Explosions Rock Bali!

What a reaction! As Indonesian economy now goes down the toilet, Australia and NewZealand erect barriers to their countries for anything ‘muslim’, and Europe get wary the statement that is going to win confidence: “US and its Allies” are behind the bombing. I guess that whether anyone likes it or not, the extremist among the muslims are absolutely determined to make it into a global war between the muslims and the non-muslims (I have no clue why I keep reading that China is going to be on the side of the muslims). Best of Luck guys.


http://www.nandotimes.com/world/story/575667p-4491446c.html

Abu Bakar Bashir, a Muslim cleric accused of leading Jemaah Islamiyah, strongly denied involvement.

“All the allegations against me are groundless. I challenge them to prove anything,” he said.

“I suspect that the bombing was engineered by the United States and its allies to justify allegations that Indonesia is a base for terrorists,” he told AP in a telephone interview from Solo, a city in central Java, where he runs an Islamic boarding school.

Bali has been the centerpiece of Indonesia’s thriving tourist industry. The attack sent the currency and stock market plunging. A decline of visitors could cause devastating repercussions for Indonesia.

Al-Qaida thugs blamed for attacks.

Source provided by OldLahori tells different story!

yeah but the source in Old Lahori's post is the assumptions of a shady character who is himself under suspicion to links with shady groups.

I cant stand how some of these fanatics can just mess it up for the rest of us who just want to live our lives peacefully. It is in their interest to create a big stand off since that is the only way they see themselves or their brethren of similar ideologies taking power in that region.

what a bunch of jackasses ..these fanatics. enough with them..dig em out hunt em downa nd lets finish this topi drama.

Agreed. There needs to be a global movement of ‘sensible muslims’, with the objective of isolating these fundo’s and winning back the moral stakes. We don’t know for sure who caused this latest outrage, but on a more general point the global muslim community has got to face and tackle the menace of fanaticism within its ranks. If we remain passive they will, by deliberate intent, be the cause of a disproportionate response from those they threaten, leading to a further spiral of mutual hate and destruction.

This ‘reformation of muslim thought’ has started - but it’s in pockets and not really vocal enough to make an impact. Here’s an interesting article on this topic by a well known muslim commentator in the UK, Ms Yasmin Alibhai-Brown:

http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/yasmin_alibhai_brown/story.jsp?story=331673

Sad... Reminds me of how they bombed the poor Kenyans...

Sick. Whoever did it, what ever did they hope to achieve? 187 innocent lives perished, countless more of their kin forever traumatized. If it is al Qaeeda that has committed this, then they have helped to drag Islam's name further into the mud. No religion, ideology, or perceived righteous vengeance justifies this.

US accused of involvement in Bali bombings!

Australia’s call for a shadowy Islamic group to be branded a terrorist organisation put the man said to be its main leader, Abu Bakar Ba’asyir, centre-stage

Indonesia has said it does not have evidence against Mr Ba’asyir to arrest him.

Mr Ba’asyir has strongly denied having anything to do with the bombs in Bali and condemned them as a “brutal act”.

In an interview with the BBC in the central Java city of Solo where he runs an Islamic boarding school, he rejected allegations that he had links with al-Qaeda and denied that al-Qaeda was to blame, saying that he did not think the group even existed in Indonesia.

Instead he said there were a number of factors pointing to American involvement in the bombing.

**The kind of explosive used was not available in Indonesia, he said; there were very few Americans among the casualties; and the attack followed a series of warnings from Washington for Americans not to go to Indonesia, he said. **

Mr Ba’asyir has spent decades teaching Islam. His consistent theme has been that Islamic communities are the necessary pre-condition for setting up an Islamic state.

damn american terrorists need to be found and rooted out :mad2:

This one is a shock.

**How trail leads to Pakistan **
By Robert Fox, Defence Correspondent, Evening Standard
The questioning of a group of Pakistanis in connection with the Bali bombing emphasises the powerful links between Pakistani terror groups and al Qaeda, since many of Osama bin Laden’s commanders were driven into Pakistan from Afghanistan at the end of last year.

Those Pakistanis were released after questioning.

As for the trail leading to Pakistan, you might just as well say the trail leads to everywhere else as US officials have already said that Al Qaida operates in over 50 countries.

