Re: Energy from Dung in Karachi?!
Mostar95,
Agreed with what you are saying. That price of milk is the price fixed by Mustafa Kamal of Karachi but when you go to buy from milk shop FARID
His price of milk is Rs. 28-30 per litre! But even the price of Rs. 32-34 is to exorbitant! I used to good quality milk in London for just 1.51 pounds for 3.5 litres!
Re: Energy from Dung in Karachi?!
are you saying that as an average sindhis are less laborous than non sindhis? do you have any empirical data for that? If so..what is the root cause, is it lack of education. lack of opportunity, lack of motivation compared to others, what is it?
I think the occupation by British probably changed their mindset! Before the British occupation, Thatta and Keti Bander used to very modern cities. If we look at the hostorical buildings and the great Makli graveyard, we may come to the conclusion that they were not built by any ordinary nation. Those people were very educated and experts in different fields.
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ZA Bhutto, AK Brohi, JA Rahim, Dr Hameeda Khurro are just a few examples of hard working achievers.
Reason why u saw other ethnic people working in Sindh also has to do with Sindhi hospitality, peace loving life style and big heart.
I wont differ this!
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Yes I saw no animals roaming in Karachi. FARID
Bhaijan, this is sign of progress.
God Bless Syed Mustafa Kamal. :D
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I think the occupation by British probably changed their mindset! Before the British occupation, Thatta and Keti Bander used to very modern cities. If we look at the hostorical buildings and the great Makli graveyard, we may come to the conclusion that they were not built by any ordinary nation. Those people were very educated and experts in different fields.
I dont understand, so you are saying that during british occupation they had different circumstances compared to others under the Raj? also the brits left in 47, what has hapened since then?
Thank You
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Bhaijan, this is sign of progress.
God Bless Syed Mustafa Kamal. :D
Yep, he has cleaned a lot of sh1t up from the streets of Karachi in the last couple of years. :)
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Hmm.. discussion got quite carried away so I'll just get back to topic :).
As far as I am concerned it is a great idea to utilize dung for energy. Pakis produce a LOT of it and it is good if we can use it for energy. By the way a problem I have is that our sewers don't work, if the sewers work properly we can make another use of dung like Dubai does - refine it and use it as fertilizers for roadside shrubs, the runoff sewerage water is used for watering those plants.
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Hmm.. discussion got quite carried away so I'll just get back to topic :). Dubai does - refine it and use it as fertilizers for roadside shrubs, the runoff sewerage water is used for watering those plants.
This is alraedy being done in Karachi for the last 20 years!
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I dont understand, so you are saying that during british occupation they had different circumstances compared to others under the Raj? also the brits left in 47, what has hapened since then?
Thank You
Well I am not sure. These are my observations! Something caused their decline. We only see few Sindhies working in the private sector in Karachi. Furhtermore, there are no entreprenurs among them here - we see only memons, chinoties, ohter punjabies and some urdu speaking people doing business in Karachi.
P.S. And why did you stay "thank you"
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I am a polite kind of guy :) i asked you a question in an attempt to learn more, in giving me an answer you are sharing knowkedge thatI was seeking, so thanking you in advance for sharing the knowledge and/or entertaining my inquiry.
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This is alraedy being done in Karachi for the last 20 years!
Oh really? Doesn't look like the situation to me..
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All the trees and plants on the roads of Karachi are fed by this sewerage treated water in Karachi as well as many parks in the city. I went to watch a local hockey match at the Bagh-e-Qaid-e-Azam (the polo ground) back in 1988. There they have put water in a "tanki'. Not knowing then, I drank that water. Within half an hour I began to vomit and had several loose/watery motions. Later I got typhoid! That was that dirty brid buddy!
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^^ 
Bhaijan perhaps you’re a bit confused. The sewerage water isn’t specifically used to serve water plants and gardens. It’s just that our beautiful city’s sewerage systems are so messed up that in many areas of the city the normal tap water is often mixed with gadla sewerage ka pani. During the August '06 showers (I was on vacation over there), my aunt took out a dish to prepare some food in it and as she turned on the kitchen tap a thick layer - about roughly 1/2 cm - layer of mud settled down in the dish. Yuck.
Or were you just being sarcastic?
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No yar I am not confused! I am 100% clear. If you happen to pass the Star Gate at the airport, you will see a sewerge treatment plant. Another is in DHA on Malir River. The last one is in Pak Colony on Lyari River. Everyday tankers filled with this treated water can be seen on Karachi raods watering the plants and trees over there with a clear warning on the tankers that the water is only for gardening and not for use.
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Have you guys watched the movie, Fight Club in which Brad Pitt and Edward Norton use human fat to make soap and sell it to the same people whose fat it was....:)
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Have you guys watched the movie, Fight Club in which Brad Pitt and Edward Norton use human fat to make soap and sell it to the same people whose fat it was....:)
And how did they extract the fat from those "same people"?
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Abey yar sewerage treatment plants are something else.. treatment plants “treat” the dirty water, i.e. neutralize it, and then release it into rivers and streams, that’s what’s being done here in Canada and elsewhere. Perhaps you’re talking about simple water tankers, they gather water from rivers and streams and then use it for gardening; they pretty much get the water from the same places as drinking water. Drinking water/ water for human use is usually treated in some way (sedimented, chlorined etc.) before being sent into taps, whereas this water isn’t, that’s the difference.
