Every innovation is misguidance!

Pagluu · April 7, 2009, 9:06am

Re: Every innovation is misguidance!

here is a vid of discussion between Shia and Sunni scholars on the topic of tarawih for those who are interested:

Pagluu · April 7, 2009, 9:09am

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ALIJAN1001 · April 7, 2009, 9:48am

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ALIJAN1001 · April 7, 2009, 10:23am

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also you are wrong in travhee, prophet pbuh did not discourage such act he pbuh told i am affraid that such salah will frad on you, so, simply what ahlul sunna said that this is sunnat-e-moqida (if you perform you will get revard if not you will not get reward this is not necessary).

and lastly you wrong again, first you have to prove that ist to khalifa ra did anything against sunnat of our prophet pbuh then blame some one. hz. usman ra was much better than hz. ali ra at that era since hz. usman ra was also son of low of prophet pbuh he ra husband of two doughter of prophet pbuh, and he ra is in also ashra-e-mubashra.

Pagluu · April 7, 2009, 10:38am

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ALIJAN1001 · April 7, 2009, 11:42am

first of all you are offtopic, this thread related to ahlul bida not interner conflit of ahlul sunna.

better you should open a new thread and you will get answered there.

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bob_chasm · April 7, 2009, 12:24pm

Pakistani born British Soldier dies in Afghanistan

Every Innovation is Misguidance, Even if the People Think it is Good
By Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee
[al-Istiqaamah Issue No.3]

http://www.sunnahonline.com/

The people of knowledge, from the Companions, the taabi’een (their followers) and the Imaams of the Muslim who followed in their footsteps; whose excellence has been testified to, are all agreed upon the blameworthiness of bid’ah (innovations) and their evil, and that one should be free from innovations and those connected to it. There was no doubt about this from any of them, nor any withholding from that. So here are some authentic sayings reported from them, as examples of their living and clear actions. So if we take some examples from the level of the Companions, we find that which brings delight to the heart of one who seeks to follow his Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), whilst also refuting the opinion of the innovators:

’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) said, **‘‘Follow and do not innovate, for you have been given that which is sufficient [and every innovation is misguidance.]’’ **[2] ’Abdullaah Ibn ’Umar (radiyallaahu ’anhu) said, ‘‘Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people consider it to be something good.’’ [3]

And if we look at their actions we will see that they were in total agreement with their sayings: So ’Amr Ibn Salamah narrated: We used to sit at the door of ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood before the morning Prayer, so that when he would come out we would walk with him to the mosque. One day Aboo Moosaa al-Ash’aree came to us and said: Has Aboo ’Abdur-Rahmaan (i.e. Ibn Mas’ood) come out yet? We replied: No! So he sat down with us until he came out. When he came out we all stood along with him, so Aboo Moosaa said to him: O Aboo ’Abdur-Rahmaan! I have just seen something in the mosque which I deemed to be evil, but - and all praise is for Allaah - I did not see anything except good. Ibn Mas’ood inquired, ‘‘What did you see?’’ Aboo Moosaa replied: ‘If you live, you too will see it. In the mosque I saw people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say: repeat Allaahu Akbar (Allaah is greater) a hundred times. So they would repeat it a hundred times. Then he would say: repeat Laa ilaaha illallaah (There is none worthy of worship besides Allaah) a hundred times. So they would repeat it a hundred times. Then he would say: repeat Subhaanallaah (How free is Allaah from all imperfection) a hundred times. So they would say it a hundred times.’ Ibn Mas’ood then asked, ‘‘What did you say to them?’’ Aboo Moosaa said, ‘I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear your view, or what you declared.’ Then we went along with him, until he came to one of these circles and stood up and said: ‘‘What is this I see you doing?’’ They replied, ‘O Aboo ’Abdur-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh.’ He said to them, ‘‘Rather, count up your evil deeds. For I assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe be to you O Ummah of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam)! How quickly you head into destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and who are widespread. There are his clothes which have not yet decayed, and his bowl which is unbroken. By Him in whose Hand is my soul! Either you are upon a religion better guided than the Religion of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), or you are opening the doors of misguidance.’’ They said, ‘O Aboo ’Abdur-Rahmaan! By Allaah! We only intend good.’ He said to them, ‘‘How many there are who intend good, but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said to us, ‘‘A people will recite the Qur‘aan, but it will not pass beyond their throats.’’ By Allaah I do not know, but perhaps most of them are from you.’’ Then he left. ’Amr Ibn Salamah said, ‘We saw most of those people fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, alongside the Khawaarij.’ [4] So this excellent narration encompasses many great principles, which are not known except to those who follow the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), those who do not put anything before Allaah and His Messenger, but rather say, ‘We hear and we obey.’ So from the principles are:

