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As if I was not getting enough warnings already, here is another one in my news in-box.

Monday April 3, 4:45 PM

Do not underestimate hell, evangelists warn

By Kate Kelland

LONDON (Reuters) - Sinners who reject God and are condemned to hell should not be led to
believe they will escape eternal punishment and get away with simple annihilation, evangelicals have
warned.

Concerned that some Christians prefer to see hell as a place where sinners are wiped out rather than
where they must endure eternal flames and devils’ pitchforks, the Evangelical Alliance has urged
churches to make sure sinners know what they are in for.

“Until someone better than Jesus returns from death with an assurance that hell is all a hoax, the
Church would fail to be loving if we didn’t talk about it as a reality,” said reverend Joel Edwards, the
general director of the Alliance, on Monday.

Edwards’s group has produced a 150-page report entitled “The Nature of Hell” to try to set the record straight.

The Alliance says it represents more than one million Christians across Britain in 30 denominations.

DEVIL’S DOMAIN

The report says that while heaven is “the eternal reward of all who believe and follow” Jesus, there is a stark contrast for
those whom the Bible defines as “impenitent”, “unrighteous” or “wicked”.

“The hell that awaits such people is the domain of the devil and his hordes – a sphere of damnation, punishment, anguish
and destruction,” the report warned.

“Judgment is on the basis of sins committed in this life, and .. when that judgment is to hell, it cannot be repealed.”

The Church of England rejected the Evangelicals’ definition, saying its own view of hell would not be changed by the report.

“Hell is not eternal torment, it is the final and irrevocable choosing of that which is opposed to God,” a spokesman for the
Church of England told Reuters. “Annihilation might be a truer picture of damnation.”

He said this definition was set down by the Anglican Church’s doctrine commission and had the support of the Pope.

Pope John Paul, the leader of the world’s one billion Roman Catholics, last year defined hell not as a physical place of
punishment imposed by God, but a state of separation from God.

The Evangelical Alliance, whose members believe that Jesus is both God and man and that the Bible is the ultimate authority
in all that it addresses, said such “alternative explanations” were gaining too much currency.

It said Christians should stick with the Bible’s teaching that "hell is place of unending physical and psychological punishment
that awaits all who die without faith.

But Reverend Dr David Hilborn, the Alliance’s theological advisor, said the report should not be seen as purely negative.

“While recognising that hell is a clear and present danger for those who reject the gospel, the report stresses that this threat
is lifted for all those who by grace have faith in Jesus Christ,” he said.

Until someone better than Jesus returns from death with an assurance that hell is all a hoax, the
Church would fail to be loving if we didn’t talk about it as a reality," said reverend Joel Edwards, the
general director of the Alliance, on Monday.

Now how anyone can be better than Jesus(if Jesus is God)? and if he is even good enough, what the hell was he doing in hell, checking out how is hell???

CM

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CM:

That is bunch of crap. You need to ask Christians and their clergy or these evangalists to first prove that Jesus died and resurrected from dead. Please read my posts on this issue on this forum. I can prove that all Christians are liars.

Here is the PROOF!

**NO RESURRECTION "What is wrong with you (Christian) folk?" Jesus is telling you in the most unambiguous language that he is not a SPIRIT - not spiritualised, not a RESURRECTED person, and yet the whole Christian world believes tht he was RESURRECTED, i.e. SPIRITUALISED. Who is lying, you or him ? How is it possible that you (each and every Christian) are reading your Holy Bible in your own mother tongue and yet EACH AND EVERY LANGUAGE GROUP IS MADE TO UNDERSTAND THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY ARE READING ? If you read the Bible, say, in Hebrew, and pleaded that you did not understand what you were reading, I can appreciate this fact. If you read it in Greek and pleaded that you did not really understand the imp- lications of what was written; I can appreciate this fact also. But the anomaly is that you are reading the Book, each and every one, IN HIS OWN MOTHER TONGUE, and are trained to understand the OPPOSITE of what is written. How have you been brainwashed, or rather, how have you been "Programmed," as we Americans would put it. "Please tell me as to who is lying ? Is it Jesus or a thousand million Christians of the world? Jesus says, "NO!" to his being resurrected, and all of you say "YES!" Whom are we Muslims to believe, Jesus or his so called disciples ?

We Muslims would rather believe the Master. Did he not say, "The desciple is not greater than the Master." (matthew 10:24) **

Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"

[This message has been edited by Bubble Buster (edited April 03, 2000).]

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Chann Yar, please don’t scare us. Life is hard as it is. Look at Johny, he really is Elvis.

