Engineers Help Me!

I am presently enrolled in my senior engineering design project class!!! We are a group of three students, one computer engineer (urs truely) and two electrical engineers (both gora friends).

An angineer from a company called ‘Stryker Instruments’ (Stryker corp) has invited us as he wants us to do a project that stryker would sponsor. This is what he wrote…

Hello Khurram,
Would your group be available next Mon. or Tue. for a meeting.
I would like to discuss your project interests and backgrounds.
The project I have in mind would be a generation 2 for the motor test
monitor.
Chris

Now I need advice on how to talk to him i.e. what issues should I bring up? If I do not think his project is appropriate, should I mention that to him, and ask for alternative projects etc? Should I just let him do all the talking? Im nervous because the company would be paying us about $10,000 for the project. Im sure a lot of you must have been in similar positions before, so your advice would be appreciated!!!

Spock, not sure if I understand the situation correctly, but is it that you are enrolled in your senior project class and for that class you have to do a project. You are allowed to work with companies if they sponsor you and work on their projects.

This company Stryker has offerred your team to do this project and will also pay you 10,000 dollars for it. [btw WOW thats great :) ]

And the problem is that you are not interested in the project? Because? It does not match your academic interest? You think you are underqualified to take it on?

Did your professor hook you guys up with Stryker or has your team contacted Stryker itself?

Sorry for so many questions, just trying to get a clearer picture before saying anything :)

From the response of Mr. Chris it seems like you three guys did submitted or offered company for your interest of doing a project for them.
It’s just a call for all three where he may decide hearing your plan; either you guys are talented and responsible enough for the job award.
In short he wants to interview, observing your interest, approach and confidence for the project.
Write back, with detail the way you guys approach, contacted or rendered your services earlier to company. Or check me out at Digichat late night.
With keeping this vision and scenario I will get back to you with details how to tackle suck kind of meeting.

Regards,

YKKB.

Spock,

First of all, thank him for his consideration. Act in a very professional manner - approach in a way just like you would for a job offer... ask him to provide more details about the project. After knowing more about the project and his expectations, the group should get together and list the skills inventory and decide if this is what you guys are interested in doing. Make sure you have the necessary skills to accomplish the task/design/project.

I wish you all the best. Let me know if you have any questions.

Wasim
BS Electrical & Computer Engr.
Hardware Engineer - SNL

Thank you so much for your replies guys (irem, Ykkb, wasim21), I really appreciate it. I know I was a bit vague in my post, so I will try to elaborate again...

Our computer/electrical engineering program has this sequence of two semester class called Senior Design Engineering I and senior design engineering project II. In part I, we have to do all the paperwork, come up with the written proposal and project report, and in the second class we actually build the hardware.

Now this guy from Stryker Instruments is also an engineer and he offers projects to students every year in regards to this class, and yes I did contact him for the availalibility of projects.

Irem, actually we are not being paid $10,000 for it, its the sponsorship cost, i.e. money we can use on building the hardware. For instance, if we need to buy some microcontroller for our project, we can use that money to buy one.

Now here is the deal, last semester this guy had a group from our university working on a first generation motor tester, and I think he will assign a similar project to us, except it will be generation two. I was confused whether or not I should ask him for any alternative projects he might have, or readily accept his offer of taking this particular project. Wouldn't the latter sound a little unthankful?

Also, should I be very formal? i.e. dressed up formally and all? I want to give him the impression that I am very serious about the project, and will work very hard on it. I am also thinking of taking my curriculam's course listing marked with the courses I have done, so that he knows what skills/knowledge I have.

Once again, thank you for your input!!!

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Mr. Chris seems very easy going. I think you should just go meet him and chat about the project and your interests. Dress for the meeting but don't overkill yourself in appearance. Talking to a student who has already done his/her project with the same company would help. And be prepared to answer any technical questions he might ask.

on the contrary if Chris is a person who consistently has been able to provide sponsorships for projects to your school, then he may very well be the type of person who has a good network of contacts, and at least some level of authority in his company etc. You may want to be a lil more formal - i.e. dress business casual... instead of taking a course listing, I would take an "academic portfolio" that presents the courses you have taken so far at school, significant projects you have completed, technical reports you have written, and presentations you have done.

