Under what conditions can a Muslim, who fills the basic requirement for being muslim, can’t have Surah fatihah being read after dead ?
Any significance in Islam about janaza on how many people attended?
Like many were there to v few were there, any affect on the dead soul?
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It is a right of a muslim that other muslims attend his funeral:
It is narrated by Abu Huraira (ra) that "I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The rights of a Muslim on the Muslims are to follow the funeral processions, to accept invitation and to reply the sneezer.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
So everyone should try to attend a funeral. Regarding the number of people who attend. There is hadith reported by Aisha (ra), and similary by Anas bin Malik (ra):
The Prophet Muhammad (saw) said, “There is no Muslim man who dies and forty men who do not associate anything with Allaah pray the funeral prayer for him, but Allaah will accept their intercession for him.” (Sahih Al-Muslim)
Another narration quotes 100 and yet another one quotes 3 rows. So some scholars have said that the exact number is not important, rather a group of muslims should attend because their prayers for the deceased help him to be forgiven.
About when you do not read a Janazah for a muslim, the answer in “never”. Except of course in the case of a Shaheed, who dies in a battle. Since you say that the person satisfies the basic requirements for being a muslim, then he does not fit the other categories which should not have Janazah offered for them by muslims (i.e. murtid and munafiq whose nifaaq is obvious and known).
I answered for a janazah offering because that is what I understand from fatihah. There is no hadith for reciting Surah Al-Fatihah (or any other part of Quran) on dead people.
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Ok thanks anyway
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Armughal.
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You mean for isaal sawab? If a person does fulfill the requirements for being Muslim, then there is no restriction on reciting Surah Fatiha or any other action or dua done in their favor.
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Peace @caption Obvious,
Reading Surah Fatiha will not benefit deceased in any way.
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Whether you believe in isaal sawab or not, this wouldn’t change its permissibility.
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K
Fatihah can be read on Thursday or Friday for the departed too
It’s usually wahabi school of thought who find recitation of fatihah or Quran for the dead to be bidah
Thanks anyway
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Peace,
I do believe in ‘Isaal-e-Sawab’ and its permissibly as described according to Sunnah.
Nobody here talking about any school of thought. If you think that Fatiha can be read on Thursday or Friday for the departed too, then plz provide us authentic source.
Usually, what happen when relatives or family friends visit members of the deceased, they do not know what dua (as per sunnah of the Prophet 
) to be read to batoon batoon mein keh dete hain chalo bhai ‘fatiha’ par lo. That is what actually happen.
And please keep in mind that ‘Wahab’ is a name of Almighty Allah. Some scholars prevent saying ‘wahabi’, so plz be careful.
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Please share what you know of this.
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Peace @Captain_Obvious,
The deceased will benefit of ‘Isaal-e-Sawab’ by following three categories:
1- **Knowledge: **Such knowledge which benefit others,
2- **Charity: **Given something or built something as charity, and
3- **Righteous children: **Who will pray for the deceased.
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Lethal bhai
It is a sunni practice to recite Fatiha and other surahs for esal e sawab.
Even Imam Shafi has been quoted as saying there is no harm in it. There is some references for Prophet SallAllaahu Alaihi wa alihi wa sallam doing it, the tafsirs certainly mention such practices as Sunnah from weak sources.
Hence overall it is not said to be authenticated Sunnah but as mustahab (recommended and allowed practice)
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There are whole lot of things one can do for Isaal e sawab of the departed soul.
One can plant trees, dig Wells, give charity, recite surahs from Quran, distribute booklets of quranic surah to read by people, educate orphans, financially support the destitute, do Hajj and umra for them. If I m not mistaken one can even offer the missing prayers and observe fast for them.
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^ true
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can you please share the Quranic verse or authentic hadith ?
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Evidence from the Qur’an
Allah (Almighty.) has ordered the Muslims (believers) that you pray for your parents as follows:
O’ My Lord [Allah (Almighty.], have mercy on my parents like they have bought me up through my childhood.
(Surah Isra, Verse 24)
Allah (Almighty.) has praised those Muslims who ask for forgiveness of the deceased. They ask for forgiveness in the following manner:
O’ Allah (Almighty.) forgive us and forgive our Muslim brothers and sisters who have passed away.
