I haven’t come across the evidence which the theory of inflation, or the observation of CBR provide towards multiverse theory. Let me know if you come across dive reading material that I can refer to.
Multiverse is just an idea, a thought if you may. It’s a way of trying to explain the existence of our universe with the specific laws of physics. It’s an attempt to answer the question that why the universe is the way it is? Without throwing in the possibility of a multiverse system, we appear quite special, which leads to the arguments in favor of an intelligent design. Multiverse is the only solid argument against the intelligent universe. However, there is no way we can prove it.
I haven't come across the evidence which the theory of inflation, or the observation of CBR provide towards multiverse theory. Let me know if you come across dive reading material that I can refer to.
Multiverse is just an idea, a thought if you may. It's a way of trying to explain the existence of our universe with the specific laws of physics. It's an attempt to answer the question that why the universe is the way it is? Without throwing in the possibility of a multiverse system, we appear quite special, which leads to the arguments in favor of an intelligent design. Multiverse is the only solid argument against the intelligent universe. However, there is no way we can prove it.
It's the study of Cosmic inflation that led scientists to believe that a Multiverse is a very good possibility. It's not just an idea. It's a calculated idea. Physicists have been able to calculate how many possible universes could exist in a Multiverse. Yes, a Multiverse would definitely prove that we are not special. Of course you cannot prove the existence of Multiverse. Maybe if they can discover a Graviton one day, they might be able to detect another universe.
I will see if I can find an interesting read on Multiverse and send it your way.
That is kind of my point, Newton's laws did not apply at that time so although these laws can be proven through mathematical equations for what we are seeing and observing today. It does not mean there are no exceptions in some other corner of space. Bottom line, I believe that with the sheer area of space, there are so many possibilities and circumstances that can not be imagined by humans.
Are you saying there is a place in our universe where Spacetime curvature doesn't exist? In a 3D universe, that's not possible that's why it's a universal law. Maybe in other dimensions or another KIND of universe, it can, which we can't really imagine.
Physicists have been able to calculate how many possible universes could exist in a Multiverse.
That is quite a statement you have made here. Other universes could be different from ours in so many ways that I am not sure that anyone can reach that number.
But yes please, if you get any reading material, please send me the link
That’s the thing. The calculations are based on how many different and alike universes could possibly exist in a Multiverse. This calculation depends on what our human brain can observe so there is a limit. It’s a hypothetical scenario and not necessarily an evidence of a Multiverse. If the Multiverse ever gets discovered only then we can calculate further whether our calculations are correct or not. Here’s a link to a relatively simple explanation of how this is even possible. If We Live in a Multiverse, How Many Are There?
^ interesting article, but it goes against your argument with aqua, where you debated (correct me if I am wrong) that mathematic can be used to explain the laws of physics, but should not be use to invent. The article you posted gives an impression that this two folks played with the probability theory and came up with the number.
BTW, I am not saying that multiverse idea is not a viable one. I mean who is to say that if an event (big bang/creation of universe) can happen once, it can't happen again. In fact our universe survived on the principle that whatever happened once, can and will happen multiple times.
^ interesting article, but it goes against your argument with aqua, where you debated (correct me if I am wrong) that mathematic can be used to explain the laws of physics, but should not be use to invent. The article you posted gives an impression that this two folks played with the probability theory and came up with the number.
BTW, I am not saying that multiverse idea is not a viable one. I mean who is to say that if an event (big bang/creation of universe) can happen once, it can't happen again. In fact our universe survived on the principle that whatever happened once, can and will happen multiple times.
It's not inventing mathematics. It's called hypothesizing using mathematics. I see no contradiction. Yes, it's probability calculations that we are dealing with.
Hypothesizing is like saying that if one man can build a wall in 10 hours, then 600 men can build it one minute.
OK ok I am just kidding with you. I am all excited about the idea of parallel universes. Just imagine having multiple copies of me amongst so many universes. Do you need a Paradise after that?
vat do you guys think of string theory, which is pretty much the assumption on which the whole multiverse idea come up. i no like it. :\
It makes the whole idea of a Multiverse plausible so I like it! String theory also makes the possibility of having different dimensions real. It is definitely stranger than fiction. I hope one day we can observe and test it. What is it about the String Theory you do not like?
Queer stopped liking the string theory since his pajama string broke on him after the all you can eat pakora samosa buffet, causing the wardrobe malfunction.
Now only if the theory could be called elastic theory...
it just has no elegance. or maybe i just cant see it.
I agree. In order to show every particle as some vibration of one string, the theory just turned itself into a jungle. I am no mathematician, but believe that the need of 10 (or 11 or 26, whatever the number is) dimensions came out because they had to fit so many different particles. So at the end, it looks like a mathematical trick, than a real theory.
How could the possibility of presence of multiverse suggest that we are not special or we are?
will that automatically prove that life exists with other universes too?
In a multiverse system, every and any combination and permutation of scientific laws are possible. We resulted from one of those million gazillion possibilities. That makes us just a conclusion of one specific set of laws, while that specific set was bound to happen because its one of the probability.
If you throw your dice and get a six every time, then that is special cause that is unique to you. If you throw it 720 times and get a six at least once, then it’s no longer special. We are that six that came because multiple universes exist, so we were bound to happen. Nothing special there
I agree. In order to show every particle as some vibration of one string, the theory just turned itself into a jungle. I am no mathematician, but believe that the need of 10 (or 11 or 26, whatever the number is) dimensions came out because they had to fit so many different particles. So at the end, it looks like a mathematical trick, than a real theory.
The whole point of string theory is to unify the forces, you know strong, weak, electromagnetic, and FINALLY gravity! String theory calculations that unify these forces must have different dimensions, 3 dimensions, 6 other dimensions, and time. The strings aren't alike. There are those that stay grounded and then there are those that can fly away. Gravity strings are thought to be the ones that can fly away.
For string theory to hold any weight, scientists need to prove the existence of predicted dimensions. I don't look at it as a jungle, I look at it very differently. It explains at the very microscopic level of an atom that every particle is made of different vibrating energy strings. That is what shapes every particle. If scientists can somehow observe these strings and different dimensions within, they will be able to explain why certain laws do not change, like the speed of light, gravity, space time, and other constants.
In a multiverse system, every and any combination and permutation of scientific laws are possible. We resulted from one of those million gazillion possibilities. That makes us just a conclusion of one specific set of laws, while that specific set was bound to happen because its one of the probability.
If you throw your dice and get a six every time, then that is special cause that is unique to you. If you throw it 720 times and get a six at least once, then it's no longer special. We are that six that came because multiple universes exist, so we were bound to happen. Nothing special there
According to disbelievers, even if you get six 720 times it is not special because it is possible with PROBABILITY. That if you take probability then there is nothing special because if you get six 2 times you can get 720 times too. But this argument is made by disbelievers.
But I am still unable to get how can you conclude that if more universes exist then we are not special. If you establish that there is a life within other universes how can that change the possibility of existence of God?
Now, let me explain the process of creating an object at abstract (graph) level and not at quantum or atomic level. If you create an object you have to create a closed path. The property of closed path is its initial and final vertices are the same. Now dont jump to look at other universes, instead start counting the probability of creating objects (closed path) around you.