Although Chris would not have the time to go through everything you put in your portfolio, in my experience, these types of things tend to go on the employer's desk and on one day or another, they would glance by it without you knowing it.

So my say is that you dress business casual with a tie, take your resume' (this is where you should somehow list what projects you would like to work on), and the academic portfolio.

w.r.t. the selection of work... give him a chance to speak to his ideas first, and then prompt him politely to see if his company is working on anything else that may be of interest to you. Wasim's suggestion to talk to someone who worked on Gen. 1 of the motor test monitor would be helpful. In addition to your own research about the company's products and the R&D activities, this person would be able to tell you what other projects did he/she come across while working on the project with Stryker, and that would give you an idea of what else may be out there.

Again, in my experience what works best is if you take the approach where you impress upon the employer that these are things you know they're working on... and you're interested in a specific project. That shows them that you've indeed done your homework, and you're interested in working with them.

Last but not the least, do these activities with the other two people you are working with - the last thing in R&D you want to project is a "me" vision... if you work out the details of your approach to present your ideas to Chris and what questions you are going to ask him as a group... it will work to your advantage.

Good Luck! you'll do just fine inshaAllah.

Spock thanks for answering the questions…it seems like everyone has covered all the main points…i have actually never done a job interview in my life so i am not the best person to answer but i was just going to suggest in case ur prof is the mediator that u could always go to him for help n advice and facilitation in communication with the company…

i think you should go ahead and ask mr Chris very politely and nicely that IN CASE something else is avlbl to offer that, but if not then you will be happy to do this one as you are interested in this one too but wanted to consider all options since this is ur senior project and something u will be working on for months…

no point in accepting to spend the semster doing something u dont like…ask very nicely and politely…no harm i think…it definitely wont sound ungrateful…u dont owe them something coz this is a professional environment and …i am sure u r not the only benefitting from your team doing the proj for him…

abt the dress, i’ve seen most ppl do dress up in atleast semi formal wear for interviews…i would say khakis and a dress shirt w/ formal shoes would be ok w/o tie, dont go in jeans and a tee shirt but dont dress too formal either…thats what i’ve seen students on campus doing…

just my two cents…

BEST OF LUCK!!! just be urself and dont worry, inshallah u’ll do great :k: :slight_smile:

Stryker Instruments,

If this is the same company which has offered for meeting then Stryker Instruments of Kalamazoo has been named Western Michigan University's 2002-03 Employer of the Year for helping students.
The company, a division of the Kalamazoo-based Stryker Corp., is recognized around the globe as a leader in developing, manufacturing and marketing specialty surgical and medical products. It was selected for the award by Career & Student Employment Services in WMU's Division of Student Affairs

Well I would like to divert the conversation with reference to queries, focusing the solutions to above.

Understand why you will be sitting in that meeting chair, Many candidates make the mistake of thinking that the meeting or interviews is a chance to present a laundry list of qualifications and then sit back and see if that’s what the company wants .
In actually the person interviewing you, needs something and they are trying to find out if you can fill that need or product with your help. Perhaps the company is suffering from a lack of good product and they found the potential could be filled by you or your team. May be they need some one who can do all of these things and from your submission you look like the just the person who can do it.

Luckily there s a simple way to find out what the company needs, ask them. Even if the job award is simple ask what kinds of problems they have been having.
Ask what they want it as different , ask what kind of technology need to be implemented.
Its standard advice to throw out questions during an interview, but don’t make up irrelevant questions just to look good. Instead have a real conversation about whats happening with the company and how can you help. Through you will get an idea about what’s the requirement and what Stryker Instruments foresee to over come difficulties which are faced cropping up in the today’s technology.

This leads to that next point, are you articulating your experience in the right way?
Its easy to blather on about accomplishments we have all done it but the risk of losing the interviewers attention is pretty high by doing this. The better tactic is to discuss your experience in relation to what the company needs and reference what the overviews has said when doing it.

If I were you Spock, then I would look meeting or interview with Mr. Chris in two separate phases covering overall topics of concern, before and during the time of conversation.