(Surah Hashir, Verse 10)
The above mentioned verses demonstrate that if anyone prays on behalf of another person, the latter will receive the [spiritual] benefits - Allah Willing. This also demonstrates that if it was the wrong action Allah would not have ordered us to pray for other people, nor would He have stated that those who ask for forgiveness for the deceased, receive praises from Allah.
Evidence from the Sunnah
Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim write that:
A man came to the Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] and said ‘My mother has suddenly died and she did not leave any will, but I suspect that if she did that then she would have told me to give something to charity. Now if I offer something in charity on her behalf, will she get the reward?’Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] said ‘Yes’. Then the man said that I make you, the Prophet, as my witness, that I offer my garden full of fruits to charity.
(Bukhari Muslim, Chapter Al-Wasiha)
This hadith, as can be clearly read, proves that to offer a charity on behalf of the deceased will result in the deceased obtainig a benefit.
Imam Bukhari writes that:
Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] has said, The status of the deceased is raised(during their time in the grave), and the deceased ask Allah (Almighty.) why has this happened, Allah (Almighty.) replies that your son has prayed for your forgiveness. (Al-Adab, Al-Mufid Chapter Excellency of the Parents by Imam Bukhari)
From this particular hadith, it can be understood that not only charity, but the offering of prayers (making duas) and the giving of alms, will also benefit the deceased.
After providing evidence from the primary and secondary sources, we shall now move onto the evidences provided by some of the scholars on this topic.
Hafidhh Ibn Taymiyyah writes:
From the authentic Hadith, there is evidence pointing out that the deceased person will gain rewards from all the good deeds carried out on his/her behalf by others. Some people raise the objection that a person can only gain reward from their own actions, and refer to the Qur’an [for evidence]. This is not correct. Firstly, because a Muslim recieves the reward of those deeds that he /she has never done themselves [for example]: like Allah says in the Qur’an that the Angels of the Throne of Allah, glorify Allah and ask for forgiveness on behalf of all the Muslims. It is also evident from the Qur’an: [that] Allah (The Almighty) ordered Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless Him and grant Him peace] to pray for his Ummah, since his du’a is the peace of mind for the Ummah. In the same way the d’ua is offered in the funeral prayer, also when visiting the grave and offering d’ua for the deceased.
Secondly, we know that Allah (Almighty.) rewards us through the deeds of other people, which are carried out on our behalf. An example is where the Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] said “Whenever a Muslim prays for other Muslims, Allah (Almighty.) appoints an Angel to say Amin”, i.e., the angel asks Allah (Almighty.) for the acceptance of the prayer. Sometimes Allah (Almighty.) blesses the participants of the funeral prayer in response to the prayer from the deceased and vice versa.
(Mujmua Al-Fatawa vol:7, page 500 & vol:24, page 367) Published by Hafidhh Ibn-e-Taymiyyah in Saudi Arabia
Hafidhh Ibn Qayyam writes:-
“If a Muslim recites Qur’an, performs Hajj, offers du’a, gives in charity on the behalf of the deceased, then the deceased gets the benefits of it. Some innovators say that the deceased do not get any such reward, which is wrong according to the authentic Hadith. The proof is in the Qur’an that Allah (Almighty.) has praised those who ask for forgiveness for their Muslim brothers. Authentic Hadith proves that Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] replied to a question saying that to offer alms on behalf of a deceased person earns benefit. Some individuals suspect that the earlier Muslims did not do Esal-e-Sawab. This is because of their own ignorance or lack of knowledge. The earlier Muslims did not do these to show off. The Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] himself gave permission to offer Alms, so it is right to say that Esal-e-Sawab is right. The ayah in the Qur’an which states that only the own deeds are rewarded, means that he is righteous to get rewarded, which means that he is righteous to receive reward, but a present from someone else is also rewarded to the deceased by Allah (Almighty.).
(Kitab-ur-Rooh; by Hafidhh Ibn-ul-Qayyam Chapter 16)
Qadi Shawkani writes:
According to the Sunni faith, a deceased receives rewards from others praying, performing Hajj, offering Alms, but the “Mutazala” refuse to accept this. if it is wrong to offer these to the deceased, then Islam would not have allowed us to say “Salaam” (peace be to you) to the deceased when visiting or entering the graveyards. (Nal-Al-Autar, chapter: Janaiz by Qadi Shawkani).
