Re: Famous non-pashto speaking pathans
Yeh its a mongol word, I think this use of khan came a little later on during the mughal's rule, but they had a hard time pacifying the pakhtun(afghan) tribes, in fact it were the pashtuns who helped Babur come into power.
Re: Famous non-pashto speaking pathans
On the contrary, Babur defeated Ibrahim Lodhi an Afghan to take over India.
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Babur not only defeated Ibrahim Lodhi, but he defeated all the pashtun tribes he encountered in the tribal areas as well. Read babur's own book Tuzk-i-Babri:
"..Marching out of Kohat, we took the Hangu-road for Bangash. Between Kohat and Hangu that road runs through a valley shut in on either hand by the mountains. When we entered this valley, the Afghans of Kohat and thereabouts who were gathered on both hill-skirts, raised their war-cry with great clamour. Our then guide, Malik Bu-sa'id Kamarl was well-acquainted with the Afghan locations ; he represented that further on there was a detached hill on our right, where, if the Afghans came down to it from the hill-skirt, we might surround and take them. God brought it right! The Afghans, on reaching the place, did come down. We ordered one party of braves to seize the neck of land between that hill and the mountains, others to move along its sides, so mat under attack made from all sides at once, the Afghans might be made to reach their doom. Against the all around assault, they could not even fight; a hundred or two were taken, some were brought in alive but of most, the heads only were brought. We had been told that when Afghans are powerless to resist, they go before their foe with grass between their teeth, this being as much as to say, " I am your cow." Here we saw this custom ; Afghans unable to make resistance, came before us with grass between their teeth. Those our men had brought in as prisoners were ordered to be beheaded and a pillar of their heads was set up in our camp."
"As the Bajauris were rebels and at enmity with the people of Islam [Babur's army], and as, by reason of the heathenish and hostile customs prevailing in their midst, the very name of Islam was rooted out from their tribe, they were put to general massacre and their wives and children were made captive. At a guess more than 3000 men went to their death ; as the fight did not reach to the eastern side of the fort, a few got away there. The fort taken, we entered and inspected it. On the'walls, in houses, streets and alleys, the dead lay, in what hurnbers ! Comers and goers to and fro were passing over the;bpdies. Returning from our inspection, we sat down in the Bajaur sultan's residence. The country of Bajaur we bestdwed on Khwaja Kalan,3 assigning a large number of braves to reinforce him. At the Evening Prayer we went back to camp. {Jan. 8th) Marching at dawn (Muh. 6th), we dismounted by the spring* of Baba Qara in the dale of Bajaur. At Khwaja Kalan's request the prisoners remaining were pardoned their offences, reunited to their wives and children, and given leave to go, but several sultans and of the most stubborn were made to reach their doom of death. Some heads of sultans and of others were sent to Kabul with the news of success ; some also to Badakhshan, Qundflz and Balkh with the letters-of-victory.
Shah Mansur Yusuf-zai, he was with us as an envoy from his tribe, he was an eye-witness of the victory and general massacre. We allowed him to leave after putting a coat {tun) on him and after writing orders with threats to the Yusuf-zai."
The above two are quotes from Babur's own book. He also forced Shah Mansur to send his daughter (Bibi Mubaraka) to Babur. Which Shah Mansur first refused but later relented.
To the contrary Afghans (Lodhi) supported Hindu Rajputs against Babur in his epic battle against Rana Sanka the Rajput Chief. Even in days of Akbar the defeated son of Sher Khan Sur, Hakim Sur supported the Rajputs against the Moghals and lost.
22-Ataullah isakhelvi ,a niazi pathan
as far as i know attaullah is not a niazi ...........
Re: Famous non-pashto speaking pathans
Umair khan - AM RAS ( AF Ferguson & Co. )
Babur not only defeated Ibrahim Lodhi, but he defeated all the pashtun tribes he encountered in the tribal areas as well. Read babur's own book Tuzk-i-Babri:
"..Marching out of Kohat, we took the Hangu-road for Bangash. Between Kohat and Hangu that road runs through a valley shut in on either hand by the mountains. When we entered this valley, the Afghans of Kohat and thereabouts who were gathered on both hill-skirts, raised their war-cry with great clamour. Our then guide, Malik Bu-sa'id Kamarl was well-acquainted with the Afghan locations ; he represented that further on there was a detached hill on our right, where, if the Afghans came down to it from the hill-skirt, we might surround and take them. God brought it right! The Afghans, on reaching the place, did come down. We ordered one party of braves to seize the neck of land between that hill and the mountains, others to move along its sides, so mat under attack made from all sides at once, the Afghans might be made to reach their doom. Against the all around assault, they could not even fight; a hundred or two were taken, some were brought in alive but of most, the heads only were brought. We had been told that when Afghans are powerless to resist, they go before their foe with grass between their teeth, this being as much as to say, " I am your cow." Here we saw this custom ; Afghans unable to make resistance, came before us with grass between their teeth. Those our men had brought in as prisoners were ordered to be beheaded and a pillar of their heads was set up in our camp."
