False Prophets in Islamic History.

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**That's why false prophets and their followers should be killed and severely punished once the islamic state is established.
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wow. Reading that made me feel transported back to the medieval ages. Who determines who should be killed and who should survive? Just to refresh our memories - here's a quote from the founder of Pakistan himself, no less than Muhammad Ali Jinnah:

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You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.
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By the way, no one should determine who should and should not be put to death for choosing the "wrong" religion. To me, that's plain barbarism.

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Miss Nadia:)

So you are saying that the first caliph of Islam fought with the false prophets was wrong?

If he would have been linient with them back then,tthen today then islam would be fabricated just like any other religion and would have lost its whole original meaning.

Do you even know what happend right after the departure of our prophet? The whole arabia revolted and many tribal leaders thought just like muhammad they can also be successful by declaring themselsves prophets.

Let alone this, many other tribes refused to pay zakat and for some valid reasons.

However, Abu Bakar fought them all and killed them all and those who pleaded for peace they were forgiven.

And let me tell you that quote was mentioned it was intented for the non muslims like jews, christians, hindus or whatever and during that time qadiyanis were not declared kafirs by the govt of pakistan.

The followers of the false prophets are worst than non muslims.

Look what a huge following these ahmadis have created around the world. Meaning they are deviating muslims from their original teachings and principals.

You would hardly see a muslim getting converted to christianity, hinduism, or any other religion or being an atheist.

However, you will see a muslim getting converted to ahamdi all the time. Why is that? Therefore, this is really dangerous and such sort of tactics should not be tolerated.

Ahamdis are not any different from the group of those people who put the hole in the unity of muslims back then during the time of Hazrat Usman under the leadership of abdullah ibna sabah.

Such hypocrites should be killed or should be thrown out from islamic state.

I am not against any other religion, but i do hate ahmadis with passion.

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Angryman, Since you hate us so much, oh well, your loss. Actually, you don’t need an Islamic state, killing of Shias and other minorities is already going on more than it will in your Islamic state.

Jinnah's first foreign secretary was an Ahmadi. Are you jealous?

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<< However, you will see a muslim getting converted to ahamdi all the time. Why is that? Therefore, this is really dangerous and such sort of tactics should not be tolerated.

<< Look what a huge following these ahmadis have created around the world. Meaning they are deviating muslims from their original teachings and principals. >>

Do have any proof of it or it's just a statement.

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I haven’t seen his much insecurity in one’s faith since tha Ayatollah guy issued that fatwa against rushdie. Now I understand why here is a need for camp x-ray. All counires should have one. We can herd these folks in here as a precaution and laer on we can take our kids there like we go to zoos to show them what a “jihadicus moronicus” looks like. :k:

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Mr. Ny Ahmadi:)

now you are going to tell me my history.

I am not against shias because atleast they believe in muhammad not in some fake prophet like mirza ghulam ahmad qadiyani.

Yesh Muslims are more converting to ahamdis than they convert to other religions. I was reading this some where i forgot where i was reading it.

The Muslims of the subcontinent had a thousand years of rich history, but what do you ahmadish got?

Your post has been edited. Please watch what language you use in this Forum. If you want others to show the same respect towards religious figures important to you, then you have to extend the same respect for others. --Samarra.

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Angrayman, Having no status? Have you ever been to Rabwah? Do you know the only muslim scientist ever to have won a Nobel prize?

What do you think is the best way to die? Have your neck chopped - like Imam Hussian (which your people did) or die on a slab and being dragged thru streets of Nazareth? Do you think your God controls who dies under what circumstance? You can show your love to Shias all you want, but your brothers are killing them like flies.

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Mr. Ny Ahmadi:)

This is the biggest fault of muslims. They are divied and killing each other, that's why munafiqs pretend to be like us and act just like us and hurt islam more than any one else.