Firstly: That the One who prescribed the ends, did not Forget to prescribe the means. So when Allaah prescribed For His servants the dhikr (remembrance of Allaah), He did not forget to prescribe the means and the way to do this. So Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) used to count the tasbeeh (glorification of Allaah) upon his right hand [5] and he said that they (i.e., the fingers) will he questioned and would speak. [6]

Secondly: That al-bid’atul-idhaafiyyah is misguidance. And al-bid’ayul-idhaafiyyah is that type of innovation which is based upon a proof with regards to its foundation, but it has no proof with regards to the manner or the form. That is why it is called idhaafiyyah (something added on). And this type of innovation is, from one angle, directly against correct guidance, and from another angle, it is in agreement with it. So these people did not say something which is kufr (disbelief), nor did they do something which was in itself evil, rather they were remembering Allaah - and this is something which is prescribed by Revelation. However, the manner in which they performed this action went against the guidance laid down by Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), and so the Companions opposed them and told them to count this amongst their evil actions instead.

Thirdly: Allaah - the Most Perfect, the Most High - is not to be worshipped, except by what He prescribes. So He is not to be worshipped according to desires, customs or innovations.

Fourthly: That innovations kill off the Sunnah. So this group of people innovated a new way of performing dhikr (remembering Allaah), which was not reported from Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). So in doing this, they killed off the guidance of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam). And this is a principle which, the Salafus-Saalih (Pious Predecessors) understood well, and they knew for certain that innovations and the Sunnah cannot unite together: Hassaan Ibn ’Atiyyah (d.120H) - rahimahullaah – said, ‘‘**No people introduce an innovation into their religion, except that its like from the Sunnah is ripped away from them.’’ **[7]

Fifthly: That innovations are the cause for destruction, since it leads to abandoning the Sunnah, and this causes tremendous misguidance. The noble Companion ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) said, ‘‘If you were to abandon the Sunnah of your Prophet then you would go astray.’’ [8] So if the Ummah goes astray then it is destroyed. Therefore ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood said to that group, ‘‘O Ummah of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam)! How quickly you head into destruction.’’ So the particular relevance of Ibn Mas’ood’s understanding is reflected in the context of the above narration. So Aboo Moosaa al-Ash’aree (radiyallaahu ’anhu) did not criticize them, rather he waited for the view or the order of ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu). And this stance was not merely taken out of love or out of displaying false affection to Ibn Umm ’Abd (i.e. to Ibn Mas’ood). Rather, Aboo Moosaa was pleased for himself with what Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) was pleased with for his Ummah, since he (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, ‘‘I am pleased for my Ummah with what Ibn Umm ’Abd is pleased with for it.’’ [9] Also in the narration is a proof that all of the Companions were agreed in opposing this action, since ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) used as a proof the fact that the Companions (radiyallaahu ’anhum) were wide spread (and therefore could easily be asked).

**Sixthly: **Innovations quickly lead to kufr (disbelief). This is because the innovator has set himself up as one who is able to legislate and prescribe things; and thus set himself up as a partner to Allaah, adding things to the rulings laid down by Allaah, thinking that he is on a religion of better guidance than the Religion of Muhammad (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam).

Seventhly: That innovations open the doors widely for disagreements to occur, and this is a door to misguidance. So whosoever lays down an evil way in Islaam, then he bears the sin of it and the sin of those who act upon it, until the Day of Judgement, without their sin being reduced by anything. And this is because the one who guides to an evil action is like the one who does it.

