England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

England look to Lillee
Cricinfo staff
December 17, 2005

Reeling from the loss of Troy Cooley, England are actively scouring the world for a replacement bowling coach, with their former tormenter Dennis Lillee high on the shopping list. **Pakistani Waqar Younis and Australian Bruce Reid are also on England’s list of potential candidates. **

“We will be casting our net wide in the recruitment process,” John Carr, director of cricket at the ECB, told The Sydney Morning Herald. Our commitment will be to find the best possible replacement for Troy. We’re quite open about our sincere disappointment that we’ve lost him. He’s an exceptional bowling coach."

Lillee has coached and helped develop many of Australia’s fast bowlers over the past 15 years - notably Glenn McGrath and Brett Lee - but left his position at the Australian Academy in November 2004 following a fallout with Cricket Australia.

“I’ll listen to any offer,” Lillee said. “I wouldn’t rule anything out, but it’s a hard one for me to comment on because this is the first time I’ve given it any thought. There’s nothing more I can say, really.”

Although not formally employed by Cricket Australia, he has continued to work with many of Australia’s fast bowlers who have sought him out for advice and training. England’s resurgence in the past 18 months is due in no small part to two Australians and a Zimbabwean: Rod Marsh, Cooley and Duncan Fletcher. Marsh was instrumental in co-ordinating and directing the ECB’s academy, and enlisted Cooley’s support in 2003 as a hands-on bowling coach. The results, in particular the development of a four-pronged fast-bowling attack, have been dramatic.

Fletcher said it was “a huge blow” to lose Cooley to Australia, especially on the back of a summer of unprecedented success: “Troy phoned me to say he was sorry about going and all I could do was to wish him well,” Fletcher told reporters in Pakistan. "It’s taken some time to put together a good management team with the right personalities and Troy’s ideas were very similar to mine.

"Now, just as we have achieved something big, he is on his way - and it’s a massive disappointment. He’s a proud Australian and when we go across there to defend the Ashes he’s going to be in the opposite camp. I knew he had been approached a couple of weeks ago, and he discussed it with me, but I left it to the ECB to negotiate with him.

“He has done a tremendous job for us and I was hoping to go through at least until the 2007 World Cup with him, but now we need to find the right person to take over quickly.”

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Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

If England contracts with waqar, PCB will once again prove that they are bunch of dopeheads who are trying to contract Mushtaq Ahmed as a bowling coach/assitant coach for Pakistan ignoring the legendary 2 W’s:smack2:

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

^ why only if england do then? why you want englandd to prove..so if engalnd dont contrat then he no good?

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

Serves the PCB right.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

I think PCB were close to hiring Waqar but I believe he asked for too much money...Waqar should help the Pakistani cricket team..but at a price which they can afford him...but if he does become bowling coach of England then it proves he cares more about money than country..and obviously the Engish Cricket Board can give him big bucks and luxarious.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

^ No it wasn't about money, he was offered a temporary position on probation rather than a full time contract. Which is pretty insulting to say the least, he was perfectly justified in turning it down.

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^ Thats true. The PCB Management is truely messed up.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

THe case of Waqar was never related to money, PCB have so much money these days that they can hire 11 coaches from all the test playing countires.

It was for the pride and respect of a legend. How can you offer some one as the like of Waqar to get a “1” series coach..

Now these dumbA$$ hired Musthaq as bowling :smack:

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Imagine Shoaib Akhter running in with a shortened (much) runup and bowling googlies....wow....all's well as long as poor Mushy gets paid, after all how will he be compensated for his lost foreign currency (Sterling) earnings....