If muslims become united even today, they will leave no ahmadi or a munafiq on the surface of this earth this i can guarantee you this just like hazrat abu bakar crushed the fake prophet muslima ibn kazzab. And later Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Zubair crushed Mukhtar of Koofa.

Non muslims are innocent because they dont know any thing about islam, so their hatred is tolerable. However, you ahmadis read koran and it is clearly said in koran and hadiths that there will be no prophet after muhammad

Get the point?

Edited. Refer to my comments above. --Samarra.

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Mr. Angryman, how did Prophet Jesus die? As I said, when you are done preaching killing, may be people will start listening to you. Are you saying that God came down himself to blow up the mosque in Quetta to send 50 odd Shias to hell? Don't you think they were killed by your Muslim brothers? And love, you can hate us all you want, we wouldn't wana be loved by lowlifes anyway whose heads are buried in sand. Muslims united? I thought you need a visa to perform a basic required Islamic ritual. Must be quite painful, don't you think? Think of it as a punishment to your people from your Allah.

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What does that has to do with the killings of shia and prophet jesus?

This is totally illogical regarding this topic.

Yeah muslims are in such position today because allah has taken belssings away from us. Muslims had crossed their limits and because of which they are oppressed and not united and their leaders are corrupt and ignorant.

Go and read the history of spain, where muslims evnetually destroyed themselves. Why Genghis Khan attacked Baghdad? Because a muslim invited him to attack baghdad.

And you expect allah to keep giving them the blessings?

Allah dont help you, unless you help your self.

And speaking of prophet esa, yes he never died. He was taken to the heaven during the time fo crusifiction and it is all mentioned in detail in koran. If you claim to be a muslim, then why do you believe Jesus is dead? He is not because he was taken away directly to heaven.

There was this other prophet i think because of similar events was taken to heaven directly. I think it was prophet Yaseen.

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Mr. Angryman, how did Prophet Jesus die? As I said, when you are done preaching killing, may be people will start listening to you. Are you saying that God came down himself to blow up the mosque in Quetta to send 50 odd Shias to hell? Don't you think they were killed by your Muslim brothers? And love, you can hate us all you want, we wouldn't wana be loved by lowlifes anyway whose heads are buried in sand. Muslims united? I thought you need a visa to perform a basic required Islamic ritual. Must be quite painful, don't you think? Think of it as a punishment to your people from your Allah.
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Ok Poochey, if you say so. Was Genghis Khan an Ahmadi? When did he go to Baghdad?

Hey, why did Allah not lift him before putting the poor guy on the cross? Why create such a drama to scare poor people?

Since you talk about Abuakr a lot. How long was he Khalifa for?

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When did i say Genghis Khan was an Ahmadi. I gave you an example to prove my point how allah punished those corrupt muslims of that time.

there is a verse i think in koran, that says if a people of some place or of a nationa become corrupt, Allah punishes them by appointing brutal and corrupt people upon them.

And that's what exactly happend, Allah punished them in a brutal way by having tatars upon who destroyed all those cities which were the center of muslims' culture and civilization of that time.

When I say punishment from allah, dont expect allah will destroying a part of the world in same fashion as he punished the people of sodom or the people of Noah. Because the prophethood had been completed and nothing such punishment will come ever. However, that doesn't mean people will not be punished on invidual basis. Allah gives you the signs to imporve yourself by putting you in to trouble.

Now its up to you to get the signs or not.

And speaking of Abu Bakar, I think he ruled for about 2- 3 years not exactly sure.

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No, he ruled for one year (and going by your account, he spent most of it killing other people - when did he ever have a time to be a Khalifa???). Secondly, Genghis Khan concurred half of the southern hemisphere, and not just Islamic countries, he could care less whom he conquered. Don't display your ignorance and stupidity about the things you have little clue about. When Muslims conquer a Land (it is a blessing) when others Conquor, it is a wrath of Allah??? make up your mind man. Did your Allah also wanted to punish the Chinese? If so for what reason?

