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haha… No way… Do some figuring out yourself.
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First thing first, I may request you to please address me as “he’, its not that I take pride in being male, its only that I wish that my virtual image reflects my actual gender…
Your query is very agnate, thought provoking but unfortunately you have not thought about it yourself, I will explain, in the course of my reply, as to how. My take to this comes from two sources that I can contemplate with. For half of the part I will have to brush the dust off of the history of human civilization, an evolution of human intellect. For rest of the half I will have to look into the shiny surface of my faith to find the answer because I can not find the answer in the pages of human civilization. One thing should also be kept in mind, before I try to explain my point of view, that religion is not something that will slew miles away from the common sense. All human beings are blessed with wisdom and intellect and religion is pathway to realize the truth and acceptance of Allah as Supreme Being within the capability of ‘common wisdom” that human are invested with.
You have pointed out my mentioning of “Neanderthal theory”, my dear friend, I will not go into the details of biological family “hominidae” to which man kind belong When I mention hominidae, I don’t intend to say that we , human, are descendants of Ape, for example chicken is the closet relative of dinosaur in terms of genetic geometry, it can’t be said that today’s chicken has evolved from dinosaur of the past. As I said earlier I don’t call it a biological evolution, I call it an intellectual evolution from hominidae to homo sapiens, and then finally to human beings. This evolution has been researched, books after books have been written, remains of homo sapiens have been studied, we have an abundance of undeniable evidence of the existence of “Neanderthals” or call it today’s human. So there is no point that I would narrate a story that has been put together by many and in much authentic language and details.
But, what the history of homo sapiens has to do with the birth of Adam (AS), and how does it prove that Adam (AS) was not the first human being, apparently I have no scientific knowledge about that, science , where it stands today, can not prove that he was or was not first Human being, so where is the missing link, let’s ponder together…..will you, my friend…..
Both Bible and Quran-e-Pak have talked about the creation of Adam (AS), from the dust of earth, it is also mentioned that both Adam and Eve stayed at the Garden of Eden .Where as Christian believe that Garden of Eden is on earth , we , Muslim, believe that it is in JANNAH, now where is this Jannah, have you ever thought about it. Allah (SWA) has pointed out number of times the existence of seven sky (heavens), I may also mention that number seven is metaphoric in nature, where ever it is used it means countless (May Allah forgive me if I am wrong). I can not imagine beyond what I can imagine, and I can imagine only what I can perceive with my senses, so I would imagine that Jannah is somewhere on any other Galaxy, may be another planet. Now the laws of physics that rule this planet may not be there, and there is a very strong possibility that they are not. You must have heard about time dilation. Why am I saying that…..do you know why?....let me explain
As I mentioned that Quran and Bible both talked about Adam(As) and Eve stayed at Garden of Eden before they were banished to earth, and I said we believe that this place is in Jannah. Both of these books don’t say for how long they stayed there. May be a year or two, may be more than that, how would you convert that time to the time on earth, one year may be equal one thousand year on earth, or may be one million year….does it make sense, do you get my point now……you don’t ….hmmm
My common sense when applied with my Faith tells me that while homo sapiens were going thorough the intellectual evolution, Hazrat Adam (AS) was going through another test at JAnnah, don’t forget that Human had already accepted the responsibility of serving as Allah’s naib on the earth…right.
Now let’s join all the dots together, Hazrat Adam (AS) was created by dust of earth as first human, and when I say Human I mean a human with the developed intellect that we have today, a brain that can understand language, that can remember, that can contemplate, and that can acquire knowledge to distinguish right from wrong. So he was first human , but he stayed at Jannah, as long as the Homo sapiens were intellectually developed enough to understand the message he was suppose to deliver. You challenged me with a very good question that if he were not the first human, how was he born, and to that I said ,in the beginning, that you have not thought about it yourself,. Why I said that, you know why….
You forgot that Hazrat Isa (AS) was born without any father, if Allah could do that in a world which was much too developed at that time, he could have done that for Hazrat-e-Adam (AS).
Finally, I must say that I may be entirely wrong, first part has been proved scientifically that we evolved from hominidae, rest of the part comes from my faith, my common sense, and my curiosity to read about it.
I pary to Allah that if I am wrong he would bless me with better understanding and he may forgive me
she said and I quote: "[Zobia] Prophet Adam was not the first human on earth, he was first prophet."
and then she comes up with all this neanderthal theory... so I was merely asking if she believes that Adam (AS) actually had mother and father since he was not the first human being :) which means he came in this world from the union of a man and a woman just like any one of us??
makes sense?
