1- I sated my knowledge at the end. Clearly. So did not shy away from the question.
2-Reson I mentioned 6000s, according to my little knowledge all fun is made over the assumption that every belive in God also believe earth starting 6000 years ago.
Atleast appreciate the fact that, some one took time to mentioned that its not 6000 year old. (which is true)
So you don’t think we came from monkeys… I don’t believe we came from monkeys…
What we are arguing about ??
If you say dna is similar to some thing, which is in people and monkeys… I have no issue..
Remember my “if you were a salan” thread ?
Some silly person might even find you reinforcing our fairytale idea, when God tells his blessing on man kind he tells “language” “use of cumulative knowledge”
With out that we will be no different then monkeys any ways.
I see no problem.
Thanks for the red part.. it added to my knowledge.
As I stated above.. mulims get sucked into argument which is not there to defend.
So this idea you said above.. I see no reason to argue.
anyway. religions exist because they try to answer three basic questions -
where are we and everything around us from.
what are we doing here.
where do we go to.
fairytales have answered these with fables at some point in time until these fables were obsoleted by discoveries, more knowledge, research, fossils, etc.
if you want to take the leap of blind faith, that is fine. but you are on the wrong side of history. the movement is towards truth.
Come one give me a hug.. I did not know we were so close in our believes.
Also please for future discussion, can you appreciate “not being wrong principle” ?
Like I say “I was in the room”.. you see and say "I saw an elephant. "
That does not mean I was not there, I was under his foot.
I might tell about elephant later..
Adam and Eve has not been disproven. The origin of man has not yet been discovered by science. As for the sharing DNA with monkeys argument that doesn’t mean anything either. Humans share 50% of their DNA with bananas. So are we also descended from fruit?
As for belief and faith its just one of those things. Some people have it. Some people don’t. Allah says it is He who guides. So some people are guided to Islam and some aren’t. No one can convince anyone of God. If anyone is convinced it is because Allah allowed him to be convinced.
Hi pal, indeed fruit and us have common ancestry. Is this news to you? It shouldn’t be. Please read up on your evolution 101. Adam and Eve is a fable. Same as animals being made of water, man of clay etc etc.
what do you mean by “just a theory”? evolution is a theory and it is a fact. the two are not mutually exclusive unless you have magically redefined the word “theory”, pal.
also interesting that you want proof to believe in evolution, but will blindly accept that there is god, who created everything etc etc and he himself didnt need creating. very much the opposite of logical, yet no proof asked for?
Far worse to blindly accept that there is a god, who is omnibenevolent, but yet will torture people in hell, merely for disbelieving in him. Considering whats at stake, man’s eternal soul, you’d think he’d actually make a genuine effort to persuade as many as possible to conform to the one true religion. And being omniscient, obviously he would have managed to achieve that goal, if he set out to actually achieve it.
The main manner to escape tortuous torment, seems to be through indoctrination. God indeed works in mysterious ways. He relies on indoctrination to carry his message through, instead of actually making his one true religion’s theology and teachings so logical, persuasive and full of conviction, that they would practically speak for themselves. Which again could convince majority of mankind to conform to that one true religion, so majority of them, who happen to be normal, decent people, don’t have to be tormented in hell.
But here he is, perfectly fine with torturing people, merely for disbelieving, despite being omnibenevolent.
Thats fine, but why the severe punishment, merely for disbelieving? Why would an omnibenevolent god torture anyone eternally, simply for being a polytheist? Especially when the polytheist, is like most monotheists, simply following the religion of his birth.
The Qur’an is my proof of the existence of God. And evolution hasn’t been proven without a doubt yet. You obviously can’t seem to help the aggressive tone so I’m just going to leave it here. Good day.
I was riding behind the Prophet (pbuh) on a donkey and he said to me “O Mu’adh, do you know what is the right of Allah on his slaves and what is the right of the slaves upon Allah?” I responded: “Allah and His Messenger know best.”
He continued, "The Right of Allah upon His slaves is to worship Him Alone and never to associate anything with him. The right of slaves upon Him is not to punish any person who does not associate anything with Him.”
(Al Bukhari and Muslim)
And here’s something else that is maybe just for you.
**[16:33] Are they waiting for the angels to come to them, or until your Lord’s judgment comes to pass? Those before them did the same thing. GOD is not the One who wronged them; they are the ones who wronged their own souls.
[16:34] They have incurred the consequences of their evil works, and the very things they ridiculed came back to haunt them.
[16:35] The idol worshipers say, “Had GOD willed, we would not worship any idols besides Him, nor would our parents. Nor would we prohibit anything besides His prohibitions.” Those before them have done the same. Can the messengers do anything but deliver the complete message?
[16:36] We have sent a messenger to every community, saying, “You shall worship GOD, and avoid idolatry.” Subsequently, some were guided by GOD, while others were committed to straying. Roam the earth and note the consequences for the rejectors.**
Thornewood jee, I asked a simple question, would have appreciated a simple straightforward answer. Preferably not from scripture I do not believe in. Because said scripture is just reinforcing my point, nothing else.
I apologise then. I can’t answer your questions. Those questions are questions for God. Seeing as how I am not Him I cant answer. I seem to inspire aggressive replies in everyone. Good day.
Believing in Almighty Allah is when a person say, I believe in Almighty Allah (Allah is One, not in numerical sense, but in the sense that HE has no partner), HIS Angels, HIS Books, HIS Messengers, resurrection after death, fate, whether good and bad is from Almighty Allah, the accounting, the scale, hell and paradise, all is true.
We have immaculate examples of Prophets who no doubt went through hard times preaching messages of Almighty Allah and later on the Prophets and their followers had mercy of HIM.
Those things which doesn’t workout in our favor, as you wrote, I call them “Lusts of worldly affairs”. We either knowingly or inadvertently wish to live more in this world so that those things works out for us rather then paying attention towards the eternal life in the hereafter. Almighty Allah says in the Holy Qur’an Chapter 57 Verse 20:
“Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose [resulting] plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes [scattered] debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion.”
Nevertheless, usually when things don’t workout in our favor, that is a very crucial time because the Satan try to tempt a person with falsehood to divert his/her attention from Almighty Allah. That is why we are told to “believe in God”, “Have faith”, “Have patience” etc.
Prophet Isa A.S., without a father, Prophet Muhammad an orphan, both have countless blessing of Almighty Allah who is indeed loves us more then our mother. So I disagree with you what you wrote above.
When people suffer left, right, center then that is not because of Almighty Allah but because of other peoples. Almighty Allah created the creation free of both belief and disbelief, and then HE addressed them commanding and prohibiting them. Furthermore Almighty Allah did not constrain any of HIS creation to either disbelieve or to believe; nor did HE create them as believers or non-believers, but rather as people, with belief and disbelief being their own act. So those who do keep commandment try their best not to cause any negative to their left, right, center but those who don’t keep commandment actually cause problems for other and that is why we people left, right, center suffering from various unpleasant issues.
^ I appreciate your reply in detail. I am a Muslim, I have faith in Allah its just that I see a lot of disturbing things around me/with me that it affects my thought process. May Allah guide us all to the right path
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an orphan, both have countless blessing of Almighty Allah who is indeed loves us more then our mother. So I disagree with you what you wrote above.