"As the Bajauris were rebels and at enmity with the people of Islam [Babur's army], and as, by reason of the heathenish and hostile customs prevailing in their midst, the very name of Islam was rooted out from their tribe, they were put to general massacre and their wives and children were made captive. At a guess more than 3000 men went to their death ; as the fight did not reach to the eastern side of the fort, a few got away there. The fort taken, we entered and inspected it. On the'walls, in houses, streets and alleys, the dead lay, in what hurnbers ! Comers and goers to and fro were passing over the;bpdies. Returning from our inspection, we sat down in the Bajaur sultan's residence. The country of Bajaur we bestdwed on Khwaja Kalan,3 assigning a large number of braves to reinforce him. At the Evening Prayer we went back to camp. {Jan. 8th) Marching at dawn (Muh. 6th), we dismounted by the spring* of Baba Qara in the dale of Bajaur. At Khwaja Kalan's request the prisoners remaining were pardoned their offences, reunited to their wives and children, and given leave to go, but several sultans and of the most stubborn were made to reach their doom of death. Some heads of sultans and of others were sent to Kabul with the news of success ; some also to Badakhshan, Qundflz and Balkh with the letters-of-victory. Shah Mansur Yusuf-zai, he was with us as an envoy from his tribe, he was an eye-witness of the victory and general massacre. We allowed him to leave after putting a coat {tun) on him and after writing orders with threats to the Yusuf-zai."
The above two are quotes from Babur's own book. He also forced Shah Mansur to send his daughter (Bibi Mubaraka) to Babur. Which Shah Mansur first refused but later relented.
To the contrary Afghans (Lodhi) supported Hindu Rajputs against Babur in his epic battle against Rana Sanka the Rajput Chief. Even in days of Akbar the defeated son of Sher Khan Sur, Hakim Sur supported the Rajputs against the Moghals and lost.
That is perfect using Babur' own writing to defend his records. I wonder what the British had to say about South Asians after they defeated the Mughals. As for the rest of this revisionist garbage of history, all I will say is that the Pakhtun tribes may lost battles but were never vanquished unlike most of India.
So what is your agenda? Surely insulting the Pakhtun nation must have a background?
The Pakhtuns greatest weakness is the lack of unity.
So what is your agenda? Surely insulting the Pakhtun nation must have a background?
The Pakhtuns greatest weakness is the lack of unity.
khan sahib it na jazbatti na hoon .......... yar agar babur nay pushtoon ppl ki pitaee ki thee tu man lain na ......... u cant change the history record.
The other weakness pushtoon have got, they use "charas" alot and private lendeing (Sood khori) on top of it majority of the smuggler of pakistan are pushtoon and causing a loss of billions of ruprees to the exchequer of Pakistan.
They are not Pashtun, they are of Pashtun descent, there is a difference.
Mother-tongue/first-language defines ones ethnicity.
The people you mentioned are Punjabi and Urdudan, some of their ancestors were Pashtun.
We are all equal anyway, I don't understand the obsession with ancestory.
Being a Pashtun or not being a Pashtun does not make anyone better or worse than anyone else... Taqwa is all that matters.
khan sahib it na jazbatti na hoon .......... yar agar babur nay pushtoon ppl ki pitaee ki thee tu man lain na ......... u cant change the history record.
The other weakness pushtoon have got, they use "charas" alot and private lendeing (Sood khori) on top of it majority of the smuggler of pakistan are pushtoon and causing a loss of billions of ruprees to the exchequer of Pakistan.
Did you even read what I wrote? History is biased, more so when the person who was the victor writing it.
If Pakhtuns have these issues, then you don't want me to talk about what the rest of Pakistanis+Indians have going on.
whoa…urdu is actually my second language so that means ethnically I am not a Pakistani anymore..but of Pakistani ancestry 
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safar77 dug out a 4 year old thread, now thats what I call.....dedication..
safar77 dug out a 4 year old thread, now thats what I call.....dedication..
I call it a racist cut and paste job. Sad part is that it's not even factual.
My question is: If someone else were to step up and slander Group X of Pakistan, would this be tolerated? I'm curious because I have some choice words in the arsenal :)
Did you even read what I wrote? History is biased, more so when the person who was the victor writing it.
If Pakhtuns have these issues, then you don't want me to talk about what the rest of Pakistanis+Indians have going on.
every race and nation have competent ppl.
so u wanna say that pushtoon were not literate enough to write their history...............
mughal rules................... ;)
the most cheesiest urdu is spoken by paktoon gaurds and paktoon aunties. "Kaleemullah jati hai aafice aur phir hum ata hai tum kay ghar". :D
Does anyone know the origins of word 'khan'.
It was introduced by Mongols when they occupied good part of Afghanistan. It was Mongols who used it for themslves and not Pashtuns.
LOL exactly! I don't know why people assume that everyone with the last name Khan is Pashtun. I read the entire history of the surname Khan, it just happens to be a famous last name among Pashtuns because the Mongol army stayed in Afghanistan a lot longer. It doesn't mean every other person with the last name Khan is Pashtun/Pathan. There are Khanums/Khan Iranians, Indians, and even Chinese...
I call it a racist cut and paste job. Sad part is that it's not even factual.
My question is: If someone else were to step up and slander Group X of Pakistan, would this be tolerated? I'm curious because I have some choice words in the arsenal :)
ya mon, I used the word dedication and the pause before and after as sarcasm.
I know agendas the minute I read em.
As far as it being tolerated for any other ethnicity, I think all groups feel they get attacked, at one time or another. Encourage you to report it to the mods.
Other than that I personally don't care, being if rohilla background I was about to get offended until I read that since ethnicity is defined by mother tongue, I now consider myself Babylonian .... My first language was babbling.
the most cheesiest urdu is spoken by paktoon gaurds and paktoon aunties. "Kaleemullah jati hai aafice aur phir hum ata hai tum kay ghar". :D
I have heard your Urdu too ;)