Farman-e-Gohar Shahi

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Ive read through that whole dissertation and attempted to send my reply myself (however, funnily enough, they wouldn’t let it go through). I have a LOT of problems with this dissertation. Mr Yogi Sikand claims that Younus AlGohar is a hypnotist. Does that even make sense?! Then he claims that MFI allows free sex, or something like that. COMPLETE NONSENSE.** If you want your IQ to go down a few hundred points, then i suggest you read **it:).

Personally, I couldnt find this link :). But I am part of MFI, and this link is a complete nonsense as well. 3 - nothing of the sort, rather INSTEAD that all Prophets and Messengers are worthy of respect :). 4-ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. I am a woman, and according to the teachings of MFI, HAYA IS PART OF FAITH! 5- because the Pakistani government were persecuting against them for their faith in Imam Mehdi! 6-when?! Please please please, confirm your sources and MAKE SURE YOURE NOT SPREADING LIES, because by doing this you are creating fitna and troubling Imam Mehdi. If you make people budghuman about Imam Mehdi due to some lies you have spread, you are depriving them of receiving the blessings of Imam Mehdi. Today, the salvation of humanity lies under the feet of Imam Mehdi, and it is a terrible crime to deprive someone of getting this salvation, because those who find themselves opposing Imam Mehdi and Jesus Christ will find themselves on the side of the Dajjal and will become mardood like Iblis and hellbound as Billiam Baour.

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On that site, on the jesus section they refer to Hazrat Isa as Lord Jesus and there is a quote from the bible saying, "Jesus Christ is lord and lord cannot die." the first picture says, "Why would Jesus follow a religion is Jesus was Lord?"

Care to explain?

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^ Sure.

Nobody can say, if Prophet Mohammad didnt read salat every day or follow Islam, he wouldnt have been a Prophet! Nobody can say this. Why? The Prophet (PBUH) said, I was a Prophet even before I came into this world...meaning this rank had ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO HIM by Allah. So Jesus Christ too was granted SOME RANK by God too, He too can not be confined to a religion. Does that make sense? Like Christians say, Jesus is OUR Lord only, whereas He is here for a second time for all those who believe in Him regardless of if they are Christian or not.

Now according to Christians, Jesus Christ is Lord. Its a wrong conception to believe that Jesus Christ could have died, as many of them believe. Why? If they believe Him to be Lord, then HOW can He die? By saying Jesus was killed and crucified for sins of humanity is a wrong concept if one believes Him to be Lord, and in my opinion it is degrading. Jesus Christ ESTABLISHED a religion, as per instructions from God, for people of His nation.

Anyway, You would do well to read the WHOLE thing, because it gives good points even according to Islamic history and teachings. Try to understand it instead of looking for wording to criticize. If you cannot understand the message or teachings, it simply means the message is not for you.

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You misunderstood my post - The whole section leaves an impression saying Jesus is God.

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I was born first than my brother I have dominated him :D thats why you are saying Omara about Jesus (Hazrat Isa) and Hazrat Muhmmad (PBUH) ?

very funny though

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With all due respect miss Omara.. but please explain if His mission is to promote love of Allah in people's heart regardless of whichever religion they follow, may i then ask which religion you follow and why?

Love of Allah would mean you fulfilling what His commands are. Its all good that you love Allah, but to 'receive' love from Allah would mean you fulfilling His commands. Now, if people belonging to other religions.. how can they fulfill the commandments of Allah ?

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Jaafir - I read through the whole post, and I this is the impression I got. :)

aaho- I dont really get what you mean...

Mr. Popat : I am a follower of Imam Mehdi, simple. Well you see, when they have love of Allah in their hearts, and their Qalb starts to produce noor of Allah, then they will begin to differentiate between right and wrong. Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi states, they begin to hate sinning, and they begin to refrain from sinning on their own. The talim of Imam Mehdi cleanses a person from WITHIN. Religions focus on outward cleanliness, however the talim of Imam Mehdi deals with the inner souls.

Allah says, remember me (do my zikr) even whilst you toss and turn in bed. This is a commandment of Allah that the average person can NOT fulfill, because how can we remember Allah while we sleep? Tossing and turning in bed happens when we sleep. Allah wants us to always remember Him, however, if we were to practically do this, we could never work or look after our wives and children!

Then the question is, how then do we fulfill this simple command of Allah? Then Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi said: YOU have a wife and kids, YOU have to work. But you dont know that INSIDE you is also a human being (here Imam Mehdi is referring to the Lataif), and when that human being is awakened in ALLAHs remembrance, it ALWAYS does Zikr-e-Allah (because this is what it is for!). This human being inside you DOES NOT have kids or a wife or work to go to. So YOU can go to work, and YOU can sleep, but that Insaan inside you NEVER sleeps, it is always remembering Allah.

