Fair enough. Like we did in the other cases, we will request 2Pak to refrain from using bad lingo. We are confident that he will listen. If not, we will call NY cops and have him arrested.
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we will also restrict him from posting here for a week so that he can spend his time with his pals in NY central. right 2Pak?
Admin
Order Order Order
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( 2 roti aik nihaari ;)))
Ok, Mujrim # 2 , under aayay
umm Admin, 2Pac is West Side (L.A.). He hates the east (N.Y.C.). Anyways, i think the problem will be solved if there was no OFFICIAL religion on this site.
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Originally posted by Chand Mian:
**Kaleem:
**Let me see if I can make you understand that according to your claims you know a whole lot about Islam and you grew up in a religious family. But your post does not support your claims. It actually proves otherwise.
Ghazi, BB, and Irrefragable were not spreading I slam and trying to convert anyone. They were educating clueless Muslims like you and non-Muslims alike.
The debate in question is their retaliations which according to the facts on these threads provoked a situation that falls under the commands of Noble Quran (verses 16:126 and 42:39-40-41-42.) So far no Muslim, Admin, and non-Muslim have proved them wrong with supporting facts. People like you come and go to look good for minutes or two. Can you do me a favor and explain to me what these verses are commanding Muslims to do and in what situation they are applicable? I am sure that for your religious background that you are claiming it should be a piece of cake?** :)
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Chand Mian,
Salaam, I really did not learn anything from your ambigous post. I did not claim to be a an Islamic Scholar, however GOD has given me the brains to reason and understand. I am all ears to a good debate, you guys(who claim to follow shariah and live it) should make yourself more approachable and pleasant, so people who need guidance can ask a question without the fear of getting cursed. I read a few posts from your friends before i put my two cents in. What I saw was your friends attacking people without a just cause, however i only saw one post where you guys were targeted without a reason. Now, if you live and breath shariah, please do all of us a favor and explain Quran in a pleasant fashion. I must point out that i do not have to accept your interpertation of Quran, as ALLAH has given me a brain that i can use and consult the "tafseer" from renowned Muslim scholars.
Allah Hafiz.
Kaleem
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Kaleem Salam:
Salaam, I really did not learn anything from your ambigous post.
Following is my response to your post.
Salaam, I really did not learn anything from your ambigous post.
It is not the post that is ambiguous; it is your limited knowledge about issue in questions and your rush to judgement. So please don’t try to blame on post being ambiguous. Let me also tell you what Quran says in this situation. What you did is prohibited by Quran 49:12…O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting)] . And fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful.
I did not claim to be a an Islamic Scholar, however GOD has given me the brains to reason and understand.
** Famous excuse of those who first take a shot on others, once confronted, they chicken out this way. God has given you brains? Good for you and please use it. **
I am all ears to a good debate, you guys(who claim to follow shariah and live it) should make yourself more approachable and pleasant, so people who need guidance can ask a question without the fear of getting cursed.
** No one claim to follow Sharia, so far I haven’t seen any such claim by anyone. So I am not sure why you are making that up? You have also used plural another violation of teaching of Quran beside a lie. Your statement "so people who need guidance can ask a question without the fear of getting cursed." Because it is not trye, your are falsely alleging me, why don't you see your Quran it it says about your actions?
Please see the verse above. Quran 49:11…O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult one's brother after having Faith . And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zâlimûn (wrongdoers, etc.). *
I read a few posts from your friends before i put my two cents in. What I saw was your friends attacking people without a just cause, however i only saw one post where you guys were targeted without a reason.
** What you saw in nothing and incomplete. You are constantly lying by saying that they are my friends? What kind of Muslim you are? You got any proof of that? You are doing the guesswork by violating the verse I posted above 49:12, read that again. **
Now, if you live and breath shariah, please do all of us a favor and explain Quran in a pleasant fashion. I must point out that i do not have to accept your interpertation of Quran, as ALLAH has given me a brain that i can use and consult the "tafseer" from renowned Muslim scholars.
