Famous Rewayet Of About Hz. Ali Ra.

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wah kiya baat hai quran kharaha hai "o wives of Prophet pbuh" too kiya wives male hoti hain.

or mujah dikaiya kay main nay kab kaha kay quran un ko massom kha raha hai.

is ayah ka najool is liya huwa kay mothers of ummah ra demand better lifestyle, or allah tallah nay unko guide kiya kay wo kiya hain and un ko kiya karna chahivey.

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When we read verses of the Quran, we should read the entire passage and not just isolated parts of it. We must see what is the context of what is being said. Otherwise, we will be misled. We are afraid that many people, either knowingly or unknowingly, are taking the Quran and Hadith out of context simply to win debates. Insha-Allah we should read the Quranic verses in their entirity and with an open heart.
Let us now read to whom this verse in the Quran is addressed to; let us read the entire sentence, starting from verse 33:32 all the way to verse 33:34.
“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless. And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes, of the Signs of Allah and His Wisdom: for Allah understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them).” (Quran, 33:32-34)
Allah Almighty clearly addresses the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). If we were to argue that this verse is the verse of purification and that it makes certain people infallible, then we would have to conclude that it is Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and the rest of the Prophet’s wives which were made infallible. We base this on the simple fact that the verse was revealed with the heading “O wives of the Prophet.” how can we say that this verse refers to Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and the so called Infallible Imams when none of them are mentioned here, but only the wives are addressed? We understand that it is a shia popular concept that this verse makes the Ahlel Bayt infallible. However, it is also the same people who spread such conceptions who believe that Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) hated Ali (رضّى الله عنه). It seems to us that, if anything, it is Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) who is made infallible, and if indeed that is the case shouldn’t the Shia side with her over Ali (رضّى الله عنه)?
There is actually not a single verse in the Quran which identifies Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), or Hussain (رضّى الله عنه) to be Ahlel Bayt. Not a single verse in the Quran mentions the so called 12 Infallible Imams of the Shia, let alone mentioning them as the Ahlel Bayt. Nowhere in the Quran does it refer to the so called Hidden Imam as the Ahlel Bayt. How is it then that a very fundamental aspect of the Shia faith is not in the Quran, which is supposed to be the ultimate guide to truth? How can the ultimate guide be devoid of the essence of belief, as the Shia claim that following their Ahlel Bayt is? **The term Ahlel Bayt has been used twice in the Quran, and both times to refer to the wives. **The Quran does not say “O cousin of the Prophet” but rather it says “O wives of the Prophet.”

In conclusion, the verse you have mentioned, Verse 33:33, was addressed to the Prophet’s wives.

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The term “Ahl” is masculine, no matter if it is referring to men or women. When an Arab refers to a man’s Ahlel Bayt and by this he means his wives, he will still make use of the masculine form, because Ahlel Bayt is a masculine construction even though it refers to the wives. Ahlel Bayt cannot be used in the feminine, simply speaking from a grammatical standpoint. So we should not be surprised when Allah uses the masculine term for Ahlel Bayt. If you were to tell an Arab man to bring his wives to your house, you would say “please bring your Ahlel Bayt” and this would be said in the masculine tense despite the fact that you are referring to his wives. It is considered rude in Arab-Islamic culture to ask a man “how is your wife” and instead the more culturally appropriate question is: “how is your Ahlel Bayt?” It is the polite way to refer to a man’s wives, and indeed, any time you refer to a man’s Ahlel Bayt, the masculine form is used. This is the Arabic language, and only an ignoramus and non-Arabic speaker would claim otherwise.