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NYA, why are you referring to those who killed 50 muslims in Quetta as "fellow Muslims"?. On one hand you suggest that all the orthodox mullahs and the guppies here have hijacked Islam and then at the same time you are calling them Fellow Muslims?. Doesn't sound fair, man.

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Funguy, they are his "fellow" muslims, and not yours. He is preaching their kind of Islam, notice how he wants the Ahmadis to be killed in an Islamic state. I didn't mean to imply peace loving muslims (which most are) and only a very small minority. My apologies if it came out wrong.

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NYA, Thanks for the clarification.

:rocketup: This one up those who deceivingly kill others in the name of religion.

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Mr. NyAhmadi,

First of all he didn't rule of 1 year you are wrong on that.

And second of all, if you dont know the reasons why Genghis Khan attacked the muslim held regions, then you should shut your mouth.

Furthermore, Genghis Khan didn't destroyed baghdad but it was his grandson Halagu Khan who destroyed Baghdad. As a matter of fact, Halagu Khan was invited by the caliph of baghdad's most trusted minister alqami to take over and attack.

As far as Genghis khan is concerened, he didn't attack the Shah of Khawarzam for the hell of it who was the most powerful Muslim Sultan of that time. Infact, his stupidity made him face the disaster.

He killed a bunch of genghis khan's appointed delegation, which was on a business trip in the kingdom of Khawarzam. The shah supsected them as spies and he ordered his soldiers to kill them without giving them a fair trial or investigation. This made Genghis Khan furious, he attacked, but when shah heard genghis has attacked instead of fighting he just ran away.

Therefore, it was again the punishment that muslims recieve because the sultan represented the character of the people that he ruled.

I can be friends with a christian, Hindu, Sikh, Athiest, but not with Ahamdis.

And Yes i dont support the attack on that shia mosque and whoever did it will go to hell.

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You clowns look to see if you can be friends with other people based on scripture written in another time. What happened 1000 yrs ago has no bearing on todays world. People like you are keeping the muslim world back in the ages of camel herding and tribal ways.

So what if Mirza says he was the prophet? Didn;t mohamad make the same claim? I can say that I am a prophet. (sometimes I am) I don' see the ahmadis going and killing 50 sunnis in a mosque to lay their claim on the vitrues of islam. It would be an improvement.

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You clowns look to see if you can be friends with other people based on scripture written in another time. What happened 1000 yrs ago has no bearing on todays world. People like you are keeping the muslim world back in the ages of camel herding and tribal ways.

So what if Mirza says he was the prophet? Didn;t mohamad make the same claim? I can say that I am a prophet. (sometimes I am) I don' see the ahmadis going and killing 50 sunnis in a mosque to lay their claim on the vitrues of islam. It would be an improvement.
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I am dumbfounded how u make judgement at anothers religion or belief!!! More than one billion muslims believe in authencity of Holy Quran.. and its a miracle that its the only Holy book that hasnt changed with time.. since its memorized by millions throughout the ages.. our fundamental beliefs are deep rooted and its valid today and in future otherwise Islam would not be spreading even today.. yes some muslim misrepresent the essence of Islam but saying something written way back doesnt apply today is a foolish remarks..

Just having some Ahmadi friends doesnt mean that u can start comparing Muhammad (PBUH) and Mirza! More tahn 1 billion muslims believe Muhammad (PBUH) as last messenger of God on earth.. u can believe what u like ...

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Degas, more than a billion? At one time there were only 4. So the number don’t tell anything, beside there is little to none birth control in Islamic countries.

Angryman, did you ever ask an Ahmadi if he wants to befriend you? Matsui and I have one Sunni friend, and he is more than we can handle. So you can go to hell along with your brothers who are killing Shias in Pakistan. Go befriend them. You are now rejecting the word of Quran where it is commanded of you not to befriends Christians. Do you know the punishment for that? Secondly, your history is not only completely wrong, but it is very comical too. Where did you go to school?