Do you speak as a Muslim or do you speak as a human?
If you speak as a Muslim, I can believe you…
But if you speak as a human, then I am sorry…I don’t trust humans…It was humans who killed thousands of Muslims in Bosnia, in Kashmir, in Kosova, in Palestine, and are currently killing in Iraq and Afghanistan in the millions…Like cutting grass…
And those humans that shouted HUMANITY the loudest did the most killings…Hitler wanted to make the world a better place according to the thinking of the humans and millions died…Stalin wanted to make the world a better place according to human thinking and millions died…Today, the United States is trying to make the world a better place according to human thinking and millions have died and millions more will die…
So I don’t buy that humanity crap coming from a human…It’s all BS…And as a Muslim, I fully oppose this BS that continues to kill, blow up, destroy, capture, invade, occupy and imprison others in the name of humanity…
I don’t want that humanity…I have no pity for such a humanity…
But if you speak as a human, then I am sorry...I don't trust humans...It was humans who killed thousands of Muslims in Bosnia, in Kashmir, in Kosova, in Palestine, and are currently killing in Iraq and Afghanistan in the millions...Like cutting grass...
And those humans that shouted HUMANITY the loudest did the most killings...Hitler wanted to make the world a better place according to the thinking of the humans and millions died...Stalin wanted to make the world a better place according to human thinking and millions died...Today, the United States is trying to make the world a better place according to human thinking and millions have died and millions more will die...
So I don't buy that humanity crap coming from a human...It's all BS...And as a Muslim, I fully oppose this BS that continues to kill, blow up, destroy, capture, invade, occupy and imprison others in the name of humanity...
I don't want that humanity...I have no pity for such a humanity...
well we all have our point of views and opinions,
and i respectfully disagree with yours,
world is not a perfect place, why are these things happening around the Muslim world today, its because we let them happen, there are three sides to each story and we only agree to one side our side.
you also have to realize that its because of the few bad apples ie. AL qaida, taliban or people who follow there belief system that are the root cause of this problem, there voices are louder then the rest because the moderates who are in majority don't speak out. think for a second what if there was a proper govt. in all Muslim countries who wanted peace and harmony with the rest of the world. the only sticking issue is that we as Muslims are complainers, we always say oh look whats happening to us, oh look we are being killed and murdered, but we never try to figure out why.
American govt. did the best PR campaign after sept 11, they got people emotional so that they (the American people) wont ask why sept 11 happened, they controlled the media. and then went after the Muslim world.
Yes there should be a united Muslim front but not the type that wants war and conflict, we need a moderate united Muslim front who is willing to trade and be at peace with the world,
World is run by money, if you think that its run by religion or crusaders or some big cover up then in my opinion you are mistaken.
world is not a perfect place, why are these things happening around the Muslim world today, its because we let them happen, there are three sides to each story and we only agree to one side our side.
you also have to realize that its because of the few bad apples ie. AL qaida, taliban or people who follow there belief system that are the root cause of this problem, there voices are louder then the rest because the moderates who are in majority don't speak out. think for a second what if there was a proper govt. in all Muslim countries who wanted peace and harmony with the rest of the world. the only sticking issue is that we as Muslims are complainers, we always say oh look whats happening to us, oh look we are being killed and murdered, but we never try to figure out why.
American govt. did the best PR campaign after sept 11, they got people emotional so that they (the American people) wont ask why sept 11 happened, they controlled the media. and then went after the Muslim world.
Yes there should be a united Muslim front but not the type that wants war and conflict, we need a moderate united Muslim front who is willing to trade and be at peace with the world,
World is run by money, if you think that its run by religion or crusaders or some big cover up then in my opinion you are mistaken.
Great Answer..!!!! Im glad to see that you r not extremist like your bro "Lajawab" who believe just in Islam n baaki all are aaltu faaltu for him. You haven't lost your patience like him, he is not trying to get why all these things r happening who r behind all these but you have well explained. Ground reality is what you have spoken. Just coz of few extermist muslim terrorists other innocent muslims r facing lots of problems and they do this just for Money. They have spoiled "Islamic" religion.
You want economical strength for Muslims, a good PR strategy, e.t.c. e.t.c…Do you think the USA will allow you to have leaders that look to the interests of the Muslims first? Hamas is a democratically elected government…Just because its ideals do not suit the USA it is now sanctioned and deprived of funds…
If the government in Palestine was something like what AntiOBL or M2K envision, who then would speak out for the rights of the Palestinians?
