http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1672000/1672121.stm
Excerpts:
And for the americans:
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**The Taleban fighters are local men familiar with every detail of the hills.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
CM, your Taliban now control less than 15% of Afghanistan, to you it might be a victory compared to your grades, but realistically, how many more days do you give them to get completely lost? Do you think that by Eid, the NA will have captured the entire country with the help of the almighty United States? And why were the Foreign Taliban killing the local ones? Any news about that?
15%?
According to the economist it is 35%.
Which one do you think i believe?
Second, they are still fighting.
So i suggest you go back and watch CNN so that you can remain ignorant of the facts.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
CM. don’t give the economist a bad name, please. #2, their news is 10 day old. Are you sure that you are watching the upto minute news? Even then, 35% is pretty darn sh1tty compared to 95, don’t you think? Are you saying that you are happy for them with 35%? Man, you are really a big time loser.
There news is 10 days old.
But have you heard of any land gained by the NA during that time???
If you have link it.
No your crappy tv is not a link.
35% from 95% is bad, but the war isn't over.
A loser me?
That coming from one who has lost his modship?
Laughable!
35% 100% in the coming months.
Yes i am happy with the 35%.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
Taliban counterattacks are now reported across strategic parts of Northern, Central, Eastern and Southern Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance were apparently humiliated just south of Kabul in Maidan Shah. Now the Taliban seems likely to regain the initiative in the south and control an unbroken chain of towns from Kandahar to the gates of Kabul. In the North the Taliban furiously pushed back NA forces from Khanabad and Kunduz, as the NA argues amongst itself as to who should take 'over' the town in the event of the much awaited 'surrender' of Kunduz.
This reminds me one the situation in 1973 when the American's left south Vietnam believing their allies could handle things. Two years later in 1975, we all saw the humiliating surrender at Saigon, and the flight of the Americans.
If Talibans control less than 15% of the territory, they at least have the backing of majority of Pashtoons apart from the Zahir Shah clan. On the flip side of the coin, NA is composed of minority element who lack man power and support to rule central and southern Afghanistan.
While Americans rave, bomb indiscriminately the war wages on against NA who are in no position to advance beyond Kabul. All the efforts by Karzai- to persuade pashtoons to switch sides in South- have faltered since he lacks religious allegiance in the region. There is no end to this war until the defeat of US cause in Afghanistan.
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Well said malik.
This war is far from over.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
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Originally posted by Abdullah k:
**If Talibans control less than 15% of the territory, they at least have the backing of majority of Pashtoons apart from the Zahir Shah clan. On the flip side of the coin, NA is composed of minority element who lack man power and support to rule central and southern Afghanistan.
While Americans rave, bomb indiscriminately the war wages on against NA who are in no position to advance beyond Kabul. All the efforts by Karzai- to persuade pashtoons to switch sides in South- have faltered since he lacks religious allegiance in the region. There is no end to this war until the defeat of US cause in Afghanistan.
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Exactly right Abdullah. The Taliban do actually still control 35% of Afghanistan as CM said earlier, I read it today in a newspaper. Some Pasthun leaders in the East control some parts, while the combined groupings of the NA actually control less than half of the country. And that half of the country is then split into half a dozen or more ethnic fiefdoms led by Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Dari and Hazara leaders. The Taliban remain the single largest fighting force in Afghanistan, and are now seizing back the most strategic heights of the country, and couterattacking ferouciously.
On the BBC website and the CNN websites the maps all have opposition controlled territory mentioned.
But they never break it down to NA territory.
So it gives a false impression to the western people.
The taliban have 35%.
And i am guessing but aroun 25% would be controlled by non-NA forces.
Like the Pathan and others in the south west and the areas south of and east of Kabul.
The NA aren't doing a really good job at all.
The Taliban are doing relatively better seeing that they are fighting against the US airstrikes.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
On top pf that Al-Qaida has become the single largest force directly engaging against US interests. The people of Al-Qaida does not have any political affiliation with any country or any person, unlike NA dominated by ethnic groups driven by their ulterior motives. The sole purpose of Al-Qaida is to fight against oppression of all Muslims, and their most lethal weapon is their faith which no other force will ever be able to match.