These are the sort of teachings that make sure all humanity can fulfill ALLAHS commandments and unite them too under the love of Allah.

I hope that made sense :).

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Would you take me as Mahdi if I show you my picture on moon?

(I am sure I can do some cut and paste and edition)

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To be honest lets not get down to root of such allegations…lets stay onmain topic of believes. I am sure we can copy paste loads of material on such allegations on almost every religion faith and sect.

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Although your reply is to Mr Popat...I would like to know where exactly Quran and Sunnah stands in your believes?..

Islam is a universal religion and Imam Mahdi is also for everyone. I agree to this point.

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Dear D toxed

The issue I feel that is under discussion relates principaly to Leadership of not just the Muslims but of Humanity as a whole. The Prophet Mohammed was a Prophet 'for the whole of Humanity'. Do you think he 'meant' for riaz ahmed goharshahi to take the lead in this area. Where in turn would be the evidences relating to The Sunnah with regard to this? Please take into consideration, the following:

Narrated Jabir ibn Samura: I heard the Prophet (s) saying:
"There will be Twelve Commanders." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, the Prophet added, "All of them will be from Quraysh."

[Sahih al-Bukhari (English), Hadith: 9.329, Kitabul Ahkam;
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Sahih al-Bukhari, (Arabic), 4:165, Kitabul Ahkam]

The Prophet (s) said:

"The Religion (Islam) will continue until the Hour (Day of Resurrection), having Twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraysh."

[Sahih Muslim, (English), Chapter DCCLIV, v3, p1010, Tradition #4483; Sahih Muslim (Arabic), Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Saudi Arabian Edition, v3, p1453, Tradition #10]

The Sunni Scholar ibn Al Jawzi says:



The first Caliph of Bani Umayya was Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah and the last, Marwan Al-Himar. **Their total is thirteen**. **'Uthman, Mu'awiyah and ibn Zubayr are not included as they were among the Companions of the Holy Prophet (s).**

If we exclude Marwan bin al-Hakam because of the controversy about his being a Companion or that he was in power even though Abdullah ibn Zubayr had the support of the people. Then we can get the figure of Twelve. … When the Caliphate came out of the Bani Umayya, a great disturbance arose. Until the Bani Abbas established themselves. Hence, the original conditions had changed completely.
[Ibn al-Jawzi, Kashf al-Mushkil, as quoted in Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Fath al-Bari 16:340 from Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi]

Jalal ud Din Suyuti says the following

**There are only twelve Caliphs until the Day of Judgement.** And they will continue to act on truth, even if they are not continuous.

We see that from the twelve, four are the Righteous Caliphs, then Hasan, then Mu'awiyah, then Ibn Zubayr, and finally 'Umar bin 'Abd al-'Aziz. They are eight. Four of them remain. Maybe Mahdi, the Abbasid could be included as he is an Abbasid like 'Umar bin 'Abd al-'Aziz was an Umayyad. And Tahir 'Abbasi will also be included because he was a just ruler. Thus two more are yet to come. One of them is Mahdi, because he is from the Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).

[Al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa, Page 12;
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Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa Page 19]
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Confused?**

We need another Sunni scholar to finally clarify who these Twelve Successors, Caliphs, Amirs and Imams really are:

The famous scholar al-Dhahabi says in Tadhkirat al-Huffaz, vol. 4, p. 298, and Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani says in al-Durar al-Kaminah, vol. 1, p. 67 that Sadruddin Ibrahim bin Muhammad bin al-Hamawayh al-Juwayni al-Shafi'i was a great scholar of Hadith. The same Al-Juwayni reports from Abdullah ibn Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s) who said, "I am the chief of the Prophets and Ali ibn Abi Talib is the chief of successors, and after me my successors shall be twelve, the first of them being Ali ibn Abi Talib and the last of them being Al Mahdi."

Al-Juwayni also narrates from Ibn 'Abbas (r) from the Prophet (s): "Certainly my Caliphs and my legatees and the Proofs of Allah upon his creatures after me are twelve. The first of them is my brother and the last of them is my (grand) son." He was asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is your brother?" He said, "Ali ibn Abi Talib" Then they asked, "And who is your son?" The Holy Prophet (s) replied, "Al Mahdi, the one who will fill the earth with justice and equity like it would be brimming with injustice and tyranny. And by the One Who has raised me as a warner and a give of good tidings, even if a day remains for the life of this world, the Almighty Allah will prolong this day to an extent till he sends my son Mahdi, then he will make Ruhullah 'Isa ibn Maryam (a) to descend and pray behind him (Mahdi). And the earth will be illuminated by his radiance. And his power will reach to the east and the west."