Understanding projects with respect to contracts, If its project then project management and its life cycle.
Building projects from reviewing stakeholders need and assessing the company, Creating smart objectives which should be specific, measurable, realistic and time constrained with functional and technical requirement.
Documentation, Building the project plan using the project requirement, evaluating and managing risk.
Determining the project s validity with respect to benefit and cost ratios and today’s monetary value.

Spock, Job awards comes to capable people who have responsibility matrix, source of authority, Leadership and communication skills and managing team dynamics with characteristics of successful team.
Planned for techniques, defining work break down structures, Structural or layout diagram of Motor or etc. Expressing cost estimating techniques for building project budgets.
Keeping the project in control with change procedure and Evaluation, tracking varitiation cost and time and documentation and project reporting.
Closing out the conversation with positive results, defining view of project success with respect to customers acceptance or performance, meeting all contractual obligations and transferring lessons learned from past projects and contracts.

Important Things : Remember this is your chance to shine! An enthusiastic presenter will gain a better attention that an unenthusiastic one! The basic strategy is good planning followed by practice. Practice your talk beforehand, if necessary with your friendly bathroom mirror.
This can be nerve-wracking if you have not had any experience of it beforehand.

What to Wear It is best to wear solid and formal, and no flashy casual clothes. Among professionals your first impression is your last one.
Introduction …. With - background, objectives, and motivation existing work and It is good if you can talk a bit slower than you usually do. If you can, allow a second or two after your first words, for the picture to "catch up" with you. This is especially helpful to gets attention with soft voices. Speak in complete sentences.
Use any new vocabulary words you may have learned, but be sure you can pronounce them and that you know what they mean. Speak with a clear voice so that everyone can hear.

Look directly, Be as calm as possible. This is how you will maintain eye contact during conversation assure of his presence and attentiveness. Try to show that you have confidence in your work.

If your team is planning for Presentation It is best if you keep your graphics simple and interesting. Use large, bold fonts. Try to use just bullets and phrases, rather than long sentences. . Use pictures and clip art that enhance the text. Presentations should cover in a time range, should not be under or over time.

After meeting Finally comes to a follow up note a step that overlooked far too often. A simple “ thank you “ is never misdirected .
Prospective employers appreciate the extra thought and attention , especially if it is not a standard thank you note. If you want he job award put some work into it by describing your strength again and stressing your experience anew. If you walked out of the meeting thinking of ways you could help the company. Then that’s even better. Reference the conversation and expand on yours answers in the follow up letter which will show up taht you not only not paid attention to the person across the table, but also thought about what Mr. Chris was saying.

Learn to turn the interview into a talk rather than a monologue and following up properly, can make the difference between a career or nothing at all.!!!!

I would like to say Irem, Wasim and Umer have some valid points too mentioned above in their reply, so you have more suggestions then before.

Spock , I wish you best, but expects the best from you, please do come back announcing that you conquered availing the job award. Don’t look for the award, but do for accomplishing challenge. Succeeding, outclassing, everyone in your class or department, look forward with high motivation the challenge which may lead you to a long lasting career with the company, as you never know.

I will look forward for your success my friend, my Allah bless you with strength to achieve destined target, and still you need any help, please do not hesitate at all writing back to me.

Regards,

YKKB.

Spock, for what it's worth:

a) Ensure you have understood Stryker's feedback on the gen-1 product & process

b) Have some out of the box options developed in your mind for possible alternate methods as well as applications

c) I'm sure there's no need to tell you this - listen listen listen

d) If you're not absolutely clear about something - don't assume or be shy; just ask again politely

irem, umar, sawyer, wasim and especially YKKB, thank you so much for your help. I cant tell you how much I am indebted to you guys for your excellent advices. Thanks to you guys, I have done all the homework, before this meeting, which is to take place on Tuesday.

YKKB, your advice of not speaking too swiftly came at the right time, as alot of people (including americans) have sometimes told me that I speak too fast sometimes, and I didnt know about this. Hopefully, I will try to speak slowly and calmly, so that the engineer at Stryker does not have a hard time to comprehend what I am saying. Rest of your advices, I have taken note, and I am so glad I posted this here, as now Im better equipped. I also did some research in second generation motors. I tried to read about Stryker's perspective on Generation One motors (tom sawyer advised that) but couldnt find anything from their website, so I read about about the version WhirlPool implemented. There was some stuff that we studied in Alevel physics a while back, such as 'The Hall Effect' in magnestism, that I needed to brush up.