I will be very pleased if Waqar gets this assignment with England, a fine player with an excellent track record and a true ambassador for Pakistan. We should wih him the best. As for the PCB, well for them its my MIDDLE Finger....:D

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well ECB is showing how a true cricket body is supposed to be run, by competant and qualified people, these people who r imbedded in the pcb are the generals choochays, nice guys but they dont know how to run the board. telling some1 like waqar to coach for 1 series is pathetic, i think pcb did that 2 c how he would gell in the dressing room, not the money factor, i think pcb is very scared of hiring n e 1 who will bring politics into the dressing room.mushtaq seemed to have gelled weel thats y he is there. having said that we can see now inzi is fully in charge of the dressing room and no1 can derail that!! They can still hire waqar to work with the battery of young talented fast bowlers, asif,sami, gul amog others!

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

Read carefully what I wrote

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

grrrr…PCB just stinks,wasting away their money on stupid foreign coaches :mad3:

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

^ I really hope you are talking about Richard Pybus here, and no one else.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

I think ACB also had Waqar on their list after the Ashes lost. They wanted to learn reverse swing and for that, he is the master. Don't think they formally asked him, though. Pity that PCB haven't taken advantage of his bowling experience.

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Perhaps the reason they choose Mustaq was that he is a "qualified" coach. PCB now wants to employ or contract “qualified” coaches. Qualified as in who have attended coaching courses and I believe Mustaq is a Level 3 or 4 coach. I understand there are only 3 highest level qualified Pakistanis and Mustaq is one of them along with Iqbal Sikander and Saleem Altaf or someone with that kind of name.
I don’t think PCB would hesitate if Waqar or any other former Pakistani player qualifies as a professional coach. I think that would greatly improve their employment chances with other boards as well.

Now I am sure there will be people arguing that Waqar does not need a coaching course and he is natural. But what is the harm in learning. Who knows he might learn something new or a better way of coaching. We all know he is a great bowler but that he has to prove him self as a bowling coach. A lot of research and effort has been put to develop these coaching courses. Having personally attended Level 1 course it is so much more than knowing how to bat bowl. It is more about how to analysis and how to find the best way to get the player play in a better way.

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[quote=“the_paindoo”]
Perhaps the reason they choose Mustaq was that he is a “qualified” coach. PCB now wants to employ or contract “qualified” coaches. Qualified as in who have attended coaching courses and I believe Mustaq is a Level 3 or 4 coach. I understand there are only 3 highest level qualified Pakistanis and Mustaq is one of them along with Iqbal Sikander and Saleem Altaf or someone with that kind of name.
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I don’t think Mushtaq Ahmed has any coaching qualifications. You may have got confused with Mushtaq Mohammed, he has number of coaching qualifications.

The other Pakistanis whom have got coaching qualifications I am aware are Wasim Raja, iqbal Sikander etc, certainly Mushtaq Ahmed does NOT have any coaching qualifications. If my information is wrong than please correct me.

Mushtaq Ahmed by playing county cricket must have picked up lots of ideas and coaching/training methods by playing alongside professional coaches which I suppose could be useful but how successful he is time will tell.

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Darren Gough has also been mentioned as one of possibility as taking over the bowling coach but he also has no coaching qualifications.

I was reading comments by Duncan Fletcher in one of UK's tabloid newspapers where he states that he prefers to have canidates for the position to have coaching qualifications and strong technical background i.e. video analysis.

Waqar Younis does he fulfill the criteria as a bowling coach? It's not about how good a player he has been or the level he has played.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

Mushtaq Mohammed, brother of the great Hanif Mohammed, Nazar Mohammed and Sadiq Mohammed played for Pakistan in the sixeties and seventies. Leg Break Bowler and middle order batsman who also captained Pakistan very successfully and now runs cricket coaching institute in Dubai.

Mushtaq Ahmed, Leg break bowler, Period.

Next time, better make sure you have the right person before passing sentencing on others.

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[quote=“Rock_Express”]

You are right. Sorry i did not read carefully. It is Mustaq Mohammed that is qualified and not Mustaq Ahmed. I thought they were contacting Mustaq Mohammed.

Re: England seek replacement coach - Lillee and Waqar top the list

According to Waqar Younis this is a rumour. During the 4th odi @ pindi, Paul Allott asked him about this and he said that he was baffled as no formal approach had been made.