Eighthly: Not giving importance to the matter of shunning innovations, leads to evil and sins. Do you not see that these people came to be amongst the ranks of the deviated group called the Khawaarij on the day of Nahrawaan, fighting against the Companions (radiyallaahu ’anhum), who were led by the Leader of the Believers ’Alee (radiyallaahu ’anhu), who cut-off this deviated group, on that memorable day. Imaam al-Barbahaaree (d.329H) - rahimahullaah – said, ‘‘Beware of small innovations, because they grow and become large. This was the case with every innovation introduced into this Ummah. It started as something small, bearing a resemblance to the truth, which is why those who entered into it were misled, and then were unable to leave it. So it grew and it became the religion which, they followed, so they deviated from the Straight Path and thus left Islaam. May Allaah have mercy upon you! Examine carefully the speech of everyone you hear from, in your time particularly. So do not act in haste, nor enter into anything from it, until you ask and see: **Did any of the Companions of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) speak about it, or any of the (early) Scholars? So if you find a narration from them about it, cling to it and do not go beyond it for anything, nor give precedence to anything over it and thus fall into the Fire.’’ **[10]

Ninthly: Righteous actions are only according to righteous intentions, and a good intention does not make something which is futile correct. This is because intentions alone cannot make an action correct, but rather complying with the Sharee’ah (Prescribed Laws) must be added to that. [11]

Finally: Adding to something good is not good, because addition in good is evil, and this is something that is witnessed in everything. Thus, a matter, when it goes beyond its limits, changes to its opposite. So bravery, when it is added to, turns into rashness, and if it is decreased from, then it becomes cowardice. And generosity, if its limits are exceeded, then it becomes wastefulness, and if it is fallen short of, then it becomes miserliness. So the best of the affairs are the justly-balanced ones. And ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) was not alone amongst the Companions in condemning innovations. So here we find ’Abdullaah Ibn ’Umar (radiyallaahu ’anhu), who was one of severest from the Companions in condemning innovations and abandoning the innovators. So once he heard a man sneezing and saying, ‘Praise be to Allaah and may the salaah and salaam (the praises of Allaah and blessings of peace) be upon Allaah’s Messenger.’ So he said to him, ‘What is this? This is not what Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) taught us, rather he said, ‘‘When one of you sneezes then let him praise Allaah.’’ And he did not say: And also send salaah (blessings of peace) upon Allaah’s Messenger.’’ [12] Likewise was the practice of the taabi’een (those who met the Companions and clung to their way). So in this regard there is what is reported from Sa’eed Ibnul-Musayyib (d.90H) – rahimahullaah - that he saw a man praying after the appearance of dawn, more than two rak’ahs, making many rukoos (bowings) and sajdahs (prostrations), so he forbade him from this. So the man said, ‘O Aboo Muhammad (i.e. Ibn al-Musayyib)! Will Allaah punish me for my Prayer?’ So he said, ‘‘No! But He will punish you for opposing the Sunnah (Prophetic guidance).’’ [13] And these narrations contain many good points of benefit, so from them:

The Companions rebutting everyone who went against the authentic Sunnah, sometimes being very severe in their rebuttal, even if it was against their own fathers and sons.

[ii] That bid’ayut-tarkiyyah is misguidance: And this type of bid’ah (innovation) is one for which there is a proof to establish the action, except that the people deliberately leave the action, thinking that it is a part of the Religion, or something similar to it. For example, some of the Soofees who abandon marriage in order to emasculate themselves. The proof for this being misguidance is from Allaah - the Most High’s - saying:

‘‘O you who Believe! Do not make haraam (unlawful) the good things that Allaah has made halaal (lawful) to you, and do not transgress. Indeed Allaah does not love the transgressors. And eat of the things that Allaah has provided for you, lawful and good, and have taqwaa (fear and obedience) of Allaah in Whom you believe.’’[Sooratul-Maa‘idah 5:87-88]

So this aayah (verse) is concerned with a single meaning, which is: making forbidden that which Allaah has allowed from the good and pure things, and doing so as a matter of Religion. And Allaah has forbidden this, and considered it as going beyond the limits, since it is transgressing upon Allaah’s right, in that He alone has the right to prescribe and legislate. And Allaah does not love those who transgress the limits. Then Allaah affirmed the allowance of these things with an even greater emphasis by His saying,

‘‘**And eat of the things that Allaah has provided for you, lawful and good, and have taqwaa (fear and obedience) of Allaah in Whom you believe.’’ [Sooratul-Maa’idah 5:87-88]