Judging by the vilence in IOK, I'd say the trail leads to India as much as anywhere else.

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*Originally posted by Judge^MentuLL: *
Those Pakistanis were released after questioning.

As for the trail leading to Pakistan, you might just as well say the trail leads to everywhere else as US officials have already said that Al Qaida operates in over 50 countries.

Judging by the vilence in IOK, I'd say the trail leads to India as much as anywhere else.
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No doubt they were relased after questioning. The point here is Pakistanis are under scrutiny whether they r involved or not. Regarding your point on trail leading to India, please elaborate and back up/conclude your statement logically.

oh bother.

Sydney’s Muslims fear revenge attacks, BBC, 16 October 2002, Dominic Hughes

In the wake of the Bali bombing there has already been one attack on an Islamic school in Sydney - members of Australia’s Muslim community do not expect it to be the last. In the early hours of Tuesday, a group of men climbed over a fence into the grounds of the school in western Sydney and started smashing windows.

They then attacked the home of the Imam, Ahmed Shabbir. Police are not treating the incident as racially motivated, but Muslims in Australia draw a different conclusion.

In the wake of the 11 September attacks in the United States last year, the Holland Park Mosque in suburban Brisbane was badly damaged in an arson attack. A private security company has now been called in to ensure no repeat performance.

The Mosque’s Imam, Uzair Akbar, says emotions are running high, and there is lots of anger. “It’s there in the back of my mind that it might happen again. I’d like to think it won’t, but I thought that last year and my mosque was burned down,” he says. “The message to our Australian brothers and sisters is that we too condemn this terrible attack, our religion does not respect the taking of innocent blood.”

But after 11 September, even Muslims on the streets found themselves targeted for abuse. Many Muslim women wearing veils reported verbal and in some cases physical assaults.

“We’re bracing ourselves for more attacks,” says Hassan Moussa, chairman of the Australian Arabic Communities Council. "Every time something like this happens, we’re blamed. Enough is enough. We’ve taken lots of batterings in the last few months, but we go on with our daily lives like ordinary community members.

“Why should our loyalty and commitment to Australia be called into question?”

There are some Australians who have never been comfortable with Muslims in Australia. One reader in a letter to the editor, published in Tuesday’s Sydney Daily Telegraph, expressed feelings that a sizeable number of Australians seem to share: “It’s about time we woke up to the fact that the problem of world terrorism today lies firmly rooted in Islam,” the letter read.

The uncomfortable fact is that racism lurks just below the surface in Australia. For some, the Bali attack is all the justification they need to give vent to their prejudice. Political leaders have tried to calm the atmosphere. The Queensland Premier Peter Beattie has said: “There’s no point in picking on anyone on the basis of their religion or colour or creed.”

Prime Minister John Howard has also described Islam as a religion of peace and rejected the notion of the attackers acting for a religious cause. But Hassan Moussa from the Australian Arabic Communities Council says the community feels resigned. “Some people don’t like to mention they are Muslims. They’re fearful about the repercussions if they reveal they are Muslim, for their job, for their business, even in their local neighbourhood,” he says.

“We feel traumatised [by events in Bali] like every citizen should do. It’s a minority of fundamentalists, and the whole community is blamed for it.”

That’s terrible. Let’s hope that it doesn’t get out of control. Aussies are not known for their coolheadedness. The country is borderline bigot.

yeah we sent all criminals to one continent, what did ya expect eh? :)

Sorry state of affairs. How can anyone take terrorism so lightly? Read the following article in Dawn. I am sure people from FBI will soon give the author a decent dressing for writing this :
http://www.dawn.com/2002/10/17/op.htm#4
Media phenomenon
…Terrorism is a much more bearable phenomenon. Over the past twelve months, excluding the single and perhaps never to be repeated mega-strike that killed over 3,000 people in New York and Washington, the monthly American death toll from terrorism has been less than three. Even if Islamist or other terrorist groups could pull off a 9/11-scale strike on American soil every year, that would still add up to an average of only 250 US deaths a month, or one in a million.

