Evolution

is evolution wrong?
does it actually takes place?

According to Harun Yahya, Theory of Evolution is wrong, and tries to link it with Islam.
However, Dr. Israar says that Theory of Evolution does not contradict with Islam since no where in Quran it states otherwise. (which is true and i agree with this).

It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)”
And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45)”

Both of the above verses actually tend to support “theory of evolution”.

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I was hoping that there was a thread on this subject... :)

I read many many moons ago, that there were "Islamic scholors" who subscribed to a version of the evolution theory

i wanted to know who tehy were and what exacty they thought

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**darwins philosophy simply states :

all structures,for example, the eye evolved gradually.

but

fish for example cudnt have moved out of water and survived for enuff time like a few hundred years to evolve into land animal.

i remember a quote of darwin which was something to this effect:
''i shudder to think abt the 'eye' which cud not have gone thru the stages of evolution coz it wudnt have been functional in any other way'' ------- indicating he himself cudnt apply his theory of evolution on evolutionary process itself.[LOL]

some also say that wen his beloved daughter died he became delusional.

another school of thought associates darwin with the illuminati whose purpose is promoting evolution bcoz in essence it takes us away from the concept of god.

a bbc programme showed a hand appearing with an outstreched finger [GODS] and a lightening bolt emerges from the finger tip to strike the mud out of which a fully formed man appeared ----------------reason they gave was something like this : for ordinary natural elements to form into amino-acids they have to pass thru 40 different steps each requiring more than 20 conditions to provide the specific scientific condition for the change to take place; the possibility of which is infinite ie impossible to have happened.**

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Darwinian evolution (which states that random mutations happen over time) is clearly contradictory to islam.

Personally, with regard to animals, I see no reason why Allah SWT could not have shaped them over time through choosing what to mutate and when.

On the other hand, I do not believe evolution of man could have happened, given that hazrat Adam was the first man and he was created from clay.

As for : *"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)" * ; Personally I just see that as one of the miracles of the Quran in that it points out how the human body is mainly made of water. Something that would have seemed ridiculous to any man at the time and which only Allah SWT could have known.

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there is a thread on evolution that has done the rounds already just type evolution in Search!

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Or better yet, get a real education on the subject. Read an unbiased study.

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Isn’t it possible that Allah created the system of Darwinian Evolution?

Evolution is one of those titles/terms that have very different meanings for different people. And it’s a scientific topic not a religious one.

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There are various errors in Darwin Adopted theory of Pagan preached Evolution. However, saying that evolution does not exist i think is being biased.

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Assalamualikum,
Nonsense Dr.Israr doesnt believe in Darwins Theory of Evolution because in QUran and Hadis it is rightly stated that H Adam as was the first human being.Darwin hiumself in his letter to one of his friends said that "he did not believe that it was real but it made him understand abt humans much easily".

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:wsalam:
no one said, that Dr. Israar believes in Darwin theory of Evolution. However, Dr. Israar did acknowledge that evolution does not conflict with Islam and Creation.

Dr. Israar stated something on these lines: “Humans soul was put into an animal body”; where animal could have evolved. Humans = Animal + Soul according to Dr. Israar.

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Now in support to Creationism:

Located at living-fossils.com, we see that there are several fossils aging millions of years old of species that currently exist.
http://www.living-fossils.com/living_fossils_1_1.php

now i am confused :confused:

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no ahmadjee, Allah created man as human being and not some ape which slowly transformed into a human....
from the very first day, he was a fully functional man as we see today....

there was no such thing as an ape-man, its just these people's fantasies where it exists....

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Darwinism = Communism = STAY away from it.

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I dont see why Islam has to conflict with evolution. Evolution could very well occur in the system of this universe within the laws that Allah created for it. Allah is all knowing, all seeing, omnipotent and can cause anything to happen. Thus he can cause evolution to happen to.

The evolution of man however is where i believe islam disagree's with modern science.

While there's enough evidence of apes progressing up the evolutionary ladder to neanderthals and other semi intelligent beings, those are long gone.

Believe in evolution should not come with a prerequesite of believing that humans evolved from monkies. The same God that caused evolution to happen also made Adam and Hawa in the heavens and then placed them on earth as his representative.

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Armaghul, this basic principle of evolution does not revolve around ape-men, it’s only in posters and pictures that evolution is explained in that way.

Evolution’s basic principle is survival of the fittest and evolving to be fit in order to survive.

Based on this principle & sub priciples, along with the data of fossils discovered and the information regarding the condition of earth millions of years ago, it is postulated that man evolved from lower level species. Now, you can discredit that postulate pointing out the inconsistencies in deriving that postulate which can be about the condition of earth, the kinds of animals etc. but it will be a totally different thing to argue against the basic principle of evolution. Because survival of the fittest as a natural law is scientifically as valid as Newtonian laws.

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^ the point is that when u talk of evolution for survival u point out a flaw in Allah's creations....
its like saying Gd created them wrong but later on they improved themselves....
and hence u falsify Allah's attribute of being "ahsan al-khaliqeen"....
hence to believe that snakes once had legs and giraffes with shorter necks were wiped out and longer ones survived is all stupid....
or atleast that is not how Islam tells us to believe things....

if a jungle has some predators and some weaker animals, one may believe that the weaker species will eventually become extinct, but to believe that rabbits wud by time evolve into lions to fit in to the evolution for survival is not fit even for children's fairytales....

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Evolution does not imply that earlier creations were mistakes, but just that mutations caused changes – some that were beneficial and lead to greater survival/population and others that were not and eventually died away.

If such beings existed, they weren’t snakes or giraffes.

Where did you learn about evolution? This post makes your knowledge of it seems quite weak and baseless. The evolutionary theory does not imply that rabbits will eventually become lions.

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Actually the example of giraffe goes like this. Just like humans have different heights, similarly giraffes had different heights, but due to changes in climate the grass became scarce while the trees didn’t. Some example claim that even if the grass was still there, the longer neck giraffes could eat more. So, the giraffes that had longer necks (not abnormally longer but just longer) could feed themselves more, thus were healthier. This improved health increased their chance to reproduce and therefore passed on their longer neck genes. Eventually, after several thousands years the shorter neck gene faded away.

Unlike modern day human, animal social structure is claimed to be different where physical strength dictates its chances to procreate. This way, supposedly the genes of only the fittest goes forward. This isn’t true for all animals though.

Anyway, the point was the evolution is not as simple as some make it out to be. It’s not only about monkeys to human or fish to amphibians; it has a lot more to it.

Just out of curiosity though, if you believe that Allah creates us perfect than how do you explain the infant abnormalities?

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and how is Mr. Adnan Oktar qualified to expound for or against the Theory of Evolution?

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the same can be said for Darwin, Einstien, Newton.

Just like the later 2, Adnan Oktar has spend years studying the relationship of evolution and its effect on human kind. The reasons why Corrupted theory Evolution first introduced by Pagans then adapted by Darwin is so sacred to fascist Europe.

Here is a link to his books:
http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_book_index.htm