In order to have a good infrastructure for Muslims, you need Muslim nations…Would you have any nations left if every leader placed there was doing the bidding of the west?
No man…American influence must first be neutralized in order for Muslims to prosper…Otherwise you’d have other nations like Iraq falling prey to imperialism…Do as you are told, or face death…Who is going to fight this gangsterist terrorism? Palestinem taken, Iraq taken, Afghanistan taken…I mean, how many nations must fall for Muslims to wake up and realize what;s going on?
Where has lajjo stated that da rest are "altu faaltu" according to u...??? R u close enough with him to state that he has lost patience...??? The word Xtremist was invented by people like u, u think this is all for money...??? Look at da west man, they have all da luxuries of life, but they continue to invade poor countries like afghanistan, where is da money in that. Its all vested interests. Taliban was a government, which couldnt resist da american army, & ur saying that they are Xtremists doing it for da cause of money. Like ur nick suggests, ur hollow indeed, upstairs that is.
If the government in Palestine was something like what AntiOBL or M2K envision, who then would speak out for the rights of the Palestinians?
In order to have a good infrastructure for Muslims, you need Muslim nations...Would you have any nations left if every leader placed there was doing the bidding of the west?
No man...American influence must first be neutralized in order for Muslims to prosper...Otherwise you'd have other nations like Iraq falling prey to imperialism...Do as you are told, or face death...Who is going to fight this gangsterist terrorism? Palestinem taken, Iraq taken, Afghanistan taken...I mean, how many nations must fall for Muslims to wake up and realize what;s going on?
:Dunfortunately Hamas is a government looking for war....
it's not by spreading hate and violence that muslim countries will get their point...
Iraki leader Saddam Hussein was for violence, invaded koweit, gased kurdistan, tortured shias, etc...look what happened: irak is now in deeper chaos!
same with Lebanon! they allowed violence and hate to spread, look what happened!
and to UK! brits allowed extrem muslims to spread hate and violence, and then bombings happened...
violence feeds violence, vendetta is the way to never get out of violence
laws should be strong enough to forbid any message of violence, especially ethnic/racial/religious hate; but at the same time tolerant enough to promote peace and harmony
First of all you clear me why ru looking so "Dukhi" ??? if you think that what you r speaking is right then you should be happy not Dukhi but i can definetly tell you something is eating you from inside like hell coz your country is losing her reputation around the world. Why Americans r sukhi to whom you hate coz they use their mind they r hardworking, you should learn something about American History, just 100 years back what was the condition in America ??? and now what it is and what we've achieved in last 60 years compare to America you tell me??. Now Pakistani Muslims r fighting against Talibani muslims and killing each other that also coz of Americans you can see with your own eyes what is going on there. If you think that your Army should not fight against Talibanis coz they r also muslims then why you people dont force your govt. to stop fight against them and what do you think who is controlling everyone Musharaf ??? nope those r also Americans and what will America get from Afghanistan you tell me ??? is there any resource for Americans in dessert ??? or will make playground in Tora Bora nope, they r fighting against them coz terrorists had killed their so many innocent people. A country who is not confident itself where there is no Unity, some exterimists who just run after Islam and hate westerns their cultures like hell and dont want to move with them, they cant do anything, they can just spoil the country. If not today but tommorow you will have to definetly move forward with whole world including western countries like America, if you want to see progress in your country then it should be done. If you hate America and westerns countries so much then you should show your aggression to your Govt. not here. You know everything from inside reality of ground but you dont dare to admit it. Its not your fault too coz its human nature no one wants to see his own country to this position, people become aggressive when someone says anything wrong about to their country but there should be some guts inside us to admit the reality.
And about your Lajjo what he said i think you didn't read it properly. He said
"If you speak as a Muslim, I can believe you...
