England has evolved into a country that is built on colour and creed with no values

FLAG WAVING, TUB THUMPING AND SOCIAL UNREST. THAT’S JUST NOT CRICKET

I have long wondered about supporters and how they forge their alliances to sporting teams. In the case of domestic football teams it is a combination of where you are from, family heritage, peer pressure or you simply follow the best team at the time - hence we have a new breed of Chelsea fans who have allegedly supported them all their lives, gaw bless you me old cockney etc. These lifelong fans will have been Liverpool fans in the 1980’s, Manchester United fans in the 1990’s, fleetingly Newcastle fans until they saw the light, then Arsenal supporters and now Chelski - so named because of their Russian influences. The implications of this are minimal unless you happen to be a mindless thug who enjoys a bit of a fist fight on a Saturday afternoon. However when it comes to choosing your national allegiances, then the whole situation becomes a potential tinderbox that will explode at any time.

Asians in the UK are generally quite clever in that they say they support a particular football team, but you rarely see them at any games. I know because many times I have been the only brown face at a Luton Town match and have many times wondered what the hell I am doing there. I have always found it amazing that the terrace theologians are happy to make monkey chants at the opposition black players but are friendly towards their own - “its not 'is fault he’s black is it?” My own football supporter days ended when I followed England to the 1998 World Cup in France and witnessed four days of rioting between the French, North Africans, English and police in Marseilles, South of France. Enough is enough I thought and went back to supporting Luton Town and England from the comfort of my armchair. But it is England that I continue to support, even though the behaviour of certain members of the country embarrasses me beyond belief.

I find it incredible that people who are born and bred in a certain country then choose to support another country in sport, to the extent that they will support their historical country against the country that has provided them an education and a home for all of their lives. Whilst this is rife in England, though oddly enough not as much in Scotland or Wales, it also happens in other countries - take Australia as an example where second and third generation Australians from European descent follow Greece or Croatia instead of Australia.

Let us take lovely old Blighty as an example - green fields, old pubs, real ale, the good old queen, history, jolly good show and all that jazz. Let us take lovely old Blighty as an example - posh types chasing defenseless foxes through fields, youths mugging old ladies, a complete lack of basic manners, being a Bush-puppet and chavs beating up people on the street. Who would you support given the choice - or indeed should there be a choice?

Quite clearly there is a serious synergy between social unrest and feelings of injustice especially in a country like England where blame-culture is rife. So when English-born Asians support the Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan cricket sides against England, then surely this is like a red rag to a bull for the less liberal occupants of the country - or are they right? After all England provided these people with a home, an education and a support system in addition to the values they were taught by their faith, family and heritage - in essence they have the best of both worlds. However, to repay that support by blatantly supporting another side against England is hardly fair and smacks of a grave disrespect towards the country of their birth.

On the other hand, what about the ghetto culture that has evolved in England over the past ten years - is this the cause or effect of Asians, amongst others, not feeling part of the country of their birth. Perhaps the indigenous population has not done enough to make the Asian migrants welcome or perhaps the migrants just wanted to live their own lives with their own people. The simple truth of the matter is that for some reason both sides are totally disaffected by each other and there is a complete ‘them and us’ culture which is expressed through cricket. By not supporting England in any sport, British-born Asians are using the game of cricket to wave their flags and show their allegiances towards the country of their father’s or grand-father’s birth against the country that has given them an education. Even worse, some of these guys have never been to India and indeed are Africans - Kenya play cricket, why not support them?

The crux of the matter is this - England has evolved into a country that has no values and is fast becoming like the USA where communities are built on colour and creed. British-born Asians feel more at home in their ‘own’ communities with their ‘own’ people and seek to expression their dissatisfaction through not supporting England at cricket. I personally think that it’s completely wrong to not support a country that has supported you. But there again I have never lived in a community and been subjected to peer pressure.

From Foreign!

Sanjay Murthy

CricketNext


Well, I, for one, was quite perplexed to read this article, really. Amongst other notable concerns which has been raised in this issue (coming from one desi - living in foreign land and conditions - to another), it certainly begs the question of all questions:

Should or should not, an individual, who is permanently positioned and situated in far-off alien and distant locations (UK/USA), have a clear and concise right to cheer his/her home team over any other? Is it really a detestable crime and a punishable sin to support “foreign” teams? Is an individual not doing any justice and righteousness whatsoever to the country where he/she is currently living in (and has lived for almost the entire lives), by not supporting the nation that has bred him, served him the finest and made him proud? Besides from resisting to provide the support for one’s own home team, the entire worth of years of education and the amount of money that is generated into a person’s pocket by a country where diversity is a thing of the past, does that hold no value and meaning? Where exactly should the line be drawn, in this instance? Most importantly, where do you, as a cricket fan, stand on this issue?

Thoughts/Concerns/Questions/Opinions?

Re: England has evolved into a country that is built on colour and creed with no values

Dhobi_bhai
A beautiful article by Sanjay Murthy from Cricketnext. I read it with great intent. Thanks for sharing..
It's really amazing that UK has such a high proportion of Asian immigrants. Many of them have kids which make their kids British born Asians. When I say Asians, I mean Pakistanis, Indians, Bagalis and Sri Lankans. So, in most families, the tradition of back home is very strong. It's in our roots to deeply respect the culture where we originated. That is, if my dad is from Pakistan and I was born in the UK, chances are that I'll be quite conducive to Pakistan when they play England in any game as Cricket, just because it's inherited from my parent's. Their love is my love. Does it mean that I'm treating my home(UK) as a traitor? Absolutely Not!!..
There are many people who think that you should support your country on what so ever issue, doesn't matter where your roots are from. But in our desi culture, we have tight knit families and odds are against us to not be supportive of our parents land. It might seem to the readers that I prefer some foreign land over my birth country but that's only part of it. The point I'm trying to make is love for your parents land is as important to me(or us) as to our birth country.

