Fasting on Ashura

Some traditions are found in Sunni books to the effect that the Prophet (s.a.w.) on migrating to Medina found the Jews fasting on the 10th of Muharram. He asked them why, and was told: “It is an auspicious day; it is the day when God delivered the children of Israel from their enemy (i.e. Pharaoh); and, therefore, Moses fasted on that day.” The Prophet (s.a.w.) said, “I am worthier of Moses than you are.” Thereupon, he fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast.

  1. al-Sahih of al-Bukhari, Vol.3; Egypt ed.; p.54

  2. Mishkatul-Masabih; Delhi ed.; 1307 A.H.; p.l72


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And on the same day, Imam Hussain Alaysalam ascended martyrdom.

More proof that Allah had chosen the Imam for a special purpose.

To bring to completion the process that had
started with Abraham.

There was a very nice couplet by Allama Iqbal about this...anyone remember it?

Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (RA) narrates that when Nabi (SAW) came to Madinah and found the Jews fasting on the day of Aashura, he inquired, ‘What is the significance of this day on which you fast?’ They replied, ‘This is the day Allah saved Nabi Moosa (AS) and his followers and drowned Fir’oun and his army, thus Moosa (AS) fasted on this day as a token of thanksgiving. Therefore we too fast on this day.’ (Sahih Muslim, Vol 1).
Rasulullah (SAW) said, ‘We are more worthy of Moosa (AS) and nearer to him that you.’ Thereafter, he fasted on this day and ordered the Sahaabah to fast on this day. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 1)

Rasulullah (SAW) is reported to have said, ‘Observe the fast of Aashura and oppose (the way of) the Jews. Fast a day before it (also) or a day after it.’ (Baihaqi, Vol 4)

**Hence, one should fast for two days: Either the 9th and 10th or the 10th and 11th. To fast only on the 10th of Muharram is MAKROOH (reprehensible) and bears semblance to the Jews. **
http://www.jamiat.org.za/maashura.html

And on the same day, Imam Hussain Alaysalam ascended martyrdom.

More proof that Allah had chosen the Imam for a special purpose.

To bring to completion the process that had
started with Abraham.

There was a very nice couplet by Allama Iqbal about this...anyone remember it?

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Originally posted by Sadiaa:
...one should fast... Either the 9th and 10th or the 10th and 11th. To fast only on the 10th of Muharram is MAKROOH (reprehensible) and bears semblance to the Jews.
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In that case I'm definitely going to fast only on Ashura. My fasting has nothing to do with Judaism!!!

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Originally posted by ShbazKlundar:
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In that case I'm definitely going to fast only on Ashura. My fasting has nothing to do with Judaism!!!**
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wait, by your logic it would mean that the prophet was wrong in advising two days for us to fast?

Oh no!!! I never thought of that.

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Shbaz (feeling the flames of hell fire licking the soles of his feet) Klundar

I have seen people making sharbat and haleem and distributing it free on this day. I don't understand if prophet (pbuh) has asked us to fast then why we do things to negate the sayings of prophet (pbuh).

I know whatcha mean khan.

If the prophet asked us to be honest, why do we cheat on our utility bills?

If the prophet asked us to be truthful, why do we lie on our income tax returns?

So many Muslims are born, so few die!

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Shbaz (Hellhound On My Trail) Klundar

Salam...thanks too all those who replied and to those who read my post...but my post was incomplete...i didn't post the second part of the message which will prove y most of the sunni hadith are false...read on...

Some traditions are found in Sunni books to the effect that the Prophet (s.a.w.) on migrating to Medina found the Jews fasting on the 10th of Muharram. He asked them why, and was told: "It is an auspicious day; it is the day when God delivered the children of Israel from their enemy (i.e. Pharaoh); and, therefore, Moses fasted on that day." The Prophet (s.a.w.) said, "I am worthier of Moses than you are." Thereupon, he fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast.

  1. al-Sahih of al-Bukhari, Vol.3; Egypt ed.; p.54

  2. Mishkatul-Masabih; Delhi ed.; 1307 A.H.; p.l72

It is noted by the commentator of Mishkatul-Masabih that "it was in the second year, because in the first year the Prophet had arrived at Medina after 'Ashura, in Rabi'ul-awwal."

How much importance was this fast supposed to have may be judged from another tradition narrated in al-Sahih of. al-Bukhari: "The Prophet (s.a.w.) ordered a man from the (tribe of) Aslam: Announce to the people that whoever has eaten should fast the rest of the day, and whoever has not eaten should fast (the whole day), because today is the 'Ashura (10th day of Muharram)."

That very year the fast of Ramadan was ordained and the obligation to fast on 'Ashura was abrogated, as has been claimed in other traditions narrated in the same book. Still, reportedly, it carries much importance as a voluntary fast.

Now let us look closely at these traditions:

First: The Jews had their own calendar and months. There is no logic in saying that they fasted on the 10th of Muharram - unless it could be proved that this date always coincided with a Jewish day of fast.