Al-Juwayni also narrates that the Messenger of Allah (s) informed: "I and Ali and Hasan and Husayn and nine of the descendants of Husayn are the purified ones and the inerrant."

[Al-Juwayni, Fara'id al-Simtayn, Mu'assassat al-Mahmudi li-Taba'ah, Beirut 1978, p. 160.]

Dear D toxed. You will note that ibn al Jawzi's opinion on the matter initially includes the infamous YAZID, whom history holds responsible for the slaughter of Imam Al Hussain (as). What is your feeling with regard to this?

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Dear Omara.

The narrative which has been attributed by a TRUE IMAM about the God given status of THE TWELVE IMAMS goes against the man you call to be a saviour in every respect.

For if there were only one of those points missing within the character of riaz ahmed then we shall say he does not ‘encapsulate’ that which THE TRUE IMAM, (in this case THE EIGHTH) informed us of over a thousand years before.

To assume at first glance, that the preserved narrative is relative to riaz ahmed just because it mentions the sun and moon, once again belittles the purpose of Allah’s creation to a join the dots guessing game, when the real ‘link’ as it were, is that we should be ‘researching’ the ‘lineal/ancestral/pure blood - connection’ to the IMAM of the time and PREVIOUS IMAMS.

However, this is something I believe you would deny even the children of your own ‘final saviour’, and his father also – if they failed to believe in that which ‘the MFI’ believe.

So where is the point that I should hope you would realize the link between The Last Prophet and ‘his’ family? It is as if you haven’t even registered it. DO the MFI ‘believe’ in the family unit? Is it only their ‘own’ families that are important to them? Do they wish for their own children to inherit what ‘they’ believe, whilst the grandchildren of Mohammed inherit nothing, not even IMAMAT?

I am sorry, but this is the same attitude the armies of Yazid had against the family of Hussain in Karbala; although the Sahabah amongst them recognized clearly the resemblance between Ali Akbar (Imam Hussain’s eldest boy) and The Prophet Mohammed, they still killed him.

In metaphor, I say that you are doing the same, and when THE REAL MEHDI comes to grace us with his appearance, from THE TRUE BLOODLINE of Mohammed’s family, your people will be amongst his staunchest enemies. I feel your organisation therefore, sets the example as to what transpires when one takes other than the purified bloodline of The Prophet Mohammed, to be Caliph and Imam. We end up with Mu’awiah. We end up with Yazid. In your case, we end up with APOSTACY, the belief of THE KUFFAAR.

Brothers and sisters in Islam. Please take note. This is what happens when you let go of ‘THE ROPE OF ALLAH, that is THE PROPHET MOHAMMED’S FAMILY, for which The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) said..

“Verily, I leave behind two precious things (thaqalayn) amongst you: the Book of Allah and my Ahl al Bayt. Verily, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the side of the Pond.”

  • Sahih Al Muslim, (English translation), book number 31, page numbers 5920-3

The MFI have left The Quran behind, because they have denied it’s relationship to Mohammed’s family, and given us in it’s place the ghost of riaz ahmed and a proposed ‘descent of Jesus from heaven’ to back up the claim. Despite all of that we are still ‘waiting’.

Waiting, upon the flimsiest of arguments that might be considered within the following verses :

He thought he saw the face
of Goharshahi on the moon
amongst the curves and fixtures
of the rock. He spoke to soon

For in the toilet when he looked
by wherefore he did sit
The face of Goharshahi
could be seen within his ****.

‘Is this my religion then?’
He thought within the bog.
‘The face of Goharshahi
is inscribed within my log?

The strength of my belief
Is based upon the idols that
God created by His will
By way of which I shat?’

I called beyond the toilet door
And said ‘you speak too soon’
The face they say belongs to
Goharshahi on the moon

Is a trick to make you think
That Ja’afar al Saadiq
Speaks without the use of metaphor
And that the fiqh

That his followers do tread
right up until this time
should now accept The Mehdi
to be this piggish swine

(For if upon the skin
of speckled boar-not small but big
they saw his face then they could say
his face was seen on pig).

When the title ‘Wajhullah’
Was given to Ali (as)
It meant he saw ‘the face of God’
But metaphorically

For to say HE really has
A face cannot be right
(or that the hand of God
Is really like the hand in sight)

The face upon the moon they say
The sixth Imam for warned
Implies the subjects of the world
Would ‘clearly’ be informed

That THE TWELFTH IMAM would rise
‘for all the world to see’
With Jesus by his side.
The case of utter clarity

Of his rule, within his reign
Would ‘clearly’ then expound
The MEEK INHERITING THE EARTH
And JUSTICE would be found.

