mischief and destroy crops and life. And Allāh does not like mischief and violence. And when it is said to him (on account of this tyranny and violence): ‘Fear Allāh,’ his arrogance stimulates him for more sins. Hell is, therefore, sufficient for him. And that is indeed an evil abode.”
(Al-Qur’an, 204-206)
These verses too describe that many people will make conversation, appearing pleasant in the arena of superficial arguments. They will swear on their good intentions, and declare Allah witness to their noble objectives and pious aims. Despite their assertions and testimonial claims, however, Allah has declared them miscreants and evil-mongers to face the torment of Hell. So their swearing on their intentions has been refuted because they are committing sheer acts of violence, strife and terrorism. Their crimes, therefore, cannot be forgiven due to their ‘good’ intentions and noble designs declared on oath. This is the basic principle drawn from the Qur’an and Islamic Law.
These Qur’anic verses explain the same point:
“When it is said to them: ‘Do not spread disorder in the land,’ they say: ‘It is we who reform.’ Beware! (Truly) it is they who spread disorder, but they do not have any sense (of it) at all.”
(Al-Qur’an, 11-12)
Here again the mischievous and criminal mentality has been described, and that the offenders never regard their activity as disruption, violence and strife; rather, they may call it Jihad and deeds of reconstruction and reformation. They presume that the tyrannous activities they perpetrate are aimed at the greater good of society. Today’s tragedy is that terrorists, murderers, mischief-mongers and rioters try to prove their criminal, rebellious, tyrannous, brutal and blasphemous activities as a right and a justified reaction to foreign aggression under the garb of the defence of Islam and national interests.They should know that, as good intention can never prove an unlawful act justified, pious designs can never prove blasphemy as righteousness, and virtuous objectives can never prove an impure act wholesome; that the intention to perform Jihad, in the same way, can never prove violence and terrorism lawful and permissible. The intention to protect Islam, to erect a defence against foreign aggression and avenge the wrongs and excesses inflicted upon the Muslim Umma is one thing, but the brutal mass murder of innocent citizens, destruction of civil property, ruthless target killings and the destruction of mosques and markets and businesses is altogether a different debacle. The former can never prove the latter lawful. The one has nothing to do with the other; there is no relevance and congruity between the two. Terrorism, carnage and mass destruction can never be justified in the name of any intention of enforcing Islamic commands and its judicial system. Nor can these reprehensible activities be any exception to the rule, or be overlooked, or forgiven.
An in-depth study of the Qur’an and Hadith makes one resolutely establish that Islam declares the realisation of lawful objectives conditional upon lawful means only, the attainment of noble targets only through permissible ways and reaching sacred objectives by treading only the righteous paths. A sacred goal can never be achieved by following an evil and criminal path. Constructing a mosque, for example, is a pious act, but it cannot be proved lawful to do so by looting a bank. The objectives of mercy cannot be achieved through cruelty and oppression. The designs of an exalted and pious person cannot be materialised by adopting blasphemous methodology. In sum, good cannot be earned by evil means. Fair is fair and foul is foul. It is Satan who says, ‘fair is foul and foul is fair.’ This is the majesty and purity of the Deen (religion of Islam) that it has purified and reformed both the destination and its path. It has made both objective and method pure and upright.
The people who base their argument on the Hadith, ‘actions are judged according to intentions,’ in order to justify their brutal ways and cursed means, make false and heretic claims. They cannot set a wrong thing right. This Hadith signifies only those actions that are proven pious, permissible and lawful. Their acceptability has been based on trueness of intention. If the intention is pure, they will be accepted, or else they will be rejected. If the intention is not good, or the coveted intention does not exist, the actions will not be considered acts of worship, despite their apparent righteous value. They will be rejected or discredited. But the actions that are forbidden, unjust, unlawful and blasphemous cannot be made permissible or lawful or just and creditable by even extremely good intentions joined together. This is such a crucial Islamic principle and legal formula that not one of the Companions, pious predecessors, Imams, and authorities of Hadith and exegeses has departed from to date. Some scholars have also interpreted the Hadith, ‘actions are judged according to intentions,’ as pointing to the expression of deeds according to intentions, that the actions take shape according to the intentions. So a terrorist’s actions speak of his intentions. His killings and destructive activities refer to his foul intention and condemnable ideas and beliefs. His heinous actions cannot stem from pious intentions and beliefs. The bloodshed he causes refers only to a cruel man inside him and not any kind and merciful soul. It is, therefore, evident that whatever false implications and foul justifications these rebels, criminals, evil-mongers, tyrannous brutes may put forth to prove their atrocities as acts of Jihad, they have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam.