** Again another silly guess work. Where did I claim that I live and breathe Sharia? Why you are lying repeatedly? I am not your father nor I fathered you. It is/was the responsibility of your parents to educate you properly. I am not conducting any classes here. Didn’t you boosted in earlier part of your post that God has given you brains (you used plural…How much brain you have in your skull?) to reason and understand. Now you want me explain Quran to you. So which of your claim is true? Can you make up your mind, instead of going opposite and both directions? You said that you don’t have to accept my point or interpretation, did you hear me or read me asking for that. BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN YOU DEBATE WITH ME YOU HAS TO PROVE YOUR POINT. THAT YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO FAR. By the way you have dodged my references and questions related to those references. Can you answer my questions in my earlier posts, which you didn’t?
Next time avoid your opinion, and give me the authority that governs your point, like I do. Now no one is my friend and else. So stop singing rap. **
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Chand Mian,
Ok nobody is your friend, when I said you and your friends, that was because you tried to defend them in their wrong behavior.
However to keep your unlimited knowledge updated, here is a post from BB,he clearly claims to know and follow the shariah. Now if you choose to defend them, than you are in agreement with them. What proof do you have that you are a better Muslim than anyone else ? I thought ALLAH was the judge. Now please use some concrete proof to enlighten us limited knowledge people regarding Islam. Do not take Quran's verses out of context. If your purpose is to teach/preach islam or help others learn Islam, you will be better served to use polite and reasonable language, rather than attacking them and calling them liars and choice names.
Allah Hafiz.
Post from BB
"Now I challenge to all so-called ignorant Muslims to prove us wrong despite what all of us or any of us said. We are in total compliance of Islamic Sharia. We understand it better than you and we practice it better than you do. You all provoked us. If we have to do it again, we will do the same. We don’t ask for mercy and we don’t give one."
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The ONLY Solution! ***And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85
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Chand Mian,
No guess work here, Quran's Verses quoted by you orginally clearly states that if you are provoked, you can react in the same fashion, however it also tells you that Allah will reward the people with patience. Like I said before, no body provoked you, I was merely trying to start a dialogue with you and you became defensive, that by the way is first sign of weakness. BB & CO. even if they were provoked should have thicker skin, so they can answer questions without using vulgar language that has become a staple for them.Hey I did not ask you to educate me regarding Islam, I told you What methods I use when I need an answer. Chand Mian you are just an emotional person, who does not even know english language very well. So, please keep your so called authority to yourself and spare the rest of us from your ambigous blabbering.
Kaleem.
P.S I hate rap :)
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[This message has been edited by Kaleem (edited April 09, 2000).]
Chand Mian,
Ok nobody is your friend, when I said you and your friends, that was because you tried to defend them in their wrong behavior.
** You know one thing you are intellectually challenged and a hypocrite. Because without knowing all facts on this issue you are constantly rendering judgement. I’ll defend anyone who is right?
I want you to prove the wrong behavior? Because in my initial response I invite your attention to facts, gave you reference from Quran and asked questions. You didn’t give a damn about that, you dodged my questions, and you have no clue what I am talking about. You are constantly judging people with your prejudices. What you are doing is a form of Kufr. Get a life man. **
However to keep your unlimited knowledge updated, here is a post from BB,he clearly claims to know and follow the shariah. Now if you choose to defend them, than you are in agreement with them. What proof do you have that you are a better Muslim than anyone else ? I thought ALLAH was the judge. Now please use some concrete proof to enlighten us limited knowledge people regarding Islam. Do not take Quran's verses out of context. If your purpose is to teach/preach islam or help others learn Islam, you will be better served to use polite and reasonable language, rather than attacking them and calling them liars and choice
names.
Allah Hafiz.
Post from BB
"Now I challenge to all so-called ignorant Muslims to prove us wrong despite what all of us or any of us said. We are in total compliance of Islamic Sharia. We understand it better than you and we practice it better than you do. You all provoked us. If we have to do it again, we will do the same. We don’t ask for mercy and we don’t give one."
** So, what the hack you are trying to prove? I have read that post. Do you have any clue about all references and points stated in this post? No you are clueless as usual. I say it again that BB and others were/are right. You failed to prove them wrong with authority. I don’t give a crap to your prejudicial opinion. You aren’t worth my time. I’ll ignore your posts from now on if they are full of non-sense. You want to debate with me on Islam? Debate with authority. I am careless about your opinion.**