Thanks for the wishes, I will let you know how the meeting went on Tuesday evening.

Sincerely

Khurram

I had a meeting today with Chris, and Im pleased to say that it went very well (thanks to all you guys for the help) and we are going to work for Stryker Instruments in our Senior Design Project. We are going to design a Second Generation Motor, a small device, which can measure the temeperature, voltage, current, eddy currents, hall effect voltage, rpm, torque of a motor by placing it near a motor... The data acquisiting will be done using a DSP processor... We got access to the lab at stryker, we got our own swipe cards, we can go in the building anytime, use the labs and their documentation. The engineer there was also a very nice guy, a graduate from purdue, and very helpful.

congratulations Spock... the project sounds very practical... something that can be listed in one's portfolio - and having done a real sized project for a company like Stryker helps too.

My very best wishes to you and your team!

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congratulations Spock... the project sounds very practical... something that can be listed in one's portfolio - and having done a real sized project for a company like Stryker helps too.

My very best wishes to you and your team!
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Thanks alot Umar... When he showed us the generation 1 project that some students previously built, all three of us were a bit scared, as it looked like alot of work in its fabricated form, and plus we were supposed to do generation 2 which is supposed to be harder, but then he went over everything, as if he sensed our fear, and made everything clear. I must say engineers can judge other engineers really well. The torque sensor portion is still difficult, as even he said we would need the help of a mechanical engineering student, so we might leave that out.

Spock, which school do you go to?

Great to know things went well :slight_smile: Best of luck to you guys :k:

Me Back, after a long spell, It was the first day when I concentrated focusing some leftover posts, Sorry about that! I would have replied earlier but job schedules wont permit at all.

Yesterday I just learned that you got the project with Stryker Instrumentals. Congratulations! I know how strongly you felt about the issue, and how you worked on developing your project.

Your determination to reach your goal has been admirable. This honor indicates a promising future for you, advancing with this company. I am really glad to learn this as you embark on your next exciting adventure. Now, it is the right time, when real challenge starts. Setup a good example of how commitments are important for you with your work then you will see soon how hard work pay off.

Make your achievement as an symbol for new comers .We wish you the very best. May your future efforts be equally successful and rewarding.

Once again, please feel free to write back if you need any help or Information. I wont be around here a lot this fourth quarter, you can communicate with me via email.

Regards,

YKKB.

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Me Back, after a long spell, It was the first day when I concentrated focusing some leftover posts, Sorry about that! I would have replied earlier but job schedules wont permit at all.

Yesterday I just learned that you got the project with Stryker Instrumentals. Congratulations! I know how strongly you felt about the issue, and how you worked on developing your project.

Your determination to reach your goal has been admirable. This honor indicates a promising future for you, advancing with this company. I am really glad to learn this as you embark on your next exciting adventure. Now, it is the right time, when real challenge starts. Setup a good example of how commitments are important for you with your work then you will see soon how hard work pay off.

Make your achievement as an symbol for new comers .We wish you the very best. May your future efforts be equally successful and rewarding.

Once again, please feel free to write back if you need any help or Information. I wont be around here a lot this fourth quarter, you can communicate with me via email.

Regards,

YKKB.
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Thanks YKKB, im enjoying the work environment there. Working under an engineer and working under professors are two very different things, atleast thats what my initial feelings are. The engineer, Mr. Philipp is truely a very remarkable guy, hes been working at Stryker Instruments for 20 years and is a graduate from Purdue. In our second visit, he showed us around Stryker Instruments, gave a demonstration of the various surgical products that they made. He has also assigned my group a station in the double E lab, and has also assigned us stations where we can use the full version of ORCAD to work on the circuit schematics. Right now we are just testing the infrared and torque sensors that we are to use, paying particular attention to the handshaking protocols with the microcontroller that we have to use. The other day an interesting debate amongst the senior engineers popped up while we were working and I asked a question as to whether the IR temperature sensors would work inside a motor with vacuum (eventhough their motors arent in a vacuum). Now we all know that heat needs a medium to propogate, but then again, IR does not, and the senior engineers discussed this.