WARNING

Learn about The Qur'an, to learn about Mohammed (saw), to learn about his family, to learn about Allah, to learn about spirituality.

The Last Prophet (saw) said: I am leaving behind two things, which will not part from each other until they both reach the pool of Kawther in heaven; The Qur'an and my family.

Do not be conned by FAKE MAHDIS under the guise of 'spiritualism'. To know true spirituality, to know who 'really' is in touch with Jesus, Khizr and Ilyaas, you must go to THE IMAMS of The Ahlul Bayt first.

The whole Muslim world is saying in their daily prayers "GOD BLESS MOHAMMMED AND HIS FAMILY, AS YOU BLESSED ABRAHAM AND HIS FAMILY". May Allah give us the sense to see who the leader of that FAMILY is TODAY.

Imam Mahdi will spread Justice and peace, but GOHARSHAHI will not, because he IS NOT IMAM MEHDI. They can insist that he is, a million times, but their insistence will not make him to be that which they suppose him to be. Only in their own brain. When he was alive and living in Cheetham Hill, alcohol was still being sold, drugs were still being consumed and prostitutes were still selling themselves. There was NO JUSTICE. So Goharshahi cannot dispense it. Furthermore he does not 'Spread Peace', Allah spreads 'peace' and 'Justice', whilst he suffers in Barzakh, just like everyone else

Narrative of THE TWELFTH IMAM Mohammad Al Qaa'im, son of The Eleventh- Hassan Al Askari:

'I AM THE MEHDI. I AM THE UPHOLDER AND UP KEEPER OF THE AGE. I am the one who fills the earth with justice just as it is filled up with aggression. and cruelty. THE EARTH DOES NOT REMAIN EMPTY OF THE PROOF OF ALLAH.'

(Bihar al Anwar, vol 52. p2)

'So know it that the right of IMAMAT is with US and among US. WHOSOEVER SAYS IT TO BE FROM OTHER THAN US IS A LIAR. NOBODY. NOBODY EXCEPT US CLAIMS IT BUT HE WHO HAS GONE ASTRAY AND DEVIATED.'

(Kamal ud Din, vol 2, p 511)

God bless Mohammed and his family, forever and ever. Amen

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Thanks for the reply....but I am surely a little confused as of how my question relates to your answer.

I wanted to know Gohar Shahi sahib's stand on Quran and Sunnah?

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Hi sorry to cut the story short...I am pretty sure the above Hadith you mentioned does not say the words Quran and Family but Quran and Sunnah!!!

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Dear Seyyed Naqvi,

Im sorry, but did you REALLY take the time to write an entire poem trying to degrade Imam Mehdi? Really?!

Anyway, I guess the one reason I personally believe in Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi is because I SEE RESULTS from His teachings. HE is spreading Justice, PEACE and LOVE throughout the world..I guess you will have to wait and see for yourself.

Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi's teachings are based on love of Allah, and the teachings ARE spirituality! Allah does not look at deeds or bodies, all looks at SHINY HEARTS! Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi beautifies hearts. We wash our face every day to look good for the world, but we have never thought to clean the one thing ALLAHS looks at, our heart! Imam Mehdi Gohar Shahi cleans the Qalb with noor of ALLAH. This is spirituality! Cleaning and enlightening the lataif with the noor and name of Allah!

Im sorry but none of the rest of your argument made much sense to me...they seemed rather like insults than actual points.

There is a difference between the words MAHDI and Mehdi, and I think you have confused them with each other. Mahdi means the Learned One who is able to render guidance, while Mehdi, being a Persian word, means the One of the Moon (Fitting, isnt it?). Syedna Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi is IMAM MEHDI.

I dont know about you, but I really tire of debating with someone who is not even listening to what I have to say, and who has the time to write such a long poem trying to degrade my points. Kind of childish, dont you think?

Well my advise to you is OPEN YOUR MIND, dont mock the signs of ALLAH (At least without investigation!) and try to understand the message of Imam Mehdi. However if you can't, it simply means the faiz and blessings of Imam Mehdi isnt for you. I would also like to point out, once again, that those who reject IMAM MEDHI and Jesus will eventually end up supporting the Dajjal, whether they intend to or not.

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I agree with you Omara that no one should disrespect or insult anyone's religious figures and you can report such posts.