It was mentioned in my article, "Martyrdom of Imam Husayn and the Muslim and the Jewish Calendars" (Alserat, Vol.VI, No's 3 & 4; Muharram 1401 Nov.1980) that the first month of the Jews (Abib, later named Nisan) coincided with Rajab of the Arabs. W.O.E.Oesterley and Theodore H.Robinson have written that in Arabia "the most important of all the new-moon festivals was that which fell in the month of Ragab (sic), equivalent to the Hebrew month 'Abib, for this was the time when the ancient Arabs celebrated the Spring festival." (Hebrew Religion; S.P.C.K., London; 1955; p.128)

Probably, in ancient times the two branches of Abraham's house followed the same system of intercalating an additional month 7 times in a cycle of 19 years. And in this way the 7th Jewish month, Tishri I, coincided with Muharram. And the 'Ashura of Muharram synchronized with 10th of Tishri I, the Jewish Day of Atonement - a day of fast. In that article, it was observed that the two calendars lost their synchronization when Islam, in the 9th year of hijra, disallowed intercalation. But on deeper consideration it transpired that that parity was lost long before the advent of Islam, because the Arabs did not follow any mathematical calculation in their intercalation. That was why the Muharram of the 2nd year of Hijra began on 5th July, 623 C.E. (Al-Munjid, 21st ed.), months before Tishri I (which always coincides with September-October).

Clearly, 'Ashura of Muharram in that year (or, for that matter, during the Prophet's whole life at Medina) had no significance whatsoever for the Jews.

The question is: Why did they fast on that day?

Second: The Jewish Midrashic literature relates the 10th day of the 7th month (Yom Hakippurim - Day of Atonement) to the event of bringing the tablets of the Covenant from Mount Sinai, as Dr. Mishael Maswari-Caspi has written in his letter, quoted in my previous article, mentioned above.

The question is: If the Jews had wanted to keep the long-lost synchronization of Tishri I and Muharram in view, how was it that they forgot to narrate this tradition to the Prophet?

Third: The month in which God delivered the Israelites from Pharaoh was Abib (i.e. Rajab), as the Bible clearly says: "Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night." (Deut., 16:1)

The question is: How could the Jews transfer an event of Abib (originally coinciding with Rajab) to Muharram, in open defiance of their Torah?

And lastly here is a point to ponder for the Muslims: The Prophet (s.a.w.) was sent with a religion to abrogate all previous religions and shari'ah. How was it that he deigned to imitate the custom of the Jews?

It is clear from above-mentioned facts that the Jews had no reason at all to fast on 'Ashura of Muharram at that period; and this story, built on that premise, is just that - a fiction. Obviously, it was invented by a narrator who only knew that once upon a time Muharram coincided with the Jews' Tishri I; but was totally unaware of contemporary Jewish religion and culture.

One feels constrained to mention here that this and other such traditions were forged by camp-followers of the Umayyads, after the martyrdom of Imam Husayn, as a part of their campaign to turn the 10th of Muharram into a day of rejoicing. These traditions are of the same genre as those which say that it was on the 10th of Muharram that Noah's ark rested on Mount Arafat, the fire became cool and safe for Abraham, and Jesus ascended to the heaven. In the same category came the traditions exhorting the Muslims to treat 'Ashura as a festival of joy, and to store one's food-grain on this very day as it would increase one's sustenance and bring the blessings of Allah to the household.

[This message has been edited by Ahl_e_Sunnah (edited April 02, 2001).]

Assalamualaikum

Well, first of all i would like to appreciate the way you explained your point of view. It was certainly very fatcual and to the point. This is where i disagree with you.You say that it was some forgerer who forged this hadith and had little knowledge of the Jews of that time. Well the thing is that it is difficult to see that you have more knowledge than that forgerer who lived in that era when the Jews were pratcicing their traditions and so the muslims living with them knew about their practices and customs. if what you are saying is true then there should have been many sahabas who would have known what you here are explaining and they would have voiced their opinion against this forgerer. Secondly you say that the Prophet(SAW) came to abrogate all previous religions. This is not true. He came to testify to the same religion of Musa and Jesus which people had changed by then. You are correct in saying that he told the people not to imitate the Jews and Christians and this why he told them to fast not only on the day of ashura but a day before or after it as as to show the difference. When you post something from somewhere please post the whole thing and not parts which could create confusion in the minds of your reader.i hope you would understand that sources such as Bukhari and Muslim have been thoroughly scanned for any forged traditions and this is why they are known as Sahih.salaam.

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Originally posted by Ahl_e_Sunnah:
**Some traditions are found in Sunni books to the effect that the Prophet (s.a.w.) on migrating to Medina found the Jews fasting on the 10th of Muharram. He asked them why, and was told: "It is an auspicious day; it is the day when God delivered the children of Israel from their enemy (i.e. Pharaoh); and, therefore, Moses fasted on that day." The Prophet (s.a.w.) said, "I am worthier of Moses than you are." Thereupon, he fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast.

  1. al-Sahih of al-Bukhari, Vol.3; Egypt ed.; p.54

  2. Mishkatul-Masabih; Delhi ed.; 1307 A.H.; p.l72

**
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Jazak Allah Khair for sharing. In addition to this we should also know the following:

Rasulullah (peace be upon him) is reported to have said, 'Observe the fast of Aashura and oppose (the way of) the Jews. Fast a day before it (also) or a day after it.' (Baihaqi, Vol 4)

Hence, one should fast for two days: Either the 9th and 10th or the 10th and 11th.

The reason i posted my post as i did was to see how many people actually believe in that, i for one did believe in that hadith but now i don't. I did not come up with this conclusion, i found this in al-islam.org go to search site, and type in the search word muharram and scroll down to search query number 9. The author of this is Sayyid Saeed Akhtar Rizvi and is from his book Vol VIII No. 3 & 4...
I posted this because it was something i did not know, and by the looks of it, neither did a lot of other people...anywayz take care

latez


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