The Holy Qur’an has vividly described them in this verse:****“It is those whose entire struggle is wasted in worldly life, but they presume they are doing very good works.”
(Al-Qur’an, 18: 104)
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lengthy text but very interesting
thanks for sharing
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indeed islam does not permit the killing or harm of civiliians. and indeed inadvertently this fatwa also declares at least most modern islamic armies as following a doctrine of kufr
but i cant help thinking this scholars intention was just to ask some of these communities under attack to just die slow and discretely at that, whilst calling them non muslim at same time.
surely islam bases its justice system on something more then just blind support of world powers that be, and it recognises madrassas as mosques, it recognises 'their' mosques as equal mosques to ours. and it recognises 'them' as equal people to us. it recognises collateral damge done by state armies as acts of disbelief. it recognises unwarranted wars on mudhut people to be unislamic!!
for this reason i wish to be judged by Allah subhana wa ata'ala as someone who disagreed with the overall war(s)
I am very well aware of the topic and listened to many scholars from various schools of thoughts unlike some who just google and learn from that.
Well you are the one who asked the question.
Cut and paste from Google these days is child's play. Becoming aware based on the info out there, is mighty challenging.
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Any Tom Dick and Harry can come and say "Islam doesn't allow killing".
Will that stop the Islamists from killing and suicide bombing?
That's the question we should be discussing.
Thank you.
One thing is clear, that they way they use to brainwash people they won't be able to do that any more.
Killing innocent people in Mosques, in Markets, shopping centres is that Jihad?
Islam does not allow that.
GOOD INTENTION CAN NEVER CHANGE A VICE INTO VIRTUE If a good intention gives rise to bloodshed and massacre, the question arises whether such tyranny and barbarism can be declared lawful on this basis. Some people think that although suicide explosions are atrociously evil, and that killing innocent people too is a monstrous crime, and spreading mischief and strife in the country is, again, a heinous act, while the destruction of educational, training, industrial, commercial and welfare centres and institutions is still a greater sin, the suicide bombers are doing this with good intention and pious motive. Therefore, they are justified. They are retaliating against foreign aggression against Muslims. They are carrying out a Jihad, and so, they cannot be given any blame.
In this brief discussion, we shall analyse this thought in the light of the Qur’an and Sunna. The Qur’an rejected as disbelief the idol-worship that was carried out with the intention of attaining the nearness of Allah. We find a detailed account of this matter in the Qur’an and Sunna. Some of the holy verses are produced here to facilitate comprehension of the issue.
The Qur’an says: “(Say to the people:) ‘Listen, sincere obedience and worship is only Allāh’s due. And those (disbelievers) who have taken (idols as) helpers other than Allāh (say in false justification of their idol-worship:) ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allāh.’ Surely, Allāh will judge between them concerning the matter in which they differ. Certainly Allāh does not give him guidance who is a liar, very ungrateful.” (Al-Qur’an, 39-3)
When the idolaters of Makka were asked the reason for idol-worship, they said the idols would bring them into Allah’s proximity. The intention to attain Allah’s nearness is good, but idol-worship is blasphemy and disbelief. Idolatry, therefore, cannot be justified because of good intention. Similarly, the terrorists’ claim of reformation too cannot be accepted because, through their actions, they demonstrate bloodshed and violence instead of constructive work and reformation. Allah Most High says:
“And among people there is also someone whose conversation seems to you pleasing in the life of the world and who calls Allāh to witness that which is in his heart, but in truth he is most quarrelsome. And when he turns away (from you), he runs about in the land to do (everything possible) to rouse mischief and destroy crops and life. And Allāh does not like mischief and violence. And when it is said to him (on account of this tyranny and violence): ‘Fear Allāh,’ his arrogance stimulates him for more sins. Hell is, therefore, sufficient for him. And that is indeed an evil abode.” (Al-Qur’an, 204-206)
These verses too describe that many people will make conversation, appearing pleasant in the arena of superficial arguments. They will swear on their good intentions, and declare Allah witness to their noble objectives and pious aims. Despite their assertions and testimonial claims, however, Allah has declared them miscreants and evil-mongers to face the torment of Hell. So their swearing on their intentions has been refuted because they are committing sheer acts of violence, strife and terrorism. Their crimes, therefore, cannot be forgiven due to their ‘good’ intentions and noble designs declared on oath. This is the basic principle drawn from the Qur’an and Islamic Law.