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Who said Allah (SWT) did not create us?, even Darwin didn’t not say that, or did he?. I may not know that, do educate me as to how?
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First thing first, I may request you to please address me as “he’, its not that I take pride in being male, its only that I wish that my virtual image reflects my actual gender…
I appologize but your writting style was shockingly resembling to someone and I mixed up due to that :)
Nope... On the contrary, That's exactly what I had in my mind when I put forward that question ... ayah which talked about similtude of Jesus in the eyes of Allah is like of Adam, who was not born from any mother and father...
Thanks for the explanation and as it is, it looks very logical but a theory it is - without any evidence... my evidence of special creation was from faith - and nothing less.. :)
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acc to my knowledge...that ape thing was "azab" sent on some nation
i is saw an monkee, mine father telled I are like those monkee. are i an azab for mine father.pls tell I
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I believe humans evolved but not necessarily the way Darwin concluded.
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everyones DNA coding is different
genes are used for classification-development of organism
I do not question that, I did not say every one has same coding, it is the four The base pairs of DNA are Adenine,
Guanine, Cytosine, and Thymine that are the same in all DNA.
And as you stated genes are used for classification of Organisms......seems we are stating the same facts.:)
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sorry....i said "period"......:)
i just don beleive in darwins theory.....its just good enough to learn n get good grades in the exams....n nothing else....
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Zobia Prophet Adam was not the first human on earth, he was first prophet.
as per islam, i dont think so. Prophet Adam was the first prophet/human. On a same note, does anybody know the timeline as to when Adam was created?
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Darwin's theory is a bit outdated,but i do believe in the most modern version of "evolution"..meaning i'm not a "creationist" (just like most fellow europeans)
So i think apes and humans have common ancestors
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^ are you muslim, if you dont mind me asking?
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sir, its a classification process you are talking about. i recommend you to get better understanding of Invertebrate Phylum's (e.g sponges, jellyfish, bugs), and vertebrate Phylum> fish (Pisces), birds (Aves), amphibians and mammals as well. dolphin is not a fish that is why it is mammal. :)
madam I recommend you to read and understand, and not just scan and react. u need to do two things before you post
1- understand what the person is saying
2- read information in the links provided
in post 26 i noted that doplhin was a mammal, and that my statement in previous post was misleading, i then proceeded to provide links which show DNA commanalities between humans and a host of other non plant life forms.
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if i am not wrong you said your genotype is XX!
first your definition of evolution is very good, but would you care to relate it back to the original topic to the theory of evolution pioneered by darwin.
well to back you up “hominidae to homo sapiens, and then finally to human beings” yes they didnt become human all o a sudden. as according to archeological analysis around 70,000 BC people first developed the ability to speak.
errr…and what about satan when he was asked to bow the first Ashraf-ul-Mahqlooq that is Hazrat Adam AS? and what about creation of Eve AS from his rib?
-why all men have laryngeal prominence (Adam’s apple)? (if i am not wrong it’s reference is also present in Quran)
-if you have seen Apple computers their logo is half bitten apple, because in symbolizes begining of mankind as after that Adam and eve were banished. (though neither Quran or bible talked about any fruit). if i am not wrong there is place in Srilanka where there is huge print of foot is there, Adam’s Peak. whereas i care the less about Christian idea of Garden of eden because their are so many hidden from human eye. e.g. she-dad’s jannah
whereas, jannah and seven heaven existence cant be metaphorical if we account Wakia-Miraj in our approach.
- traces of stone age are mostly found in Altamira (East of North of Spain) and Lascaux (i think its middle of France). whereas no history is mentioned in those caves to proves the theory. all those caves describing hunting techniques, or images of animals. so no history can back up the idea of human existence on earth, before adam and eve.
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me not molvi, nor me is zooligist 
but ur dad is seemz kafi phonchay howay as he knows i
would you care to reveal when was the last time you studied biology?
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Zobo bhai I is not surity but I am think that u flyed mine joke…schee..babu are sad
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ok, as you say so
so u want me to take you jokes seriously and write a book on them
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pls I are eprisheate that..schee
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if there is one theory which scientist community has gotton right then that would be Darwin's theory of evolution.
forget about apes i go even further and believe that we all evolved from a thumb nail sized fish. it makes all sense to me. you cant have humans dropped from the sky.
btw evolution hasnt stopped yet... we are still evolving and after a million years you will see a totally different human kind (assuming that we still exist then)