Fatwa Against Life1

Category
Character, Morals (Akhlaaq)

Title
There are many islamic internet discussion forums to be found on the internet many of which involve people who post and induldge in idle chit chat and joking …

Question
There are many islamic internet discussion forums to be found on the internet many of which involve people who post and induldge in idle chit chat and joking around between men and women. (for reference an example a forum would be www.sunniforum.com or www.muslimvillage.com/forums)

Are established principles in fiqh, such as refraining from giving/returning unnecessary salams or refraining induldging in unnecessary conversations still valid and relevant in this environment? Can you please advise preferably with evidences.

This would be greatly appreciated as many of us are confused over the boundaries of gender interaction in this specific online medium.

Answer
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

It is not permissible for males to chat unnecessarily and joke with females. As you have correctly stated in your query, there are established rulings in fiqh which prohibits males from even responding audibly to the greetings of females and vice versa. This clearly shows how much more necessary it would be for members of the opposite gender to abstain from chatting and joking with each other. In fact, we have been informed that some forums even allow private messaging between the members. Many members exploit this and end up flirting with members of the opposite gender.

We do acknowledge that in order to curb this, a few forums have set up a brothers and sisters section; however, the moderators should be more vigilant on the general threads and should not allow any unnecessary chit chats between men and women. The other members should also play their part. Remember, the devil is playing his part.

قال العلامة الحصكفي في الدر المختار - (6 / 369)

وفي الشرنبلالية معزيا للجوهرة ولا يكلم الأجنبية إلا عجوزا عطست أو سلمت فيشمتها لا يرد السلام عليها وإلا لا انتهى

وبه بان أن لفظة لا في نقل القهستاني ويكلمها بما لا يحتاج إليه زائدة فتنبه

و قال ابن عابدين في حاشيته- (6 / 369)

وإذا سلمت المرأة لأجنبية على رجل إن كانت عجوزا رد الرجل عليها السلام بلسانه بصوت تسمع وإن كانت شابة رد عليها في نفسه وكذا في الرجل إذا سلم على امرأة أجنبية فالجواب فيه على العكس اه وفي الذخيرة وإذا عطس فشمتته المرأة فإن عجوزا رد عليها وإلا رد في نفسه اه وكذا لو عطست هي كما في الخلاصة قوله ( في نقل القهستاني ) أي عن بيع المبسوط قوله ( زائدة ) يبعده قوله في القنية رامزا ويجوز الكلام المباح مع امرأة أجنبية اه وفي المجتبى رامزا وفي الحديث دليل على أنه لا بأس بأن يتكلم مع النساء بما لا يحتاج إليه وليس هذا من الخوض فيما لا يعنيه إنما ذلك في كلام فيه إثم اه

فالظاهر أنه قول آخر أو محمول على العجوز تأمل وتقدم في شروط الصلاة أن صوت المرأة عورة على الراجح ومر الكلام فيه فراجعه

و انظر أحسن الفتاوي - (8/40)

And Allah knows best

Wassalam u Alaikum

Ml. Ismail Moosa,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In’aamiyyah
Source: http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=5aa82320b871849c3e48c4f455a5e1aa

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Thanks for this. :k:

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One small doubt.... If I say Assalamo Alaikkum to a Gal/Lady and she responds saying W.S,is it counted as a prohibited one?

(Sorry no offence...but just wanted to clear it).........

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Us moderators would like to point out that we do not wnat to be responsible for anyone loosing their deen. So…if you dont like GS, you’re free to leave. :shikra:

if devil don’t play his part there wont be no children born :ast:

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No theres no insult in your question brother and the answer to your question is simple.

If you greet a Muslim with peace then he should give you the peace greeting as well in case of sisters they can choose not to reply.

Online i see no problem with it so long as everyone has the Bhen Bhai attitude of us Paindoos.

So what if your a Hindu Brother to me your as good as a Brother and you’ve proven that so i have no problem with it.

Islamically i dont think it’s either permissable or expressley forbidden so theres a sensible degree for making your own judgement.

If your greeting is with bad intent then it’s obviously wrong but i know you and you know me well so between us theres no problem you can speak with us as freely as you were speaking to your own.

:cobra:

Salaamz.

I chit chat with the opposite gender online and in real life too with absolutely no intention of flirting…

ab kar lo jo karna hai :shikra:

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^^Faris Bhai,that was a very touching answer.Thanks alot and Khuda Haffiz :slight_smile: :k:

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Khuda Hafiz Merey Bhai :hug:

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I hope ladies & women of Life1 will learn something from this and have “sharam”.

:k:

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firenze, you should have posted this Cafe...cuz i dont see chit chat or flirting here. people post their concerns, and other respond. so this fatwa should be posted there.

yeh lol

:k:

In maulvion ko kon log batatey hein ke internet ijad ho gaya hai?

I wish I could know their names :ASA:

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Firenze BHAIYA...safai nisf imaan hai...

Apna dimagh saaf karein...

:)