These Qur’anic verses explain the same point: “When it is said to them: ‘Do not spread disorder in the land,’ they say: ‘It is we who reform.’ Beware! (Truly) it is they who spread disorder, but they do not have any sense (of it) at all.” (Al-Qur’an, 11-12)
Here again the mischievous and criminal mentality has been described, and that the offenders never regard their activity as disruption, violence and strife; rather, they may call it Jihad and deeds of reconstruction and reformation. They presume that the tyrannous activities they perpetrate are aimed at the greater good of society. Today’s tragedy is that terrorists, murderers, mischief-mongers and rioters try to prove their criminal, rebellious, tyrannous, brutal and blasphemous activities as a right and a justified reaction to foreign aggression under the garb of the defence of Islam and national interests.They should know that, as good intention can never prove an unlawful act justified, pious designs can never prove blasphemy as righteousness, and virtuous objectives can never prove an impure act wholesome; that the intention to perform Jihad, in the same way, can never prove violence and terrorism lawful and permissible. The intention to protect Islam, to erect a defence against foreign aggression and avenge the wrongs and excesses inflicted upon the Muslim Umma is one thing, but the brutal mass murder of innocent citizens, destruction of civil property, ruthless target killings and the destruction of mosques and markets and businesses is altogether a different debacle. The former can never prove the latter lawful. The one has nothing to do with the other; there is no relevance and congruity between the two. Terrorism, carnage and mass destruction can never be justified in the name of any intention of enforcing Islamic commands and its judicial system. Nor can these reprehensible activities be any exception to the rule, or be overlooked, or forgiven.
An in-depth study of the Qur’an and Hadith makes one resolutely establish that Islam declares the realisation of lawful objectives conditional upon lawful means only, the attainment of noble targets only through permissible ways and reaching sacred objectives by treading only the righteous paths. A sacred goal can never be achieved by following an evil and criminal path. Constructing a mosque, for example, is a pious act, but it cannot be proved lawful to do so by looting a bank. The objectives of mercy cannot be achieved through cruelty and oppression. The designs of an exalted and pious person cannot be materialised by adopting blasphemous methodology. In sum, good cannot be earned by evil means. Fair is fair and foul is foul. It is Satan who says, ‘fair is foul and foul is fair.’ This is the majesty and purity of the Deen (religion of Islam) that it has purified and reformed both the destination and its path. It has made both objective and method pure and upright.
The people who base their argument on the Hadith, ‘actions are judged according to intentions,’ in order to justify their brutal ways and cursed means, make false and heretic claims. They cannot set a wrong thing right. This Hadith signifies only those actions that are proven pious, permissible and lawful. Their acceptability has been based on trueness of intention. If the intention is pure, they will be accepted, or else they will be rejected. If the intention is not good, or the coveted intention does not exist, the actions will not be considered acts of worship, despite their apparent righteous value. They will be rejected or discredited. But the actions that are forbidden, unjust, unlawful and blasphemous cannot be made permissible or lawful or just and creditable by even extremely good intentions joined together. This is such a crucial Islamic principle and legal formula that not one of the Companions, pious predecessors, Imams, and authorities of Hadith and exegeses has departed from to date. Some scholars have also interpreted the Hadith, ‘actions are judged according to intentions,’ as pointing to the expression of deeds according to intentions, that the actions take shape according to the intentions. So a terrorist’s actions speak of his intentions. His killings and destructive activities refer to his foul intention and condemnable ideas and beliefs. His heinous actions cannot stem from pious intentions and beliefs. The bloodshed he causes refers only to a cruel man inside him and not any kind and merciful soul. It is, therefore, evident that whatever false implications and foul justifications these rebels, criminals, evil-mongers, tyrannous brutes may put forth to prove their atrocities as acts of Jihad, they have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam.
The Holy Qur’an has vividly described them in this verse:“It is those whose entire struggle is wasted in worldly life, but they presume they are doing very good works.” (Al-Qur’an, 18: 104)
these verses can be applied to both sides
please do not spread disorder by using these verses
judge these communities after youve given them peace
you should continue to spread the peaceful nature of islam but also regard these other people as equals in the current war zones that be. that requires calling for the end of hostilities, i think this is your islamic duty
its not good enough to write off afghans, palestinians and others as just mere wrongdoers
imo
Any Tom Dick and Harry can come and say "Islam doesn't allow killing".
Will that stop the Islamists from killing and suicide bombing?
That's the question we should be discussing.
Thank you.
heres the recipe - find a people who are muslims first and foremost, send in some troops, take their land, get support from neighbouring muslim countries if possible, use the UN to totally isolate these people from any diplomatic recovery = sit back and watch the 'islamists' become terrorists
change the above to stop making 'terrorists'