The verse was revealed to the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) and was referring to his wives, and thus the term Ahlel Bayt was used, in reference to the Prophet and his wives, thereby necessitating the usage of the collective masculine tense. If there is even one male in a group of females, then the collective masculine tense becomes necessary. It is impossible to exclude the Prophet’s wives from this verse because it is addressed to them.
To completely end any possible confusion on this matter, we shall provide proof from the Quran itself. Ahlel Bayt is used another time in the Quran and again this time to refer to the wives, using the collective masculine tense:
“She said: O wonder! shall I bear a son when I am an extremely old woman and this my husband an extremely old man? Most surely this is a wonderful thing. They said: Do you wonder at Allahs decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House)! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!” (Quran, 11:72-73)
The transliteration reads: “Qâlat Yâ WaylatâA’alidu Wa Anâ Ajûzun Wa Hadhâ Balî Shaykhâan Inna Hâdhâ Lashayun Ajîbun. Qâlû Atajabîna Min Amri Allâhi Ramatu Allâhi Wa Barakâtuhu `Alaykum Ahlul-Bayt-i Innahu amîdun Majîdun.” (Quran, 11:72-73)
In this verse of the Quran, the masculine form is being used for Ahlel Bayt even though the Ahlel Bayt in question is only one single woman. Again, this is the norm of the Arabic language, and indeed this is why the classical Shia scholars never made this argument about tense switching since to an Arab, it makes no sense whatsoever.
If Allah was purposefully switching tenses and this so clearly showed Allah’s intention, why then do the Shia Ulema–-as shown by Al-Islam.org–-argue that there had been Tahreef bit Tarteeb (i.e. tampering in the order of verses) of the Quran? How was Allah purposefully switching tenses when it was supposedly the Sahabah who manipulated the Quran’s order and it was they who decided the order, not Allah? This, to us, does not make any logical sense. How can the Shia further two contradictory claims, on the one hand claiming that the Sahabah may have purposefully placed the purification verse in the middle of the verses to the Prophet’s wives, and on the other hand claiming that this was Allah who was purposefully switching tenses to prove some point?
Furthermore, we’d like to state that Allah has mentioned it many times in the Quran that it is a Book of clear guidance, and that it is written in an easily understandable form. Allah Almighty says in the Quran: “These are the signs of the clear book.” (12:1) How clear is the Quran if an unbiased reader will think that it is the Prophet’s wives who are being referred to but in reality it is supposed to be Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه)? What prevented Allah from simply ending this confusion and instead clearly saying “O cousin of the Prophet and his family” instead of “O wives of the Prophet?” Why this confusion? Why did Allah place this verse of purification in the middle of commands directed towards the Prophet’s wives? Wouldn’t this mean that this is far from a clear book but rather it is a cryptic and confusing book?
Brother, you should read the Quran with an open mind and a receptive heart, without manipulating verses to mean what you want them to mean. Before and after Allah talks about being pure and spotless, the Quran is addressing the Prophet’s wives. Even after the pure and spotless part, Allah continues by saying “and recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes…” This is still referring to the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) since it is telling them to recite the Quran in their homes, not in the mosque like men do. The entire verse 33:32-34 was revealed to caution the Prophet’s wives to stay inside their homes so that Allah could keep them pure and spotless. Why is it that before and after the pure and spotless part, the Shia say these refer to the Prophet’s wives? How come all of the Quran’s warnings refer to the Prophet’s wives, but any praise about being pure and spotless automatically belongs to Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه)? Is this really a fair reading of the Quran?
Indeed, certain Shia Tafseer of the Quran say that virtually every praise in the Quran is given to Ali (رضّى الله عنه), and every condemnation to Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) and Umar (رضّى الله عنه). This is not a fair and balanced way to read the Quran, but rather it is a manipulation of the Word of Allah. If Allah wanted to condemn Abu Bakr (رضّى الله عنه) and Umar (رضّى الله عنه) in the Quran, then nothing prevented Him from mentioning their names like He mentioned Abu Lahab’s name. If Allah wanted to praise Ali (رضّى الله عنه) in the Quran, then nothing prevented Him from mentioning him as the “cousin of the Prophet” like Allah mentioned the Prophet’s wives. We cannot manipulate the speech of Allah to suit our own desires.
Perhaps the greatest manipulation of all is to say that this verse was revealed in reference to the Infallible Imams; where does Allah say any of this? Instead, He says “O wives of the Prophet.” What could prevent a Bahai from claiming that the verse is actually addressing Bahaiullah instead of the Prophet’s wives? We do not mean to be insulting or callous, but we need our Shia brothers to understand how the Ayatollahs’ interpretations are highly suspect.

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meri jaan, copy paste nu chado...... Sirf app mujhey itna bata do,
1. jo koi bhi ahley-bait hain woh pak hain ya nahieen ?
2. jin ka zikar 33:33 main ho raha hai, kia woh Quran ki na farmani ker saktay hain ?

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mods what is this “copy paste nu chado”.

if you read my post i already confirm that no one is masoom other then all prophets as.

also see two ayah of quran did you say all person who addressed in such ayah are masoom.