Then he ordered them to have taqwaa (piety and obedience to Him). So this shows that the forbiddance of what Allaah has made lawful, in any form, is outside the bounds of taqwaa. Therefore, the Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said to those three men who came to the houses of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), asking about his worship and then on being informed about it, considered their own worship to be very little, so they said, ‘What a great difference there is between us and the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), whose previous and latter sins have been forgiven by Allaah.’ So one of them said, ‘I will always Pray during the night.’ The other one said, ‘I will always fast during the day and not break my fast.’ And the third of them said, ‘I will keep away from women and never get married.’ Then Allaah’s Messenger came to them and said, ‘‘Are you the people who said such and such? By Allaah! I am the one who is the most knowledgeable about Allaah amongst you, and the one who has the most taqwaa of Him. Yet I fast and break my fast, I pray and I sleep, and I marry women. So whosoever turns away from my Sunnah (guidance) is not from me.’’ [14]

So if the Companions (radiallaahu ’anhum) left for us words of deep insight and which clearly enlighten the hearts, then men after them, who likewise attained the truth from this light, have also left for us words which are almost like the words of the Companions. And this is because they were those who very closely followed in the footsteps of the Companions - and the likes of their sayings have already preceded. However we add here a final example of their stance of truth:

Thus, a man came to Imaam Maalik (d.179H) - rahimahullaah - and said, ‘O Aboo ’Abdullaah! Where shall I enter the state of ihraam (the dress for one intending to do Pilgrimage)?’ So Imaam Maalik replied, ‘‘From Dhul-Hulayfah, where Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) entered the state of ihraam.’’ The man then said, ‘But I wish to enter the state of ihraam at the mosque by his grave.’ So Imaam Maalik said, ‘‘Do not do that, for I fear for you the fitnah (trial).’’ So the man said, ‘What fitnah are you referring to, since it is only a few extra miles.’ So Imaam Maalik said, ‘‘And what fitnah can be greater than for you to think that you have attained some virtue, which Allaah’s Messenger (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) fell short of. Have you not heard the saying of Allaah,

‘‘Let those beware who oppose the command of the Prophet, lest they are afflicted with fitnah (trial),or lest they are afflicted with a painful punishment.’’ [Sooratun-Noor 24:63].’’ [15]

Footnotes:

[1] al-Bid’ah wa Atharuhas-Sayyi‘ah fil-Ummah (pp.22-36)
[2] Related by Wakee’ in az-Zuhd (no. 315) and Aboo Khaythamah in Kitaabul-’Ilm (no. 54), where al- Albaanee authenticated it. The addition is related by at-Tabaraanee in al-Kabeer (9/154) and it is authentic.
[3] Related by al-Bayhaqee in al-Madkhal ilas-Sunan (no. 191) and also Ibn Nasr in as-Sunnah (p. 24). Its isnaad (chain of narration) is as authentic as the sun!
[4] Related by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/79), at-Tabaraanee in al-Kabeer (9/126) and Aboo Nu’aym in Hilyatul-Awliyaa (4/381). It was authenticated by al-Haythamee in Majma’uz-Zawaa‘id (1/181).
[5] Saheeh: Related by Aboo Daawood in his Sunan (no. 1502), from ’Abdullaah Ibn ’Amr (radiyallaahu ’anhu). It was authenticated by al-Albaanee in Saheeh Sunan Abee Daawood (1/280).
[6] Hasan: Related by Aboo Daawood in his Sunan (no.1501), from Yusayrah (radiyallaahu ’anhaa). It was authenticated by Shaykh al-Albaanee in Saheeh Sunan Abee Daawood (1/280).
[7] Related by ad-Daarimee (1/45) and it is authentic.
[8] Related by Muslim (5/156).
[9] Saheeh: Related by al-Haakim (3/317-318) and Ibn ’Asaakir in al-Majlis (no. 350). It was authenticated by al-Albaanee in as-Saheehah (no.1225).
[10] Sharhus-Sunnah (no. 8)
[11] Refer to Madaarijus-Saalikeen (1/85) of Ibn al-Qayyim
[12] Related by at-Tirmidhee (no. 2738) and al-Mizzee in Tahdheebul-Kamaal (no. 552-553). The isnaad is good.
[13] Related by al-Bayhaqee is as-Sunanul-Kubraa (2/466) and the isnaad is authentic.
[14] Related by al-Bukhaaree (9/104) and Muslim (9/175)
[15] Related by Imaam ash-Shaatibee in al-I’tisaam (1/132)

“The opposite of faith is not doubt, its certainty.”