Got it from this sunni site Alahazrat.net - Islam - Namaz - Quran - Hamd o Naat - Speeches - Books - Article
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Surat Isra have no clue of dua for late parents..
and Surah Hashar translation dont have (and sisters) words…
by the way I’ve been searching for it because I too want it to be true that our parents get Quran Khwani’s sawab.. but there isnt any verse or authentic hadith that proves it…
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How about these?
Supplicating (du‘a) and seeking forgiveness (istighfar): For the Qur’an tells the living believers to pray for their deceased brethren; as in the verse: And those who come after them pray: ‘Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who came before us in faith.’ [59:10]
Charity (sadaqah): The lady ‘A’ishah relates that S‘ad b. ‘Ubadah said: O Messenger of God! My mother died unexpectedly without leaving a will. If I was to give charity on her behalf, will she reap the rewards? He replied: ‘Yes!’ [Bukhari, no.1388; Muslim, no.1004]
Pilgrimage (hajj): The Prophet, peace be upon him, was asked: My mother vowed to undertake pilgrimage, but she passed away before having the chance to do so. Shall I not perform pilgrimage on her behalf? He responded: ‘Yes. If she had a debt, wouldn’t it have to be settled?’ Yes, the man replied. The Prophet said: ‘The debt owed to God is more deserving of being settled.’ [Al-Bukhari, no.6699]
Fasting (siyam): The Prophet, peace be upon him, stated: ‘Whoever dies and a fast is due upon him, a reliable family member of his must make it up in his stead.’ [Muslim, no.1147]
Freeing Slaves (‘itq): ‘Abd Allah b. ‘Amr once asked the Prophet, peace be upon him, if his deceased father would benefit from the freeing of slaves on his behalf. This was the reply: ‘Had your father been a Muslim and you emancipated slaves on his behalf, gave some charity on his behalf, or performed pilgrimage on his behalf, it would have reached him.’ [Abu Dawud, no.2883]
From here : Redirect Notice
I have heard personally from many speakers about what Restless has said anyway but can’t recall / find the source
Can try asking your local masjid walay maybe
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Yes yes this is perfect, we can do **DUA **for our parents and for all the muslims who have passed away…
So you mean to say if a person is billionaire or his/her child became one, then he/she’ll get heaven and ajar-o-sawab because of it ?? It’s un-equal and unfair, so we cant do it…
Yes you can only do/perform Hajj-e-Badal only on 2 conditions, deceased was sick and couldnt do it and second that he/she was willing to perform hajj but died..
There is no authentic hadith on it… please check it out if I am wrong… I must quote here a Quranic verse’s tafseer…
“Aap kahein keh kya me ALLAH jo Rab-e-Qayenaat hai ke siwa koi aur Rab talash karun ? halakeh ye na-mumkin hai kyunke Parwardigaar-e-Qayenaat to wohi aik Rab hai.. Koi kisi ka boajh nahi uthayega, aakhir aik din tum sab ko muhasba-e-aimaal ke liye Rab ki taraf palatna hai.. Us waqt tumhare sab ikhtlafaat khol ker rakh diyey jaengay jin me tum jhagar rahe ho”
Reference: Surat-ul-Inam, verse # 164.. (Tafseer)
Also, my question is, why a person dont keep fast while He/She is alive? if sick or have any kinda problem then why dont pay fidiya to the needy of exact amount the food he/she would eat.. (multiplied by fasts left)…
My answer is same, if a deceased person was willing to free a slave but died, then only he can get sawab (not aisaal-e-sawab) of freeing that slave by relative etc..
I asked them all, got a proof of authentic Hadith.. also Dr. Zakir Naik approved it as well as Dr. Israr Ahmed, Mufti Menk and many more…
Hadith: The only thing that will continue among his/her deeds is the recurring charity he/she has made (like hopital, mosque, water resource etc), and the knowledge he/she spread/taught others and his/her son praying for them…
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There is a fundamental difference of opinion involved here in how we interpret the religion and its permissible acts.
The permissibility of esal e sawab/benefitting the deceased for those who practice it comes mainly from our understanding of the religion as well as some proofs from the sunnah and tafsir. Where as those who do not practice it and do not accept it gain all acts as narrated in individual hadith. This is why a sahih hadith is important to them.
In order to appreciate the other sides view a very understanding approach must be taken with a genuine desire to learn comparative interpretations of Islam