Bubbly Brother, how was Jesus born? Who was his papa? Was he conceived in Marry the way people believe he was? I would say that it is all a lie. One needs both male and a female to make babies (test tube method was not available 2000 years ago). No matter whether he was God or son of God, I think he was a nice man who preached love and selflessness. You don’t find many people like him, the only one who has ever come close is perhaps Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

Walakumassalam, my Brother.

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Right! Jesus, Mirza ghulam ahamd and these days ZZ are main preachers of love and things like.

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NYAhmadi, oh you are good, really good, man. But come on, Brother ain't gonna cut it. You know my take on this and I won't take it from anybody.

And BTW, looti la diti ou na... Nai ria gaya taray koN vee.

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::::: Oh Yes CM pa jee, we are already scared for the rest of our lives, itna na draoo plzz, ooooo its so bloodcurdling. LOL

::::: Ahmadi bro, is it possible we can debate on this issue, [Jesus’ fatherless birth VS natural conception]?

I have researched on this particular rare benign ovarian tumor “ärrhenoblastoma” which can produce sperms and ova at the same time, and given the circumstance, the conception is quite possible. Cases are on record of children having been born with out father (“Virgin Birth” and “Anomalies and Curosities of medicine” by WB Saunders). If we dismiss all the possibilities, then Jesus’ birth will have to regarded (God Forbid) as illegitimate.

Waisay bahi, there is no importance in such a birth, physically speaking; On the other hand there was a great warning for Jews from Allah in his fatherless birth, which they failed to understand. Viz;

**1)firstly, his fatherless birth points towards a very important hidden message that there is no MALE left among the Hebrew nation who can give birth to a Prophet. Meaning that they were so must degraded morally and ethically that there seems to be no one who can take the privilege of being a father of a prophet.

2) seconly, another indication to Jews was that, since they are quite unthankful to the blessings of Allah, the Phophethood is going to be transferred from house of Israel to House of Ishmael.**

Speaking of religion, I think everyone should always keep in mind the spiritual aspect of referred teachings rather than chasing physical and mortal aspects.

thats all for now... sorry CM I couldn’t read your post, will browse later...

[PS: Buddha and Ghengis Khans are two more famous fatherless examples]

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Zalim,

[quote]
I have researched on this particular rare benign ovarian tumor “ärrhenoblastoma” which can produce sperms and ova at the same time, and given the circumstance, the conception is quite possible. Cases are on record of children having been born with out father (“Virgin Birth” and “Anomalies and Curosities of medicine” by WB Saunders).
[/quote]

Interesting. Do you have any website links on the topic? Please provide if you do. Thanks.

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ROMAN yaar, I personally don’t know any particular web site, but you can find bunch of articles on “medline research data” (not pubsearch), and you can only access this engine through medical libraries.

Just to tell you in brief, it is a tumors of female pelvis, can be ovarian in origin. When present they can secrete both estrogen and testosterone at the same time, which may cause virilization (masculine features) in some cases. Some of them are heterogeneous in nature, meaning beside ovarian, other body tissues can also be found in it like tuft of hairs, teeth, eye, tongue, gut, even a functional testicular tissue can also be found along with normal ovarian follicles.

I found this very interesting and there is no doubt that a functional testicular tissue embedded in the ovary, undoubtedly can fertilize the ova released from the same ovary, provided the appropriate circumstances.

Nevertheless, these tumors are very rare, and mostly are non-cancerous in nature. Symptoms vary from person to person, the extent and the nature of tissue present.

Roman bahi, wanna know anything particular about that? please feel free.

Regarding Jesus, I don’t see any relevant motives of his fatherless birth, except what I have explained above - the message, which Allah wanted to convey to the Hebrew Nation.

In Torah, they have been promised that if they follow their teaching they will be blessed with prophets, since Allah knows that they would not stuck, He thus gave birth to their last prophet as an indication. Jesus also pointed out this issue as *“surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad” *, meaning that he came to fulfill the contract made by the Allah.

It is through the teachings of Promised Imam Mehdi, that we came to know the actual aspects of unsolved mysteries which up till now later days Muslim were also unable to decipher them and ran after the issue whether Marry was impregnated artificially or have some secret affair, or its a supernatural phenomenon. I say that’s all the same talk as Jews and Christians say about that pious lady.

Indeed Quran is a glorious book, we should not play around with it, and try to find spiritual aspects of its teachings rather waste all our efforts in find metaphysical perspectives.

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Thanks Zalim yaar, 'appreciate that.

I found the info very interesting. Would you happen to know how many such cases have happened throughout the history? Do Christian use it as a valid explanation for Christ's birth?

Thanks again man.