“If you understand, things are just as they are. If you do not understand, things are just as they are”

Religion consists entirely of good character (al-dinu kulluhu khuluq). Whoever surpasses you in good character surpasses you in religion, and the same is true of tasawwuf. al-Kattani said: **“Tasawwuf is good character (al-tasawwuf khuluq). Whoever surpasses you in good character surpasses you in tasawwuf.” **(Ibn Qayyim in Madarij as-Salikeen)

Nabi salalahu alayhi salam said: "Wal arshu fawqa dhalika wallahu fawqa al arsh “…and the throne is above that, and Allah is above the throne” [Laalakaaee. Adh dhahabi and ibn qayyim authenticated it]

What about the innovation of creating books with both true and false sayings of the Prophet mixed into one, when did the prophet sanction the creation of such books?
When and where did the prophet demonstrate the way of separating true from false statements, once they have been mixed into a book? If the prophet did not, then when was this innovation introduced?
Why do those who practice Islam using such books that were not created in the days of the prophet or the four rightly guided prophets, hypocritically, tell others not to practice Islam by using methods in Islam that were not used by the prophet and four rightly guided caliphs?

righteous · April 7, 2009, 12:50pm

Labeling shias as Ahlul Bid'a is not only wrong clip.

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Logic dictates that on a dispute both parties can be wrong but both parties cannot be right so go figure.

And as far as clip bid'a is concerned, Umar allowed three Divorces in one utterances and without witnesses. Go read surah talaq and find the need of two witnesses clearly stated in it and this is the point of view of most of the 4 as well.

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Go read Quran and you will find in each and every case the Prophets progeny continue to lead and guide the ummat. clip

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BOY-NICE · April 7, 2009, 3:59pm

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psyah · April 7, 2009, 5:30pm

AllahkaBanda:

Wa'alaykum As-Salam akhee

where did you get this from? Books of ahadeeth have all sorts of narrations! How does this prove that Umar's (radiAllahu anho) statements is to be understood as sharee' ruling? There is a difference between lingustic definition of bid'ah and sharee' definition of bid'ah.

when did I not present the scholar's opinions but my own personal understanding? No one is asking you to buy what the article say, if you like it good and if you don't then it is your choice. No one is obliged to present the other view when it is known that they think it is deviant. Which scholars are you talking about? Can they be hujjah to everyone?

1 - this is not an issue of fiqh where opposite opinion can be tolerated; it is more or less an aqeedah issue

2 - what is the view of the jamhour or what is the ijma'?

3 - What's the point of quoting the other opinion if you blast it with your arguments in the same article? How does that propose tolerance and unity? Please read carefully the works of ibn Kathir (rahimahullah); he blasted the people of kalam (Ash'aris, etc.) through out his tafseer and al Bidayah wa-Nihayah. I don't know how that was tolerant or displaying unity.

brother AllahkaBanda

Firstly, I'm not making up the ruling that all bid'a may not be classed as going astray because it is in this 'linguisitic' sense some people verily whole fiqh areas have used to justify that not all bid'a are bad. They go on to argue that bid'a is permissible of two types:

1) When something is done to facilitate worship so long as it is not considered like a Sunnah/Mustahab or Fard.

2) When something new is introduced to provide a new form of the same thing outside worship. Surely to take a bus from Mina to Muzdallifah is a bid'a but using ijtihad people have factored out its permissibility.

Other fiqh schools do not call 2) bid'a at all, but they still insist that 1) is bid'a and reprehensible.

It is not necessarily an issue of 'aqeedah as everyone is in agreement that 'dhikr' is a requirement in Islam it is the method of how that dhikr is done which is under contention. There are some references used which are indeed weak that support the practice of collective dhikr. Some schools allow weak hadith to form a ruling for 'amal but others do not. These are valid differences in opinion.

I am just living my Islamic life trying very hard to reconcile difference and doing that what increases my iman and puts khushoh in my worship. If I feel something is doing that and there are scholars in place to sanction the actions then I take the step that I am required to make. May Allah (SWT) show me the truth and guide me to what Pleases Him. And for us all. Ameen.

AllahkaBanda · April 7, 2009, 6:30pm

why is this thread hijacked? clip

yes, that's what I meant, the khulafah rashideen; Jazak Allah khayr for correcting

clip Go learn the difference between lingusitic and sharee definition of bid'ah instead of beating around the bush.

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what is the evidence for this, Qur'an/Sunnah/practice of the Salaf? Any sharee' bid'ah is leading to hell fire whether it is considered as sunnah/mustahabb/fard.

