How do you guys define equality? Please elaborate.
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It’s the day when guys are too scared to meet up strange girls because they fear being murdered and raped.
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Many of them are already scared to meet up strange girls because they fear being controlled and emotionally tortured. Not the same thing yet but close enough.
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an argument like that will definitely attract people from north pole and south pole. you will see examples of people quoting an extreme negativity and some people quoting extreme positivity.
I personally believe that brown people should get over with lots of society specific burdens. Thoughts like if i had son, I might have focused more on his career rather than his rishta and sicne i have the girl, my sole responsibility (since her birth till she get married) is to stay worried that who is she is going to be married.
A girl has the same potential which a guy has, its not her who is afraid of taking risk or being out there by her own to fight with life, its the parents, the society who judge every single step she takes just because she is a girl.
For me, the equality means that if a guy can do something, so the girl can do it so without being judged. She has to have some opportunities or future planning given by her parents which is given to her brother.
Believe me, there is nothing more satisfying than knowing that your partner can stand on her own, she can fight the whole world but when it comes to relax, you are the only shoulder she feels like resting or the only person she feels getting comfort. Two independent individuals, living their life togeter is one of the bestest thing I have witnessed in my life (my parents). And nothing is better than that.
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That’s true. I have come across this family, they have daughters but they thought its best to invest their hardly earned money on their sons as they have to take responsibility of a whole family in future as guys are the breadwinners. Well whatever but they married their daughters as soon as possible, I don’t have a daughter yet but I don’t know for some reason parents worry that their daughters should be married ASAP & they should fulfill this responsibility sooner. They just keep their daughters so protected & in sheltered environment but then again they don’t want them to go out considering the environment in Pakistan. I have seen girls studying privately just because parents won’t let them out as its not safe. But its not their fault, girls who have been kept far behind by their parents back then so their brothers can have quality of education are now somewhat suffering in so many ways, in terms of dependancy, rishtas problems etc, there are so many examples as the world has changed drastically.
Don’t you think its easy for guys who are living in the west to say that? Considering our society, its quite difficult for girls but still things are progressing.
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I mean how can you guys expect from those girls all of a sudden having a career & a job who grew up with this idea, fed by their parents/family, that they will be housewives while husbands will be breadwinners? Its easy to say while living in a western society.
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no, its not about the west. Its about how much a daughter’s parents are willing to trust and raise her as a strong child than a “typical brown girl”. Whatever I am writing is the story of my parents life. My mother, born and raised in a village. The first one in the whole village to get a college degree, spent her whole life as professional lady (in education field, the whole district knows my mother and calls her as architect of the nation). It was due to my mother that our village first had a middle school for girls, then high and now it has a women college.
I don’t remember a single moment when my mother told me that her parents ask her not to do this thing because she is woman. My father showed and have the same trust in my mother. He has his own business but it doesn’t mean that he overshadows the skills and professional attitude my mom has towards her professional field.
I wouldn’t praise my parents for having this mentality. I would praise my grand parents who raised them with the menatily that the life is name of struggle and in that struggle, there is no gender discrimination. What matters is that you gotta work as a team and respect others.
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This sounds like a question I had in my law exam.
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For me equality means ensuring that you don’t discriminate between your son and daughter while choosing their school, their university, and even other things. For example, if you gave a car to your son, give one to your daughter too or compensate her in someway so that she can go out as easily as her brother can to meet friends, go shopping etc.
Apart from that I believe you should trust your daughter like you trust your son. This applies to husbands too. If you dont tell your wife where you are going, you have no right to keep tabs on her 24/7 either.
That being said, I think we Pakistanis should avoid defining equality like Americans or other citizens of the western societies do. For instance, obviously a boy can stay out till midnight, a girl cannot.
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if you let your boys hang out till midnight without any girls, they may all become homos. i say put them on a 9 pm curfew too.
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Until we see a woman cricketer with the defensive skills of Misbah, all talks of equality are just that.
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Male and female are quite different for obvious reasons… they have different functions(reproduction wise) and different limits(Strength wise) … nothing to do with culture or where you are living…Sure they can do everything other can do… but everyone have limits.. the way female can nurture young ones.. males can’t do it .. fact! .. I can come up with heaps more reason but neah don’t really want to at the moment.
I can’t actually understand with people start coming up with issues like equality when the world can be so much better place where every can do what they do best and live in harmony …
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There are facts. And then there are true facts.
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You mean male can nurture their young better then females? from carrying them for 9 months till feeding them… i am not talking about odd ones here and there.. just talking about male generally … any age … 20-40 maybe? any situation in life ?
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Sorry. I just felt like quoting Dubya.
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To me equality means not treating someone different b/c of their gender. Provide the same opportunities for men and women. Impose the same rules on both genders as parents. Allow the individual (whether man or woman) to choose what they want…instead of coercing them into doing something b/c someone else thinks that’s what they should do b/c of their gender.
Parents should treat boys and girls the same. If a girl has to be home by dark, then same rule should apply to the boy. If a boy is given the best opportunities possible to pursue educate and his chosen career, then provide the same opportunities for the girl. If you expect a girl to learn how to cook, then impose the same expectation for the boy. If you expect the boy to know how to change a flat tire, then teach the same to the girl.
In the work place, if a man and woman is doing the same job, give them the same pay. Women are allowed to get maternity leave…men should get paternity leave (many workplaces including mine actually has this but its certainly not mainstream). The list goes on and on. Equality boils down to giving the same opportunities to both genders. It’s about not shaming/belitting a woman because she’s not embracing the traditional gender role. It’s about not questioning a man because he’s doing something that you think a woman should be doing. Showing respect for another person and trust that they know what they’re good at…instead of assuming they MUST be great at something simply b/c of their gender.
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The only thing I would add is - leave without pay should be granted. And for those with means related issues, additional support provided.
This will avoid companies subsidizing white collar couples. Or if they do that, other employees also get similar benefits. This way there is equality in terms of those having children and those not having children.
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equality about what?
masha-Allah, some posts are so dumb here
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And hence the difference between a desire for equity versus equality…
Equity to me is the about balance and fairness between treatment of both genders versus offering all opportunities and rights exactly equally, almost like a math equation.
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besides that, reproduction or strength are not exactly the basis of one’s identity or role outside of tiny areas in life. there are many peeps who wont reproduce for whatever reason, and plenty of weak men, strong women etc.