Faiz - A controversial interview

[muqawwee123]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@ajazali

Again contradiction, you give the orhterwise argument that is against the view of Faiz. How can we believe this “real” appreciation for Faiz?

leken aap k labon ko kia huwa hai phir, keh dain, Faiz was wrong, soul of Faiz would not mind…

mere bhai, Faiz didn’t ask his readers to follow him like prophet. he was an ordinary human being and he got respect of readers (including mine) as he was open to all views.

There is no need of any compulsion to disrespect writers, but there is also no reason why one should not present opposite views.

[ajazali]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@muqawwee123

mere bhai, Faiz didn’t ask his readers to follow him like prophet. he was an ordinary human being and he got respect of readers (including mine) as he was open to all views.

There is no need of any compulsion to disrespect writers, but there is also no reason why one should not present opposite views.

Yes, but what happened to your point that telling a fact is not hatred?
Actually both statements are negating each other… so just say your right and Faiz was wrong… or vice versa
I could never have asked you this way if you have not given a plain and sweeping statement like “there is no Urdu novel addressing rural areas issue” against “Urdu addressed other classes as well”
bol k lab azad hai tere!

[muqawwee123]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@ajazali

Yes, but what happened to your point that telling a fact is not hatred?
Actually both statements are negating each other… so just say your right and Faiz was wrong… or vice versa
I could never have asked you this way if you have not given a plain and sweeping statement like “there is no Urdu novel addressing rural areas issue” against “Urdu addressed other classes as well”
bol k lab azad hai tere!

I don’t agree with Faiz sb as he didn’t elaborate and he was not asked to elaborate the point. This doesn’t give me right to call him wrong, but it doesn’t confiscate my right as a reader to raise my concern based on my observations. I just didn’t give a statement, I came up with examples. If any poster got examples to the contradictory, that would help change my perspective as I could be able to understand Faiz sb’s statement.

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

I don’t agree with Faiz sb as he didn’t elaborate and he was not asked to elaborate the point. This doesn’t give me right to call him wrong, but it doesn’t confiscate my right as a reader to raise my concern based on my observations. I just didn’t give a statement, I came up with examples. If any poster got examples to the contradictory, that would help change my perspective as I could be able to understand Faiz sb’s statement.

being not agree means Faiz was wrong on that particular stance. anyway will get to that later…

your answer to following question will calrify you intentions
Do you think that as Urdu has it limitation of reaching the viewers of rural areas so the local languages also have its limitation of reaching other ethinicities and provinces?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

being not agree means Faiz was wrong on that particular stance. anyway will get to that later…

your answer to following question it will calrify you intentions
Do you think that as Urdu has it limitation of reaching the viewers of rural areas so the local languages also have its limitation of reaching other ethinicities and provinces?

what do you mean by reaching?

[ajazali]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@muqawwee123

what do you mean by reaching?

means you said, urdu litrature could not get more popularity among masses

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

Its not fact that for all Sindhis poetry of Bulleh Shah, Waris Shah and Sultan Bahoo is useless because they don’t understand Punjabi. If a person can understand can understand only 20% of Shah Latif’s poetry in Sindhi, he can understand Punjabi Sufi poetry to a great extent. Both languages got huge common vocabulary. One just need to have a little grip of one language to understand the other language.

tooti phooti Punajbi te main vi bol leya haan:D

Its not about language, its about topics of poetry. As I already asked, bring me Urdu poetry that talks of** rural issues **or touch the thought of people living in those areas. Todate ’ Aj kala joda paa sadi farmesh te’ get more audience in rural Pakistan then ‘Bol ke lab azad hai tere’. The problem is again not with the langauge, obviously Faiz’s kalam got depth and before his poetry, poetry like ‘aj kala joRa pa’ is nothing more than a timepass.

They talked against casteism, social inequalities, looters on the name of religion which was construed against religion.

Which religion promotes looters and castetism (Syed / Non Syed, etc), it was the prevalent interpretation of religion against which Sufis raised their voice.

I missed an important post… note the bolded bits

’ Aj kala joda paa sadi farmesh te’ is that how the problems of rural areas are adressed through local language?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

means you said, urdu litrature could not get more popularity among masses

availability and popularity are two different things. One followed by the other. If you ask me specific to rural Sindh, most of the book stalls don’t have stocks of Urdu books. So, availability is issue there. We all know that availability is affected by demand-supply game and this proves popularity. I myself had to ask my cousins to bring Urdu books from Karachi, when I was in my hometown.

[ajazali]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@muqawwee123

availability and popularity are two different things. One followed by the other. If you ask me specific to rural Sindh, most of the book stalls don’t have stocks of Urdu books. So, availability is issue there. We all know that availability is affected by demand-supply game and this proves popularity. I myself had to ask my cousins to bring Urdu books from Karachi, when I was in my hometown.

see again you made excuses for sindhi against Urdu. But in Punjab you can see a lot of stalls of books in urdu but not a single stall of Sindhi books. Dont you think this is the disadvantage of publication in local language?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

I missed an important post… note the bolded bits

’ Aj kala joda paa sadi farmesh te’ is that how the problems of rural areas are adressed through local language?

I was just giving an example in lighter tone how simple language attract masses. Same goes true for Urdu / Hindi songs like ’ Munni Badnam hui’, etc. Otherwise, local languages are not barren to produce quality poetry.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@ajazali

see again you made excuses for sindhi against Urdu. But in Punjab you can see a lot of stalls of books in urdu but not a single stall of Sindhi books. Dont you think this is the disadvantage of publication in local language?

which is the most published book in Punjab?

PS: Don’t get allergic from the name of Sindh / Sindhi. mentioning popularity of a particular languages literature doesn’t mean talking against the other language.

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

I was just giving an example in lighter tone how simple language attract masses. Same goes true for Urdu / Hindi songs like ’ Munni Badnam hui’, etc. Otherwise, local languages are not barren to produce quality poetry.

good…
Can you give me some example of revolutionary notion that has same depth as faiz’s “bol k lab azad hain tere” and got popularity same as “aj kala jorra pa”, by a sufi poet?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

good…
Can you give me some example of revolutionary notion that has same depth as faiz’s “bol k lab azad hain tere” and got popularity same as “aj kala jorra pa”, by a sufi poet?

have you not read rich Punjabi literature?

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

which is the most published book in Punjab?

PS: Don’t get allergic from the name of Sindh / Sindhi. mentioning popularity of a particular languages literature doesn’t mean talking against the other language.

No, I am not a qaum parast, I feel sory for the poor women of Sindh and women of Punjab equally. Thats what my religion teaches me.

in taza khudaon mein barra sab se watan hai…

[ajazali]

Re: Faiz - A controversial interview

@muqawwee123

have you not read rich Punjabi literature?

I am asking you, tell me which revolutionary notion got popularity?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

I am asking you, tell me which revolutionary notion got popularity?

I’ll give you examples of local language poets who lead revolutionary movements, but first you tell me do you think Punjabi is a barren language, which could not produce affective literature. If yes, why? who is responsible for that? Isn’t this widely spoken language got right to have literature for masses?

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

I’ll give you examples of local language poets who lead revolutionary movements, but first you tell me do you think Punjabi is a barren language, which could not produce affective literature. If yes, why? who is responsible for that? Isn’t this widely spoken language got right to have literature for masses?

You must give me examples

Punjabi can produce rich litrature but I am asking you about what are the revolutioanry notions got popularity as you expect from Urdu…

So you dont think that it is a problem of local language publication that it could not get popularity among other provinces???

[ajazali]

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Thanks muqa, I concede the point… my posts are removed so there is no point discussion for me…
Thank you all…