Sharee' bid'ah has to do with act of ibaadah; anything outside of worhsip is not sharee' bid'ah! What you're reffering to here is lingustic bid'ah which got nothing to do with sharee' bid'ah. This argument shows how badly they are sturggling.

because 2) is not sharee' bid'ah so why would they call it a bid'ah in Islam!? for 1) I would like to see what the madaahab say and please don't quote me latar scholars.

it is an aqeedah issue issue because we believe that we worship Allah Ta'ala how He and His Messenger (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) has told us. As you mentioned, the disagreement is not whether we do dhikr; the disagreement lies how to do dhikr. If this "how" is not found in sharee'ah, then doing dhikr using this "how" is sharee' bid'ah.

btw, the scholars' difference over whether to accept weak ahadith is among the ashabul hadith not madaahab. Those who say that weak ahadith could be accpted in matters of ibaadah and 'aml, they placed some conditions on them. If those conditions are fulfilled then a person can take them. I agree that some of the latar scholars of Ahlus Sunnah are very harsh/extreme in this matter.

ameen to du'as and may Allah Ta'ala make things easier for us and set our affairs, ameen

Das_Reich · April 7, 2009, 6:40pm

Re: Every innovation is misguidance!

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psyah · April 7, 2009, 8:37pm

Re: Every innovation is misguidance!

@ bro AllahkaBanda

... Instead of me trying to defend any one position. Let me ask you what is meant by

Shar'ee bid'a and Linguistic bid'a

a) Please explain it in the light of 'all' bid'a .. is not a linguistic bid'a a bid'a?

b) Please explain what factors make something a shar'ee bid'a and what factors make something a linguistic bid'a

c) Please explain how they differ from one another

d) Please cite examples of each and also cite why would the collection of Qur'an or Tarawih not be considered bid'a shar'ee when doing tasbih on other than fingers is considered bid'a shar'ee.

It is because it is beginning to get murky for me and it will take someone who is as sure as yourself to help me work things out inshaAllah.

AllahkaBanda · April 8, 2009, 12:19am

^Wa As-Salamu 'Alaykum bro

this is actually very simple and straight forward

linguistic definition of bid’ah: anything new which was not previously found is a bid’ah, i.e., computer, cars, etc.

sharee’ definition of bid’ah: anything which is new in Islam, meaning it previously didn’t have any basis in Islam. This includes anything from aqeedah to ibaadah.

So, if something is bid’ah liguistically and it has nothing to do with Islam, then it is not sharee’ bid’ah and we can apply it or use it, etc. For example, using computers. However, if one says “if you use computer 100 times a day, you will get x reward”, then this particular action becomes sharee’ bid’ah.

1 - because both of these had a basis in Islam, for an evidence and detailed answer please refer to: Are the compilation of the Qur’an and the first adhaan for Jumu’ah forms of bid’ah (innovation)? and ](Can You Pray Tarawih Alone? - Islam Question & Answer)Should Taraweeh prayer be offered individually or in congregation? Is completing the Qur’aan in Ramadaan bid’ah?

2 - an act of kulifa rashideen regarding sharee’ah is not considered a sharee’ bid’ah because the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) told us to follow their sunnah. After all, we understand the sharee’ah how the Salaf understood it.

I don’t know anything about this issue and it seems a strange opinion to me

I hope this helps, insha’Allah

Wallahu A’lam

ALIJAN1001 · April 8, 2009, 5:20am

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psyah · April 8, 2009, 6:54am

Re: Every innovation is misguidance!

Apologies to everyone who spent time and effort in posting some of the inflamatory and off topic responses in this thread ... I really hope we can be mature about this topic

Peace

ALIJAN1001 · April 8, 2009, 8:01am

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psyah · April 8, 2009, 2:19pm

Re: Every innovation is misguidance!

^ Peace bro ALIJAN101

The topic of your thread is innovation is misguidance then you are trying to inflame another sub-topic in this thread by introducing 'the people of innovation are worse than sinners'

Instead of making a double topic please stick to this one and try to avoid topics which are going to cause arguments. I wonder what maqam you have for people who encourage fitnah and fassad?

ALIJAN1001 · April 9, 2009, 5:27am

no you are not correct this time what i posted it was related to topic, and also these were notmy views, these views are belong to ummah.

hope you understand.