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Originally posted by CM:
**On the BBC website and the CNN websites the maps all have opposition controlled territory mentioned.
But they never break it down to NA territory.
So it gives a false impression to the western people.
The taliban have 35%.
And i am guessing but aroun 25% would be controlled by non-NA forces.
Like the Pathan and others in the south west and the areas south of and east of Kabul.
The NA aren't doing a really good job at all.
The Taliban are doing relatively better seeing that they are fighting against the US airstrikes.
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Yes well analysed. It is a myth that the NA control most of Afghanistan because they don't, and there is not much of the NA left as the days go by.
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Originally posted by Abdullah k:
*The sole purpose of Al-Qaida is to fight against oppression of all Muslims, and their most lethal weapon is their faith which no other force will ever be able to match. *
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Nothing truer has been said.
But i don't agree with them attacking innocents.
Cole ok.
Military installations ok.
WTC not ok.
If they did it.
Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
Now there are reports coming in that Shia Hazara fighters have switched sides from the NA to the Taliban. If true that would be a devestating move that could see the beginning of the end of the NA as a 'united' force.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,2001530006-2001543098,00.html
FRIDAY NOVEMBER 23 2001
**Taleban draws Alliance blood as US stays away **
FROM JANINE DI GIOVANNI IN MAIDAN SHAR
FIERCE fighting broke out yesterday between the Northern Alliance and a small pocket of Taleban forces holed up in the mountains 20 miles west of Kabul…
…Another deadline for Ghullar Mohammed, the Taleban commander, to defect with his men was set for 2pm. A few minutes past the hour the whine and screech of a rocket gave the Alliance their answer. When fighting ceased, craters were carved into the earth and six people were wounded, two soldiers dead.
After hours of intense fighting, exhausted, hungry and thirsty Alliance soldiers zigzagged down the side of the mountain in retreat — their first significant defeat since the liberation of Kabul. No one, least of all the Alliance, expected the ferocity of the Taleban. They are aided by 300 Arab fighters who have refused to give up and Ghullar Mohammed, whom Alliance soldiers call a “Butcher”. In truth the Alliance could not scale the mountains to reach the enemy on the opposite ridge near the village of Narefulot without getting showered with fire.
“We need the Americans to bomb, we cannot take it alone,” said Abdul Wahid, a soldier. The Alliance forces, in retreat, were in a state of chaos. And they were angry.
Soldiers who went to gather the dead came back shattered. One had his combat jacket covered in blood. “Do you see this blood?” he asked. “This is the blood of my friend.”
But the overriding image, the symbol of the battle, was that of the Alliance soldiers fleeing the fighting down a hill, like ants racing to their nest.
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Like some of us said some time ago, it isn’t over till it’s over.
This be a bad day to be NA!
Cool that be rhyming - how ye be spelling that???
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Ours is not to reason why;
Ours is but to do and die
After hours of intense fighting, exhausted, hungry and thirsty Alliance soldiers zigzagged down the side of the mountain in retreat — their first significant defeat since the liberation of Kabul. No one, least of all the Alliance, expected the ferocity of the Taleban
This is the first time the NA has really got into a firefight with the Taliban head to head, and they lost badly. Imagine what will happen when the Taliban fight back in other places as well?
haha malik tha NA are gonna hear the music now..its the time the mountains are gonna roar, now its thr turn to play the game..
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Originally posted by Judge^MentuLL:
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...Another deadline for Ghullar Mohammed, the Taleban commander, to defect with his men was set for 2pm. A few minutes past the hour the whine and screech of a rocket gave the Alliance their answer. When fighting ceased, craters were carved into the earth and six people were wounded, two soldiers dead.
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LOL!.....Negotiations afghanistan style!
I don't know why they all come up with 15%. Crappy sources.
“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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