Al-Khalid is an amazing feat but wat about the missile program … the last I heard was they were planning of testing Shaheen II and were working on increasing the range of the missle to more then 3000km
Why is everything so quiet all of sudden …?
To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.
why would we need a missile with a 3000km range? Unless we are going against THEM now.
ICBM Target Coords: 27.500S, 153.017E
Our objectives are met, all of the enemy territory is within our range. The next phase is a sea/sub launch missile Abdali (thats me
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) and second strike capability. Note: In march Pak tested its exocet anti ship missile from Agosta sub. You can fire this missile when the sub is submerged. Now they are working on sea to land.
Beautiful! Beautiful! I love your thoughts. I love the way you think about THEM
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Now may not be the best time, but we WILL go after them and I think we will live to see it.
I have a question, if you attack any part of india, is pakistan not affected?
If so why is there a need to up grade the military even more?
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Originally posted by IB:
I have a question, if you attack any part of india, is pakistan not affected?
If so why is there a need to up grade the military even more?
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US and USSR with their great resources of skill and money had one of the best defense mechanism in place.
But in the end you know what was the best defnece measures they ever had and extremly simple?
Second and third strike capability which could eleminate the enemy from the face of the earth.
Having the capability to eleminate enemy into stone ages is already achieved, that is not the issue as we spaek that is history.
The issue is second and/or third strike.
well why stop at 1500km ? why not build ICBM's so US and Israel and other countries get a little anxious...?
Consquently, developing longer range missile means that our space program will benifit alot too. Launching satlites into space is something we could do then ourselves with slight adjustments...
To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.
Pakistan is dependent on borrowed money for every single breath, so it must take dictation from those institutions/countries. Thats why there's been a freez of test flights of all sorts for these missile programs. There's no country on earth which can say that "ok, we tested once and we are done now. we know it works" - it doesnt work this way, development/improvement needs a continous streak of real-life/time testing of the product and Pakistan is no exception either. But since we depend on others for our very basic needs of survival, we'd also have to swallow their dictation.
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Originally posted by lancerz:
Pakistan is dependent on borrowed money for every single breath, so it must take dictation from those institutions/countries. Thats why there's been a freez of test flights of all sorts for these missile programs. There's no country on earth which can say that "ok, we tested once and we are done now. we know it works" - it doesnt work this way, development/improvement needs a continous streak of real-life/time testing of the product and Pakistan is no exception either. But since we depend on others for our very basic needs of survival, we'd also have to swallow their dictation.
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almost every country is running on borrowed money (esp. 3rd world). even Saudi's budgets are negative since last decade... so? did Pakistan receive a dictation to perform Nuclear testing after India???
Did Pakistan receive dictation from somewhere for Al-Khalid Tanks??
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Changez_like:
** almost every country is running on borrowed money (esp. 3rd world). even Saudi's budgets are negative since last decade... so? did Pakistan receive a dictation to perform Nuclear testing after India???
Did Pakistan receive dictation from somewhere for Al-Khalid Tanks??
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Well said Changez_real_like..
BTW no one knows what is Pak upto this time.
Few years back ppl were saying the same about paks nuclear program.
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Mr. Abdali why would you want a second or third strike option, when you have already have the ability to destroy yourself and your enemy? Not to mention your neighbors.
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Originally posted by IB:
Mr. Abdali why would you want a second or third strike option, when you have already have the ability to destroy yourself and your enemy? Not to mention your neighbors.
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IB,
There are a few ways to deter/destroy your enemy. As long as your enemy knows that by destroying the first strike capability there will be a retaliation with second/third force. In case of India and Pak there is not enough warning time to detect an attack, react and strike back. So if some of your toys are taken out enough must be left to take out your enemy.
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Originally posted by Changez_like:
** almost every country is running on borrowed money (esp. 3rd world). even Saudi's budgets are negative since last decade... so? did Pakistan receive a dictation to perform Nuclear testing after India???
