do us pakistanis born and brought up abroad have the same etiquettes as the desis in pak? why do most people consider that in pakistan kids have more tameez and respect and manners and ek ishaaarey pe har kaam hota hai…while kids abroad need to be told what to do and even then they will only do whats told to them and not anything less or more
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I'm not sure... i lived most of my life in Pakistan.
I grew up with a sense of respect that i feel has been lost by immigrant generations but i still feel that in young men especially there are often times when we feel we can get away with or are justified in breaking the rules... for men at least going off the beaten track is excusable within limits.
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because in pakistan...kids get to phaintofy if they dont follow ammi kay ankh ka ishara....j/k...it all depends on upbringing....even in pakistan we see so many kids who do the worst things possible to their parents and dont even regret it....
acting upon ankh ka ishara is not enough, respecting parents and valuing them should be considered an eitquette rather than just following your parents blindly....there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with them but kids should have manners to disagree with in a respectful way
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I've seen it both ways. Kids in the U.S. who are well disciplined and help out with household chores and stuff, and spoiled kids in Pakistan who bark orders at their household help as if they are their personal slaves. It all depends on ones upbringing really. So the rest is just generalizing B.S.
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Totally agree with the last two post. 
because in pakistan...kids get to phaintofy if they dont follow ammi kay ankh ka ishara....j/k...it all depends on upbringing....even in pakistan we see so many kids who do the worst things possible to their parents and dont even regret it....
acting upon ankh ka ishara is not enough, respecting parents and valuing them should be considered an eitquette rather than just following your parents blindly....there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with them but kids should have manners to disagree with in a respectful way
I agree to what falafel said !
It's all in the upbringing I believe. I myself have been born and raised in Pakistan and I have many many cousins abroad and I don't see much difference in them. They respect their parents , obey them and also disagree with them in a respectable way. On the other hand some Pakistan born and bred kids can be absolutely bad tameez because their parents never told them what's right & what's wrong and never taught them how to behave.
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I think the difference is very clear and for that reason I worry about raising my daughter here in states. I have many cousins and family friends that grew up here and the difference is quiet clear in their social skills.. They don't show up to other people's funcutions, or get togethers but expect everything for their own parties and gatherings.. I think part of it has to do with your family upbringing as well but in my experience you can tell.
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do us pakistanis born and brought up abroad have the same etiquettes as the desis in pak? why do most people consider that in pakistan kids have more tameez and respect and manners and ek ishaaarey pe har kaam hota hai...while kids abroad need to be told what to do and even then they will only do whats told to them and not anything less or more
I am not a kid, but I am my parents kid. On my last trip to Pakistan, a cousin told me that he thought I was being badtameez. We talked and fought about it.
Here is what I think goes on. There, you are expected to not have opinions, needs, desires of your own. Your are expected to OBEY, OBEY, OBEY. I can't live like that. I am more than willing to help my parents and other people, but my needs and desires need to be respected too, as an adult.
My parents mostly understand that about me. They usually don't expect me to be ready to do whatever they ask 24/7. I am their child AND an adult. So, on this trip, there was stuff that my parents were fine with, but the onlookers weren't. I was also pissed that it was none of their business. I think that's pretty "badtameez". But o well... Ce la vie.
Kids in Pakistan are taught not to voice their opinions so they keep their mouth shut in front of elders (kids are to be seen and not heard formula), while kids raised abroad voice their opinions and thoughts openly, since they are encouarged to do so… I don’t consider it badtameezi, you are just expressing yourself. However, old school people surely do think thats badtameezi. 
Oh and by the way, that applies only on girls… does not apply to boys… totally unfair IMHO.
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LOL
Times have changed my friends... the old story about the little birdie dont apply no more though i feel it should.