005:006] Oh you who believe! Before you rise for ‘salat’ (for prayers), wash your face and your hands up to your elbows, run your (wet) hands across your head, and (wash) your feet up to the ankles. Clean yourself (by bathing) if you are unclean (following a sexual experience). In case you are ill, or on a journey, or if you have been to the toilet, or if you have had (sexual) contact with (your) women and you do not find water to clean yourself, then perform ‘tayyamum’. Find a (rock or a) slab of earth and (after touching it) run your hands over your face and hands. Allah does not want to burden you with inconveniences. Rather, He wants to purify you and complete His blessings upon you. Perhaps, you would be grateful.

according to this verse any believer can be purified

[035:018] (In the afterlife), no one will bear the burden of somebody else’s (sins). The one heavily loaded (with sins) may ask others _ even his own closest relatives _ to help carry some of his load, but no one will assume even a tiny bit of his burden. In fact, (oh prophet), you can alert (only) those who fear their Lord and establish ‘salat’ without having seen Him. Whoever strives to purify his soul, does so for his own good. Towards Allah is (your final) destination.

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my questions were much simpler than ur answer…
copy paste nu chado, stop copy pasting ( punjabi )

u r very knowledge able, i do beleive that all Prophets a.s r masoom, but can u tell me why was Adam a.s sent to earth from jannah?

Last person to post in this thread wins!
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tusi aqal nal kam lo, tusi ki ak rahay ho.

  1. O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

18. Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burdens if one heavily laden should call another to (bear) his load. Not the least portion of it can be carried (by the other). Even though he be nearly related. Thou canst but admonish such as fear their Lord unseen and establish regular Prayer. And whoever purifies himself does so for the benefit of his own soul; and the destination (of all) is to Allah.

aiy jhari do ayah hain, aeda matbul bhi ahoji niklta hai jhera ayah-e-thateer da nikal da hai, tusi socho allah sab nu akda hai kay main tuanu saaf kar diyan ga, but tusi log ais ayah na ao matbal nahi nikaltay ho jhera tusi ayah-e-thateer da nikal day ho, sura ahzab wich allah nabi pak pbuh di bivian ra nu mukhatib hain allah aonu ayah no. 28 tu 34 tak mukatib hai tusi appay hi pharlo.

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Re: Famous Rewayet Of About Hz. Ali Ra.

it will be better if u mentioned surah number or name too !

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sura no. already mentioned.

005:006] Oh you who believe! Before you rise for ‘salat’ (for prayers), wash your face and your hands up to your elbows, run your (wet) hands across your head, and (wash) your feet up to the ankles. Clean yourself (by bathing) if you are unclean (following a sexual experience). In case you are ill, or on a journey, or if you have been to the toilet, or if you have had (sexual) contact with (your) women and you do not find water to clean yourself, then perform ‘tayyamum’. Find a (rock or a) slab of earth and (after touching it) run your hands over your face and hands. Allah does not want to burden you with inconveniences. Rather, He wants to purify you and complete His blessings upon you. Perhaps, you would be grateful.

according to this verse any believer can be purified

[035:018] (In the afterlife), no one will bear the burden of somebody else’s (sins). The one heavily loaded (with sins) may ask others _ even his own closest relatives _ to help carry some of his load, but no one will assume even a tiny bit of his burden. In fact, (oh prophet), you can alert (only) those who fear their Lord and establish ‘salat’ without having seen Him. Whoever strives to purify his soul, does so for his own good. Towards Allah is (your final) destination.

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What? When did this happen lol. Since you are fond of reading Nasibi stuff and do not represent the typical Sunni school hence you are totally ignorant of Sunni beliefs. According to Sunni beliefs anyone whom Allah [swt] likes to make Masoom can do so.

The Hadith makes two points very clearly:

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, “Allah never sends a prophet or gives the Caliphate to a Caliph but that he (the prophet or the Caliph) has two groups of advisors: A group advising him to do good and exhorts him to do it, and the other group advising him to do evil and exhorts him to do it. But the protected person (against such evil advisors) is the one protected by Allah.’ “
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 306

The actual Arabic word used in the above Hadith for “the protected person” is “Masoom”.

  1. It is Allah who gives Caliphate
  2. And since Allah makes such an appointment, hence he makes the person so appointed as Masoom.