I have another question. Has Gohar Shai sahib ever said to people of the earth to follow him? Or lets be precise do we have to follow him or is it not compulsory?

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Dear Omara

It is to the contrary.

Wasn't degrading Imam Mehdi. Was degrading Goharshahi. Two different things.

I think the ‘faiz’ and the blessings of ‘IMAM MEHDI (atf)’ 'are' for me. Unfortunately, it seems they are not for you.

It is clear that it is 'you' who have not been listening to what I say. It is 'not' fitting that 'Mehdi' is supposed to mean 'one on the moon'. The difference between a fatha and Kasrah? I looked it up in the dictionary, it isn't even there.

Your message as you admit is simple, and that's where the problem will always lie with people like yourself, who seem to glorify their own ignorance through lack of knowledge. I have made it clear that I believe in THE TWELFTH IMAM MEHDI. If YOU don't wish to believe in him, well, that is your loss, in the end it will be 'you' who end up supporting Dajjal, whether you intend to or not.

My point with the poem is that it is possible to see Goharshahis face in excrement. So I suggest you scrap the idea as proof that you can see his physog in other things as well. In my view, that's the thing that's really childish. Infact, 'I' am tired of speaking to someone who is seemingly as shallow and baseless as yourself, and, who desires only to come up with the same old rhetoric time and time again.

Where is your ability to question, to criticise? Where is your aptitude for reflection, through analytical study, and research? Does your reference material come from 'one' source only? Does the MFI tell you not to think or question the relative links to the physical and literal connections, prior to and after the actual life of Riaz Ahmed?

You've clearly either been brainwashed, or are trying to brainwash (through boredom). You speak about stimulating the heart but unfortunately the brain area is also seriously lacking. Younus Gohar may be rich, but his media tactics are cheap, not genuine, and a waste of time and money. He's out for his own ego, and is guiding us away from the same type of intellectual pursuit that Islamic Scholars, the like of ibn Sina and Suhrwardi actually attracted not just the Muslims to, but the Western world as well.

Wrong angle Younus. If you want to do it right then knock on Imam Ali's door first.

Stop kidding yourself Omara. You're telling me you are not aware of the beliefs of well over half the populace of Iraq, pretty much The Whole of Iran, and a sizeable portion of Lebanon? Are you saying they have no Mehdi to believe in as well? Where has the 'notion' of 'Hidden Imam' and 'Ghaybah' come from then? Mr Younus never heard of them before?

You can call it copyright theft or what you like. The concept of THE TWELFTH IMAM AL MEHDI (as) is the foolproof identity which I harken the rest of the Muslim world to adopt, to save them from people like the MFI. You and the ideals of non confrontational Sufi oriented teachings are exactly what America and Isreal desire to promote, to pacify their opponents. Whilst on the other hand they create and fund Taliban/Al Qa'edah to pit the Muslims against each other.

The ultimate aim for them is Iran, and has been since the time Seyyed Ruhollah Khomeini took power over the Illigitimate Monarch Shah Reza Pahlvi. The strength of that revolution lies in the belief of THE TWELFTH IMAM - AL MEHDI, (as), which scuppers the plan of The Freemasonic Devils to put a false ‘Saviour’ in place of someone who is already meant to be over a thousand years old. God gave him the capacity of life in the same way he gave it to Noah and Jesus. The strength and longevity of life lies penultimately in the bloodline of The Final Prophet.

The cheap and tacky poster pin ups from 'The Mehdi of Rawalpindi' would be laughable, if it were not for the fact that the lives of certain people I know have been destroyed by this CULT of yours. May God lift them out of that hell so that you too can accuse them of being in the army of Dajjal. The accusation of which is better than having to be with YOU in the MFI.

Go and show your ‘shiny heart’ to the children of Ghaza in Palestine. I’m sure they’ll appreciate it.

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To D Tox

Stop pretending to be inquisitive. Cut to the chase, accept him as your peer and then burn in 'the bright flames of the sun' like the rest of them. Who are you trying to kid?

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“Verily, I leave behind two precious things (thaqalayn) amongst you: the Book of Allah (QUR'AN)and my Ahl al Bayt (FAMILY). Verily, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the side of the Pond.”

  • Sahih Al Muslim, (English translation), book number 31, page numbers 5920-3

         !!!
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Thank for the reference...I am sure you understand there is difference in the word Ahle Bait and Family!

Also I remember now that word Quran and Sunah was used in last sermon Holy Prophet SAW gave.

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To D Tox

Stop pretending to be inquisitive. Cut to the chase, accept him as your peer and then burn in 'the bright flames of the sun' like the rest of them. Who are you trying to kid?

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