The average American’s likelihood of being killed by a terrorist would still be comparable, at worst, to their chances of winning a lottery. …
The only antidote to this terrorist strategy is a clear focus on exactly how weak the terrorists are and how little damage they do. It goes against every instinct of human sympathy and every rule of practical politics to say so, but the horror in Bali was statistically and strategically insignificant. Good police and intelligence work will reduce the number of such incidents, but it will never eliminate them. They are part of the cost of living in a complicated and interconnected world.

This is so awful.

Let’s also remember that, how we feel upon reading these types of stories, is how Christians must feel when there is an attack against Christian minorities in Muslim countries. i don’t think humanity will ever learn.

Mosque attacks leave Muslims fearing backlash, David Fickling
18 October 2002, The Guardian

Two separate attacks on Australian mosques this week have left the country’s 500,000-strong Muslim community living in fear of a backlash as the death toll from the bombing in Bali rises. Keysar Trad, of Sydney’s Lebanese Muslim Association, said that the tone of public rhetoric was helping to inflame anti-Muslim feeling. “We have been hearing some very inflammatory comments on talkback radio and reading some letters in the newspapers which are dangerous to Australian society. It only takes one redneck to ruin things.”

After September 11 last year Brisbane’s Kuraby mosque was set on fire. Terry Hanlon was found guilty of the arson by a Brisbane court two days before the Bali blast. The small number of Australian deaths in the September 11 attacks, however, has meant that since then anti-Muslim sentiment in the country has mostly been focused on the rape trial of a gang of Lebanese-Australian youths from south Sydney. The youths were given sentences of up to 55 years in prison for a series of rapes with racial overtones during 2000.

“I think it’s getting more serious now because there is a cumulative effect,” said Mr Trad. “The problem is that even if it goes away now it festers in the background.” Shabbir Ahmed, imam of Sydney’s Rooty Hill mosque, was in his house in the building’s compound at just after 3am on Tuesday when a group broke in and smashed windows and plasterboard walls. “We were in deep sleep when they started,” he said. “We did not go out in case they killed us or injured us. My kids were screaming. I was shouting that the police were coming, but they did not reply.” He said that his family had spent two nights in a friend’s house, and that his children were still scared of returning home.

In Melbourne, the Umma Islamic Centre suffered a similar attack in the early hours of Wednesday. Three petrol bombs were thrown through the windows of the mosque, although only one remained lit and that was extinguished by a worshipper arriving for dawn prayers. “There was a note saying that they would be back, so now we have people making a lookout,” said the centre’s secretary Mohammad Hanif. “We should not need to do this. This is a place of worship.”

Police are treating neither event as racially motivated, but admit that there have been concerns about revenge attacks after the Bali bombing and say they have set up extra patrols in vulnerable areas.

Like it’s been stated only a gazillion times on this board, when “the others” do it it’s terrorism; when “we” do it, it’s “fighting for freedom and justice”.

…for almost 40 years, Australian governments have played a significant role in colluding with state terrorism in neighbouring Indonesia. In 1965, the then prime minister Harold Holt joked about the mass murder that accompanied the seizure of power by General Suharto, the west’s man. “With 500,000 to a million communist sympathisers knocked off,” he said, “I think it’s safe to assume a reorientation has taken place.”

During the long years of Suharto’s dictatorship, which was shored up by western capital, governments and the World Bank, state terrorism on a breathtaking scale was ignored. Australian prime ministers were far too busy lauding the “investment partnership” in resource-rich Indonesia. Suharto’s annexation of East Timor, which cost the lives of a third of the population, was described by the foreign minister Gareth Evans as “irreversible”. As Evans succinctly put it, there were “zillions” of dollars to be made from the oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea.

…] Research by Edward Herman and Gerry O’Sullivan covering the period since 1965 points to the killing of several thousand people by non-state terrorists, such as al-Qaeda, compared with 2.5 million civilians killed by state-sponsored terrorism. These include the violence of the South African apartheid regime, the Suharto regime in Indonesia, the “Contras” in Nicaragua and other American-backed terrorist states.

…] St Augustine tells the story of a conversation between Alexander the Great and a pirate he captured. “How dare you molest the seas?” asks Alexander. “How dare you molest the whole world?” the pirate replies. “Because I do it with a little ship only, I am called a thief. You, doing it with a great navy, are called an emperor.”

Australian governments have colluded with state terrorism in Indonesia, John Pilger, The New Statesman, 17 October 2002