Enough of this dancing with bb and ns. Enough of this pussyfooting with the half baked agenda driven CJ. Enough of this trying to make peace with the jihadists. Enough is enough.
You are a command. You have some brain and some sense that most of the people you work with don’ have.
Go with your instinct and ground these nuts. You cannot make pakistan a democracy. Atleast make it a disciplined dictatorship
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how about good ol working towards instituitions that work! without the institutes we'll always need army in charge to make us feel safe.
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Enough of this dancing with bb and ns. Enough of this pussyfooting with the half baked agenda driven CJ. Enough of this trying to make peace with the jihadists. Enough is enough.
You are a command. You have some brain and some sense that most of the people you work with don' have.
Go with your instinct and ground these nuts. You cannot make pakistan a democracy. Atleast make it a disciplined dictatorship
Tariq, my frustration and thoughts are somewhat similar right now. Well put!
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Yes. History has taught us that dictatorships, especially in Pakistan have always worked wonders for the social fabric of the nation. They have invariably eradicated all the problems left over by politicians and over all helped inculcate a sense of federalism and patriotism in the country. I personally believe (hello Ms. South Carolina) terorrism can be dealt a severe blow by suspending fundamental rights and the pesky little document called constitution. The arrangement which will obviously make the people very happy and jump with joy. No Constitution, no taxes! Streets will be filled with laughter and rivers with honey and milk. I can't wait.
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Flamie - I hear you and wish pakistan had evolved to the state of appreciating your post as satire. Hasn't happened.
As harisZ said it is frustrating. in the immediate term some strong measures have become necessaru w.o which there could be major collapse.
Social fabric will pay the price - I agree. But that's called reaping what you sow. A society that has proven incapable of bringing up decent leaders and where 'jihad' training has become a major industry for local consumption and export has to pay the price.
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No. We do not. That the nation has not thrown up reasonable leaders is not because we don't have reasonable men among us but because the system is skewed, has been hijacked again and again. Remember, democracy is a tree. We have to nurture it. You can't keep chopping it down every few years and expect it to produce any fruit.
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Enough of this dancing with bb and ns. Enough of this pussyfooting with the half baked agenda driven CJ. Enough of this trying to make peace with the jihadists. Enough is enough.
You are a command. You have some brain and some sense that most of the people you work with don' have.
Go with your instinct and ground these nuts. You cannot make pakistan a democracy. Atleast make it a disciplined dictatorship
which commando? the commando who raped his own agenda by letting Nawaz escape in first place? the same commando who brought corrupt people to form a so-called 'elected' government? the same commando who let NAB die? which commando are we speaking of?
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Social fabric will pay the price - I agree. But that's called reaping what you sow. **A society that has proven incapable of bringing up decent leaders **and where 'jihad' training has become a major industry for local consumption and export has to pay the price.
Incorrect, the society is reaping the rewards of army adventurism into Federal capital, army kills and controls leaders by intimidation, army created the vacuum of leadership by controlling the country for a decade after every decade.
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You are a command. You have some brain and some sense that most of the people you work with don' have.
if he really had some brain, why would he collect a bunch without any brain ... to be the king of idiots ??
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It's useless talking in hindsight but people overall tend to have short memories. For instance when talking about political parties' dictatorial tendencies, most people only look at the 90's, completely ignoring the fact that we might have never had BB and NS had Ayub not nurtured ZAB, had Yahya not invaded Bangladesh, had Zia not murdered ZAB giving sympathy vote to BB, had Zia not lapped NS and finally, had Aslam Beg not formed the IJI. SO we need to keep things in perspective.
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Nobody here has said anything that I disagree with.
Now - at this present time - I think pakistan is at a very dangerous influxion (sp!) point. Things can eithet go very very wrong or very wrong or only wrong. Given those choices, wrong seems to be the right path.
How else. What else.
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so what you are saying is that prior to ayub all was well with our political parties? :)
No. I am saying that had Ayub not intervened, we might have been able to steady the ship. Don't forget, we had finally managed to come up with a constitution in 56. Good or bad, it could have been amended. It was a secular constitution to boot. Through political process, I dont see why we could not have over come our differences. All democracies, except perhaps Amreeka, face teething problems. No? Even India had it's mid life crisis in the 70's. England..France? All of them
On the other hand, even if I do accept ur argument for a while that political parties were a bunch of jack asses, what exactly did Ayub do to improve the lot of people or the parties? Basic democracy? One-man constitution? Ridiculing Jinnah's sister with rigged elections? What exactly is his contribution to the political process in Pakistan?
and so what if ZAB got nurtured, he is gone, do we have to now deal with his kids to run the country?