But if you speak as a human, then I am sorry...I don't trust humans"
Hitler, Stalin, Ariel Sharon. Mussolini and George Bush are humans…They are not Muslims and they have killed millions…
I know, like a well trained good Muslim you will throw Osama Bin Laden or Zarqawi in my face…
Difference is, OBL never went for genocide…He attacked USA to get a message across…Hitler, Stalin, Ariel Sharon, Mussolini and George Bush are mass murderers who killed and kill regardless of age, colour, sex and creed anyone who opposed or opposes them…
So if you are talking about them as humans, you are welcome to be like them…I’d just rather be a Muslim above all else…
The difference between what you and reality is that 3,000 Muslims who were burnt in Gujrat, the genocide that happened in Bosnia, in Kashmir, that happens in Palestine, were carried out with the complicity of western nations…Why? Because as they promise to intercede for others, they never intercede on behalf of the Muslims…
When did this terrorism start?
For more than 60 years Muslims have been a target of persecution from Palestine to even in their own lands from the leaders that US has put into place by arming and supplying them funds…
For 60 years, the Muslims of Palestine have been silent victims, and no refuge for them from Zionist atrocities…After that, everywhere a Muslim was killed, there was utter silence…You name it and the west has been silence…
It is obvious, that the only help that Muslims can get is from other Muslims only…For that we need to destroy our corrupt leaders that are complicit killers with the west and put in leaders that look for the interest of Muslims and safeguard their security and safety…
Not like Bosnia where a well equipped army of Serbians was let loose upon the unarmed Muslim Bosnian farmers while all outside help was blockaded by the US while the Serbians butchered entire towns overnight…In Kosovo and other neighouring towns, entire towns were massacred…In one town alone 15,000 people were killed in one night while all outside help was stopped from reaching them…Rape camp had opened up where thousands of girls as young as 5 and 4 year old were sent to be raped by Serbians…A British reporter and member of parliament when she visited the rape camps, saw a 6 year old girl whose vocal chords had been ruptured because she was so brutally orally raped…Concetration camps had opened up…All while the western forces were there…
You want we should ally ourselves with such people? WHo would rather see you slaughtered rather than send help or allow help to reach you?
God will reckon with them with very unfriendly terms, but before that, Muslims must look out for Muslims…Thousands of Kashmiris have died, yet the UN for the past 60 years could not come up with a solution…Israel has invaded Lebanon, and no threats are given to Israel…
Saddam invaded Kuwait, and in three days a resolution was passed and war plans were underway…Because Kuwait had oil…
Good question - Those wretched ones at the helm of power in the Muslims countries are busy & slavishly carrying out their master’s agenda. Thus they have not time for helping fellow Muslims (neither have they any interest in doing so - do not want to upset the master)
A better question is where are the Islamic nations to help fellow Muslims?
Not the nations, the Islamic leaders...actually. They are under the controlled supervision of US, spend their fortune investing in US, get humiliated, yet they keep coming back again & again. U really think that the violence was stopped. I pity u for thinking like that, it was over, after the people were really eliminated. Correct ur facts before asking questions. Newsweek & Time is not the only answer to our queries.
don't blame the leaders, if you want a new government all you have to do is rise up, look what they did to soviet union, you think that was a small task. don't blame your weakness or laziness on your govt. or west. if you want a change then go get it.
Ye koi bazaar main thelay par lagay huay ek darjan kelay nahin hain, jo jub chahay lay liye. I know my vote counts, & I did vote for someone who made a radical change initially, & supported the cause of Kashmiris in a very aggressive manner, but lil did I know that he would eventually succumb to US & give in afghanistan.
Muslim is not in complain mode danial, muslim is in agony mode right now, there is just no great Xpectation from any good muslim leader. That is what the majority of these arabs want, they are basically in ignore mode.
Muslim is not in complain mode danial, muslim is in agony mode right now, there is just no great Xpectation from any good muslim leader. That is what the majority of these arabs want, they are basically in ignore mode.
And me, Im in total flip mode.
Change your leader. learn from the west, remember the velvet revolution of Ukraine, they had a strong leader but people changed him,
why isn't it happening in Pakistan, because over all the majority of the people are not religious fanatics (idiots). people are more worried about eating and putting food on there family's table then listening to some idiot mullah tell them to go kill shia's or kill themselves in the name of religion.
take Religion Forum for example. there are 100's if not 1000's registered users on this website, but less then 20 or so fanatics are the one running and modding the religion forum, and as in the rest of the Muslim world moderates are leaving em alone to bark off there steam and when they are tired they will shut up.
time has come to face the facts, either put up or shut up.
as ever, your posts are Lajawab