The kind of thing that I am talking about - refining sewerage water and then transferring it to park and garden showers - is a fairly new technology and is being used in the Middle East because they have to desalinate water every time to use it (mind you, it’s a very expensive process). Although if we get this sewerage-used-for-gardening thing we will benefit a lot from it… I still highly doubt that we have this in Karachi, or even if we do - I doubt they work :p.
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But I have seen these plants here. They may be not as sophisticated as the ones in the gulf but still they are making plant feed and water (still full of pathogens) for watering in parks and road-side plants here in Karachi.
What about using mosques' wuzoo water? This water can be very effectively used for nearby parks. The only contamination its contains is human spit!
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A relevant news article for you Retro!
KARACHI: Marine eco-system hit by raw sewage
By Bhagwandas
KARACHI, April 24: Out of over 400MGDs of raw sewage generated by the city, 315 million gallons daily (MGDs) is released into the Arabian Sea without treatment, polluting marine environment and causing considerable damage to naval installations.
The remaining 85MGDs of raw sewage is partially treated, without removing deadly industrial waste before being released into the sea.
The financial loss sustained by the Pakistan Navy on account of marine pollution is around Rs60 billion a year — a fact disclosed by former defence secretary Tariq Waseem Ghazi and Commander Pakistan Navy Rear Admiral Mehmood Ahmad Khan at a recent meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Defence.
The Karachi Water and Sewerage Board is entrusted with the task of treating the city’s domestic and municipal sewage before releasing it into the sea. But, sources said, the three treatment plants run by the KWSB remained under-utilised. They added that even if the fourth KWSB treatment plant — currently at the planning stage – became operational, the department would not be able to treat the city’s 400MGDs raw sewage.
The sources said that while the bulk of the city’s sewage was generated by households, more dangerous industrial effluents found their way into the municipal sewerage system, various storm-water drains and the Malir and Lyari rivers meandering through the city.
Karachi is home to one of the largest industrial centres in the country containing garment factories, textile mills, tanneries, pharmaceutical companies, chemical plants, refineries, petrochemical units and pesticide formulators – all generating hazardous industrial effluents.
The sources said most industrial units did not have in-house secondary treatment facilities. A top official of the Sindh Environmental Protection Agency, who requested not to be named, said that under relevant laws all the industrial units were legally bound to install in-house treatment plants, treat their effluents and bring them within the NEQS (National Environment Quality Standards) levels before their release. He conceded that most industrial units did not have such facilities.
He said Sepa was short-staffed, adding that even existing staff were not technically trained to keep a check on industrial units.
The sources said that while the total installed treatment capacity of the three KWSB treatment plants was 156MGDs, they were treating just around 85 MGDs. The treatment plants are located in SITE, Mahmoodabad and Mauripur.
“While the KWSB planners increased the treatment capacity of the two plants — known as TP-I and TP-II in official parlance — they did not ensure that the required amount of sewage found its way to the treatment plants. As a result, the plants remain only 60 per cent utilised,” the sources explained.
The water and training chief engineer of the KWSB, Asudomal, said another 100 MGD treatment plant was being planned at the Korangi creek. He said efforts were being made to fully utilize all the three treatment plants so that the bulk of sewage being generated by the city could be treated before being released into the sea. He added that measures were being taken to bring more sewage to the treatment plants.
The sources said porous KWSB pipelines also caused the contamination of drinking water. They said most water and sewage pipelines, laid close to one another a long time back, had fallen into disrepair. Seismic activity in the region – not felt by humans — also caused underground pipelines to develop leaks.
“Quite often the water pipes remain empty and develop negative pressure that enables them to suck in sewage flowing in a neighbouring leaking pipeline. And when the water supply is resumed, the sewage-infested water finds its way to households,” they said.
Pakistan Medical Association Secretary Dr Qaiser Sajjad said contamination of drinking water was a serious problem that affected millions of people. He added that over 1.2 million people, including over 250,000 children below the age of five, died of water-borne diseases in the country every year.
Re: Energy from Dung in Karachi?!
Yes, I already read it (was just about to post it here :p). Yes, we can’t even treat sewerage water to simply dump it out into the sea, and you’re talking about watering plantations with that; sewerage water should be treated anyway before it is sent out for watering plantations. About the wudu water in mosques, it is the same as tap water that comes at our homes! It eventually ends up in the same reservoirs where tap and toilet water goes, and is considered sewerage… then all of them are treated altogether - well, not in our “maadran” Karachi 
, but that’s what’s supposed to happen.
I should once again remind you that it is not as easy as it sounds to filtrate contaminants from sewerage water and then transfer it to plantations. Transferring the water to plantations without getting it re-contaminated is itself a big deal; it requires piping all the way from the reservoirs to the plantations - pretty much in the same manner as you would do for a house, but in this case it is more spread out and complex.
Anyone think we got a bit off-topic here :); anyway, I enjoyed that useful discussion with Mostar95.