Yes. Thanks in big part to Zia.
so yeah these ppl got in power in their parties somehow, some got propped, others got charity votes, etc etc, but then what happened then nothing changes? are people in these parties blind or lack the capacity to think, or are voters in pakistan a bunch of idiots who can not show their displeasure with parties? for all the political bakbak that desis do, I have yet to see some real concreet movement from citizens asking for political parties transparency and change.
Easy to blame the people but let's take a look at the statistics. Poverty? Education? Health? The state, majority of the time under military control, has failed on all these issues. When I don't have food on my table, hell with democracy? When I can't sum up 2+2, how do I distinguish between BB and NS and the third option..whoever and whenever? When my vadera asks me for a vote..who tells me of my rights? Enter the judiciary. The Judiciary was subdued very early on by the military in the shape of doctrine of necessity. It's taken it 60 years to grow some manly organs. U can already see it's impact on jirga system , otherwise called the National Assembly/Executive. Imagine if judiciary had been independent full 60 years. There is an obvious desire for constitutionalism than ever in our history.
Pakistani awaam has been oppressed for 60 years by both military and political governments. I think it's unfair to first deny them their basic right, push them in poverty, develop elitist economies (just last night Ishrat Hussain admitted elitist economy is still the main problem in Pak. And he's the architect of current economic policies. what does that tell u?) , accumulate assets in few hands, and then blame the public at large for all the wrongs. Whatever democracy we had was skewed because of lack of independent media and judiciary and behind the scenes role of the Army. Only now will the political parties be really tested when we have both an independent media and judiciary to keep a check on them. I am very optimistic we'll get it right this time.
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so what if ZAB got nurtured, he is gone, do we have to now deal with his kids to run the country?
Yaar you have no choice. BB has been elected as the 'Life Chairperson' of PPP :D
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Pakistani awaam has been oppressed for 60 years by both military and political governments. I think it's unfair to first deny them their basic right, push them in poverty, develop elitist economies (just last night Ishrat Hussain admitted elitist economy is still the main problem in Pak. And he's the architect of current economic policies. what does that tell u?) , accumulate assets in few hands, and then blame the public at large for all the wrongs. Whatever democracy we had was skewed because of lack of independent media and judiciary and behind the scenes role of the Army. Only now will the political parties be really tested when we have both an independent media and judiciary to keep a check on them. I am very optimistic we'll get it right this time.
We are living on hopes since 1947. Lets see what happen this time!
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Let's play 2 scenario.
Musharaf shares power with ns or bb: all is well for 3 days. the jockeying for power begins right after. mullas get on one side, army on the other. And how do these two camps settle arguments? bam bam thank you maam - it's July 4th every night.
Musharaf wakes up from slumber and discovers he is still the dictator - no power sharing; if CJ opens his mouth it is martial law and 3 meals on the dole. mullas and army shut up and get behind him. America increases aid.
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I hope he declares martial law yesterday. Will put a lot of the hypothesis about american aid and CJ's jail to test.
In the heart of my heart, I also pray the general in your country takes a cue from our emperor. :biggthumb Spread the goodness. After all martial law is a time tested system of governance that ALWAYS delivers. Especially in the 21st century. I see us coming out of our international isolation...money pouring in, govt. slashing taxes, people coming out of poverty, jobs for everyone, people becoming honest overnight, terrorists lining up to surrender arms (note: sadist hint to the same Army u propose impose martial law, breaking world record for meek surrender in 1971 and then having the distinction of breaking its own record by surrendering to 35 militants without firing a shot)
So basically yeah, I too see where u r coming from. Frankly all this talk of fundamental rights is starting to sound like a fundamentalist hoo haa to me as well.
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^ sad init. petraeus however is looking fwd to his pension, full social security and the 10k lecture circuit, may be even a 600k advance on book deal kind of near future. but then you may be referring to general.thompson or gen.clinton! :smile
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BB is still a best option for PM, keeping in view all her negative points. Mush should consider himself lucky if he can strike any deal with BB, in that case BB and her PPP would be biggest loosers in forthcoming elections, which would only benefit NS and his party. They may be the winners if impartial elections are held. NS would then start kick a$$ actions against many!