Did Pakistan receive dictation from somewhere for Al-Khalid Tanks??
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You have summed up very skillfully,...Pakistan doesn't need anybody's dictation to do anything,...Pakistan is fully capable of doing what it deems right.
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN......AND US.
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Originally posted by IB:
Mr. Abdali why would you want a second or third strike option, when you have already have the ability to destroy yourself and your enemy? Not to mention your neighbors.
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IB,
If you can kill you enemy with one bullet,...nothing wrong with having more than what you need,...simple is that.
Mr. Abdali as you said there is no time to react. Thus meaning that Pakistan would a dead zone, i.e. nothing could live in the area so why need a second or third strike when we are not around? For what retribution? If that is the case, there is no need to worry with Pakistan a dead zone many parts of India will be similarly affected. I personally think a couple of nuclear warheads are enough of a deterrent.
Mr. Tariq you said in another thread i am acting like someone i am not could you clarify what you meant by that?
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Originally posted by IB:
**Mr. Abdali as you said there is no time to react. Thus meaning that Pakistan would a dead zone, i.e. nothing could live in the area so why need a second or third strike when we are not around? For what retribution? If that is the case, there is no need to worry with Pakistan a dead zone many parts of India will be similarly affected. I personally think a couple of nuclear warheads are enough of a deterrent.
Mr. Tariq you said in another thread i am acting like someone i am not could you clarify what you meant by that?**
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If we take your logic USSR/USA made a mistake of maintaining an arsnal of 30K+ nuclear war heads.
You cannot kill 140 million ppl just like that and further India don't have that capability. In a war civilian targtes are secondary you take out nuclear sites first. But the idea is even if there is a premptive strike there must be enough left to take out your enemy. Thats why Pak has its missiles and nukes scatered all over Pak and most of them are mobil and solid fuel that gives an extra advantage.
oh boy!seems like the blood is running quite hing in ur veins!!! u represent the typical Pakistani mentality i.e high emotions would resolve all our issues
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borrowing money in itself insnt a big deal, as u said quite a few countries are upto it. But not every country is on the verge of bankruptcy like Pakistan, see the difference?? In Pakistan, govt. bends over backward and change its fiscal policies drastically to get a meager trench of $250 million, just for the sake of its own survival w/o giving a single hoot about the impact on common people.
Pakistan sure didnt take any dictation about nuclear testing, but you know it very well what happened later on, and common people are still paying for it. And as for Khalid tank, well rest assured if there was any international non-proliferation treaty about tanks just like missiles, you’d have seen some arm twisting in this field as well
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In the last one yr alone, India has conducted over 7 tests for a variety of its missile programs, how many tests Pakistan conducted?
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its the economics of few million dollars thats kicking in here, bro! wake up to the smell of coffee. Dont tell anybody the joke that in Pakistan, scientists make such superb missiles that they dont need any test flights for them
most of u are war mongers and self praisers. When the time come, you run with your tail in your legs. Remember 65 and 71. No I think you forgot as you all have very short memory.
Instead of writing long paras about the weaponery of Pak, do something 2 get rid of corrupt and derainged officials in Pak. Remeber what Iqbal said once:
dil ki azadi shahanshai, shikam e saman mout
faisala teray hathoun main hai, dil ya shikm
Don’t see the world through your eyes not all are arm chair Generals! I have lost loved ones in the conflict and I am sure there are many Guppies with a similar experience. As for 65 please read official report on ToI “Lost Victories” it may give you who had its butt kicked
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. Also find out more about Rann of Kutch…
Other than that don’t argue with an Indian/Hindu they are born with a flag of vijay in their hand.
yeah? I didn’t know… let me try to recall … hmmmmm was it India or USA who stole all the money while going thru process of division in 1947… hmmmmm let me think… I think it was only 2 Rupees and India was too hungry for those 2 Rupees… hmmmmmm.
As for missile testing… lets see how many hungry people are there in India.. hey, there is only one and his name is Vajpayee… oh, India is ALL RICH country.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?