If that is not clear to the thick Nasibi mind, then allow me to present the commentary written on it by Imams of Ahle Sunnah which makes it clear that Non-Prophets can also be Masoom. For example Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani wrote:

“... And what is meant by it, is to prove that Allah is the controller over all things, So He makes infallible whom He wants from them”. So the Infallible is the one who is made infallible by Allah and not by himself, because there isn’t anyone whose self (nafs) makes him Infallible, except if Allah has made him infallible.”
Fath al Bari, Kitab al Ahkaam, Hadith 6659

Imam of Ahl’ul Sunnah Allamah Badruddin al-Aini in his commentary of this tradition writes:

“The difference between the infallibility of believers (Mominin) and the infallibility of prophets is that the Prophet’s infallibility is by the way of necessity and of other's is by the way of possibility”.
Umada tul Qari Sharah Sahih Bukhari, Volume 23 page 155

Of interest Shah Ismail Shaheed Dehlawi in his esteemed book ‘Mansub e Imamate’ page 66-67

“One superior rank in the status of Wilayat is infallibility. Ismat means hidden protection that controls all the sayings, acts, manners, relationship, beliefs, and rank of Wilayat and drags him towards the truth, and curtails anything that seeks to drive you away from the truth. When such protection is used in the context of Prophets it is called Ismat, but when it is used for others it is called ‘Hifdh’. In reality Ismat and Hifdh are the same thing but the rules of manners prevent the usage of the title of Ismat for Awliya Allah. **
**The point is that, just as this hidden protection was bestowed on the Prophets also went to some obedient followers, hence Allah (swt) says:
”Surely (as for) My servants, you have no authority over them; and your Lord is sufficient as a Protector (Surah Bani Israil Verse 65)””.
Mansab e Imamate, page 66-67 (published in Lahore)

Al Muhaddith Shah Waliyullah Dehlavi states in At-Tafhimatu l-Iahiyah, Volume 2 page 21:

”No one doubts that truthfulness, purity, piety and good deeds were present in those individuals before they were appointed as Prophets. Similarly non Prophets can also naturally posses such virtues, this is called Isma (infallibility)”.

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boy nice, lol.

prove me ahlul sunna beliefs that hz. ali ra was imam and imamte exist, 2nd also give me fatwa from promenante sunni aalim that hz. ali ra and his selected offspring was masoom.

shia are ture nasibi so, do not call me nasaibi.

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What lol? Did you find any joke in my post? Or the Sunni books are joke to you, since I had only quoted them? Anyways, not responding to the post, I consider that you have no ground to refute the content, rightly so..

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shia are ture nasibi so, do not call me nasaibi
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It is you who have been licking the feets of the all time enemies of Ahlulbayt [as], you have praised the killers of Imam Hussain [as] by awarding them accolades of being "Thiqa" or "Seduq", so cut the crap and come out of the dream world created by the Nasibi madrasas for people like you.

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Re: Famous Rewayet Of About Hz. Ali Ra.

Going back to the first question ... Did Hz. Ali(AS) say that egg layers have no ears and live birthers have ears. I think in general this could be a true narration and I also think this pointing towards a few select exceptions is wrong for us to be doing. In the general sense he was right and we do not need to dwell on the exceptions.

Likewise there are some women stronger than men but we still say men are stronger than women. The original question and the line of reasoning behind it's generality being applied on specifics is not fair.

Happy Holi
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boy nice, lol..

What lol? Did you find any joke in my post? Or the Sunni books are joke to you, since I had only quoted them? Anyways, not responding to the post, I consider that you have no ground to refute the content, rightly so..

joke of century, you said ahlul sunna beliefs that other than prophet as imams of also masoom, first give me any authentic source where did ulma of ahlul sunna said such fake argument. and also wheredid ahlul sunna said that we beliefs on imamate, there is no imamate in islam, nether in quran and nor in heath of prophet pbuh also not claim by hz. ali ra and socalled imams of ahlul bait.

and also it is very clear that quran says ahlul bait to mothers of ummah.

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certaintly not, since we are speaking about so called massom person, who aware each and every thing if he says any thing should have different then all humen being and it should be 100% true not assumption and average.

shia beliefs that hz. ali ra have many quality, he ra aware knowledge of unseen, even at mairaz-e-mustafa pbuh hz. ali ra was there before our prophet pbuh.

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I have already cited one ref from Sahih Bukhari and two from the Imams of Ahle Sunnah making commentary of the Hadith. If the Nasibism flowing into your veins is causing you blindness then let me know, I woll repost it in a larger size.