On the other hand, you have many people who do it just for showing that they are not part of the UK/US society where they are born and given the best nurturing possible. I'm against the people who show hatred by supporting some other team rather than theirs just because they think they are mistreated by their fellow Britons/Americans. This doesn't solve the problem. You have to step up in the society and for that, you got to make your point by getting in the ladder of economics and politics in a society.

Also, love for the place where I'm born is as great and well respected If I also love the place from where my parents are. Love develops when you share it. It doesn't backfire. We have many people in our culture who just forget their background. I'm not one of those but I love from where I came(Pakistan) and where I am(US)...

My cousins, who are born in the UK, they support Pak when Pak plays Eng. Does it make them less patriotic to UK? Absolutely not. Maybe, they like Pak because they think they make a better team or just because they feel more closer to their parents/their original society than where they are. Maybe, it's just how they grow up with. The closer you are to your parents, the closer you support your blood country but that has nothing to do with love. You don't draw lines just because you support one team over the other team but you look at the differences for why it happens.. What makes people do that???

Any comments/suggestions, I'm always open....
Umer

Re: England has evolved into a country that is built on colour and creed with no values

Umer Bhai, another one of your top-notch brilliant posts. A well superb read!

Re: England has evolved into a country that is built on colour and creed with no values

Well i was born in Pakistan and partly raised there but spent the bigger part of life til yet in Germany ..... however i never supported Pakistan Hockey Team whenever they played Germany since i live in Germany ...... my Wife thought that's not correct but i think otherwise in this regard ...... well there r two other sports at which both countries will never (atleast not in my life i guess) face-off ..... footbal and Cricket ...... Germany too weak in cricket ...... Pakistan too weak in Football ...... it's only Hockey that provides a dilemma for my family :D

But i would like to die the day i forget where i come from ..... on the otherhand i think the way u live and deal with ur environment defines what and who u r

England has evolved into a country that is built on colour and creed with no values

Upon reading the exceptional quality of the two posts that this thread eventually generated, it seems as if the roots of the discussion has just started to begun.


England cricket team enjoys growing Pakistani fan base

LONDON: Cricket fan Zahoor Qureshi, like a growing number of British Pakistanis, will sport the red and white of England rather than the green of Pakistan when a new Test series swings into action this week.

In a sign that some Asians living in Britain are starting to pass an infamous “cricket test” of national loyalty, Qureshi and his 13-year-old son say they prefer to support the England squad over the tourists.

Many more people, however, will be waving green flags for Pakistan as the two sides clash in the first Test of a four-match series starting at London’s Lord’s Cricket Ground on July 13.

This, they argue, is not proof of treachery to the country in which they live and prosper, but of a deep-rooted sense of pride for the nation of their forefathers when it comes to the traditional game of cricket. “I have to support England. As much as I love the land of my parents this is my adopted country,” said Qureshi, 39, a manufacturing systems consultant from London who moved to Britain from Pakistan when he was 12.

Qureshi, who is also president of the Islamic Society in Britain, said second generation British Pakistanis like himself and their third generation children often felt closer to England than Pakistan.

“For many people this is it, England is their home, there is no going back. They have love for England as much as our parents have for their own respective countries,” he said. “There is a genuine change, my son also wants to go and support England against Pakistan.”

Former minister Norman Tebbit, once a close ally of ex-prime minister Margaret Thatcher, invented the “cricket test” or “Tebbit test” in 1990 when he infamously spoke about the supposed split loyalties of immigrants to Britain. His theory, which caused uproar at the time, stated that a person could only be classed as truly British if he or she supported England at cricket.

Professor Mohammad Anwar, of the Centre for Research in Ethnic Relations at the University of Warwick, strongly disagreed, arguing that it was impossible to judge an immigrant’s Britishness on the cricket team he or she backed. “The main thing is that 99.9 percent of these people regard themselves as British Pakistanis and British Muslims. That British (factor) is important for identity and loyalty,” he said.

At the same time, Anwar noted that more and more second and third generation British Asians were rooting for England when it came to the crunch. In the 1970s to 1990s, many Pakistanis living in Britain suffered racist abuse, which discouraged them from wanting to support England at anything. Some claim they were discouraged from joining cricket clubs because of the colour of their skin, while others tried to support England but were laughed at for doing so.

In addition, the British press fuelled racist sentiment and there were barely any Asian faces on the England cricket team. Khalid Hussain, a teacher in his early 40s who lives in Yorkshire, northern England, was born in Britain to Pakistani parents and has always supported Pakistan at cricket. “I do fail the ‘Tebbit test’ and I am pretty proud to fail it,” he said, noting that Britons living in Australia would also flunk, as they would never back Australia over England.

“We, as a minority people, should strictly believe in the rules of the country we live in but equally we should not then lose our culture and background,” Hussain said. He had a tough time growing up in Britain because of racism, but said attitudes were changing, with British Pakistanis being made to feel more welcome and many British Asians, such as India-born former England captain Nasser Hussain, playing cricket for the country. “As a result, my kids certainly don’t support Pakistan, they support England,” Hussain said.

Ultimately, it does not matter whether British Pakistanis want England or Pakistan to win they are all still British citizens at heart, said Naeem Akhtar, an IT analyst who runs a website for Pakistan cricket fans. “Being British isn’t just supporting the team, it is more about your way of thinking,” said Naeem, who is a life-long Pakistan supporter despite moving to Britain as a child.

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What are your thoughts, as an individual, on this particular challenging yet very sensitive issue. For those folks who are currently situated in England, do you feel that you now have the capability to access this situation in a more different manner than your predecessors/forefathers?

Any/all sides of the coin are more than welcome to participate.